Question for Lefties -- What Countries Would You like to live in that were not politically dominated by White Men roughly 200 years to 50 years ago?

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In light of Lefties constant demonizing of white men, it is a useful exercise to look at what they have created and done to counterbalance some of the horrible things done by white men. (which of course, were also done by others) If White Men created the most advanced societies, it is only natural that they would tend to be successful in that which they created.

To counterbalance, Hitler and slavery, we have modern science, modern economies, the green revolution, and modern medicine. Specific creations of white men, include the steam engine, calculus, computers, the light bulb, electrical motors, air conditioning, railroads, the internal combustion engine, the telephone, the airplane and much more I could list.

So go at it Lefties, name a country that wasn't historically dominated by white men in the time frame above that you consider to be advanced today and that you would like to live in. Demonstrate what a horrible influence white men have been on the world compared to other races and societies. Let's have a comparison of the ledger.
 

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What is the purpose of this exercise? Are you arguing that white men are superior to non whites?
And in addition to Hitler, there is Stalin, he killed a lot of people too.
So two out of the three biggest murderers in history were white men, the other was Genghis Kahn.
Debating over which civilization is "better" is a worthless exercise, it's like arguing who is stronger, Superman or Mighty Mouse.
It is far more important to look for ways to improve our society and to learn from the mistakes of history and not ignore them.
We are far from perfect, we have plenty of room to grow.
 

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In light of Lefties constant demonizing of white men, it is a useful exercise to look at what they have created and done to counterbalance some of the horrible things done by white men. (which of course, were also done by others) If White Men created the most advanced societies, it is only natural that they would tend to be successful in that which they created.

To counterbalance, Hitler and slavery, we have modern science, modern economies, the green revolution, and modern medicine. Specific creations of white men, include the steam engine, calculus, computers, the light bulb, electrical motors, air conditioning, railroads, the internal combustion engine, the telephone, the airplane and much more I could list.

So go at it Lefties, name a country that wasn't historically dominated by white men in the time frame above that you consider to be advanced today and that you would like to live in. Demonstrate what a horrible influence white men have been on the world compared to other races and societies. Let's have a comparison of the ledger.
The European countries leftists always point to as better than the U.S., are far whiter than the U.S. They can’t help themselves.
 

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What is the purpose of this exercise? Are you arguing that white men are superior to non whites?
And in addition to Hitler, there is Stalin, he killed a lot of people too.
So two out of the three biggest murderers in history were white men, the other was Genghis Kahn.
Debating over which civilization is "better" is a worthless exercise, it's like arguing who is stronger, Superman or Mighty Mouse.
It is far more important to look for ways to improve our society and to learn from the mistakes of history and not ignore them.
We are far from perfect, we have plenty of room to grow.
The point is to stop the demonization of white men and Western culture. The United States has been more open to other cultures than any other major country that I am aware of. It cannot achieve perfection but it can improve.

The success of the United States in the past should not be demonized, but it should be celebrated. In the meantime, other people and races who desire to partake in western culture should be welcomed with open arms.

Among mass murderers, you did forget Mao
 

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What is the purpose of this exercise? Are you arguing that white men are superior to non whites?
And in addition to Hitler, there is Stalin, he killed a lot of people too.
So two out of the three biggest murderers in history were white men, the other was Genghis Kahn.
Debating over which civilization is "better" is a worthless exercise, it's like arguing who is stronger, Superman or Mighty Mouse.
It is far more important to look for ways to improve our society and to learn from the mistakes of history and not ignore them.
We are far from perfect, we have plenty of room to grow.
We are far from perfect, but that certainly doesn’t stop you leftists from trashing this country like it is the primary source of evil in the world. You people just don’t know when to stop. Instead of finding areas of agreement, you ALWAYS overplay your hand and cause a backlash.
 

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The point is to stop the demonization of white men and Western culture. The United States has been more open to other cultures than any other major country that I am aware of. It cannot achieve perfection but it can improve.

The success of the United States in the past should not be demonized, but it should be celebrated. In the meantime, other people and races who desire to partake in western culture should be welcomed with open arms.

Among mass murderers, you did forget Mao
Pol Pot wasn't exactly Mother Theresa.
 

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The point is to stop the demonization of white men and Western culture. The United States has been more open to other cultures than any other major country that I am aware of. It cannot achieve perfection but it can improve.

The success of the United States in the past should not be demonized, but it should be celebrated. In the meantime, other people and races who desire to partake in western culture should be welcomed with open arms.

Among mass murderers, you did forget Mao
America’s successes are celebrated, quite a bit actually but it’s mistakes should be studied too.
Some people overreact, it happens in every situation and I think part of the reason is, for a long time, the history taught in schools was whitewashed. And this whitewashing even occurred in high levels of academia.
For example, a respected historian and biographer of Jefferson hid one of his letters where he talked about whipping his slaves, so no one knew about its existence for decades.
But this historian was so concerned about Jefferson’s legacy he hid the truth from the world.
At least he didn’t destroy the letter, being a historian he probably didn’t have the heart to.
I think a lot of people don’t like it when people dredge up the mistakes and flaws of famous historical figures because they have an emotional attachment to them and don’t want to see their reputations tarnished.

And this whole “partake in western culture,” people are free to practice any culture or speak any language they want in this country, as long as they don’t break the law of course.
And I will give you Mao.
So that’s two europeans and two Asians on the list of top mass murderers.
 

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America’s successes are celebrated, quite a bit actually but it’s mistakes should be studied too.
Some people overreact, it happens in every situation and I think part of the reason is, for a long time, the history taught in schools was whitewashed. And this whitewashing even occurred in high levels of academia.
For example, a respected historian and biographer of Jefferson hid one of his letters where he talked about whipping his slaves, so no one knew about its existence for decades.
But this historian was so concerned about Jefferson’s legacy he hid the truth from the world.
At least he didn’t destroy the letter, being a historian he probably didn’t have the heart to.
I think a lot of people don’t like it when people dredge up the mistakes and flaws of famous historical figures because they have an emotional attachment to them and don’t want to see their reputations tarnished.

And this whole “partake in western culture,” people are free to practice any culture or speak any language they want in this country, as long as they don’t break the law of course.
And I will give you Mao.
So that’s two europeans and two Asians on the list of top mass murderers.
Still an idiot I see.
 

bourbon n blues

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In light of Lefties constant demonizing of white men, it is a useful exercise to look at what they have created and done to counterbalance some of the horrible things done by white men. (which of course, were also done by others) If White Men created the most advanced societies, it is only natural that they would tend to be successful in that which they created.

To counterbalance, Hitler and slavery, we have modern science, modern economies, the green revolution, and modern medicine. Specific creations of white men, include the steam engine, calculus, computers, the light bulb, electrical motors, air conditioning, railroads, the internal combustion engine, the telephone, the airplane and much more I could list.

So go at it Lefties, name a country that wasn't historically dominated by white men in the time frame above that you consider to be advanced today and that you would like to live in. Demonstrate what a horrible influence white men have been on the world compared to other races and societies. Let's have a comparison of the ledger.
Years ago a friend wrote, " I will never feel sorry that my ancestors were better killers than yours". He's right, if you dig into history everyone has a background of violence and oppression.
Our founding fathers had the brilliance to put forth a system which maximizes the protections for the individual. This has done a better job for improving our lives compared to every other country on the planet. We have individual freedom and combined with personal responsibility, we have the best chance in the free world to succeed.
Everyone did wrong, we did more for all individuals than everyone else.
Jeff is a moron.
 

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What is the purpose of this exercise? Are you arguing that white men are superior to non whites?
And in addition to Hitler, there is Stalin, he killed a lot of people too.
So two out of the three biggest murderers in history were white men, the other was Genghis Kahn.
Debating over which civilization is "better" is a worthless exercise, it's like arguing who is stronger, Superman or Mighty Mouse.
It is far more important to look for ways to improve our society and to learn from the mistakes of history and not ignore them.
We are far from perfect, we have plenty of room to grow.
Jeff, shockingly, some civilizations are better than others.
 

bourbon n blues

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Didn't realize that Sowell had essentially asked the same question before.
Of course he did, this is not a new question. My snarky , ancestors were better killers is a blunt and to the point assessment. We all did it. But we were the best at building peace and respecting the individual.
Show me an African country knocking it out of the park in regards to human rights? A Muslim country? Now compare them to western civilization.
We know the answers already .
 

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Board lefties might do well to watch an interview with Barack Obama's own half brother, George Obama. He talks about the benefits in his own experience from European colonial administration of his region of the world and the problems that have arisen when it was abruptly ended.

 

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America’s successes are celebrated, quite a bit actually but it’s mistakes should be studied too.
Some people overreact, it happens in every situation and I think part of the reason is, for a long time, the history taught in schools was whitewashed. And this whitewashing even occurred in high levels of academia.
For example, a respected historian and biographer of Jefferson hid one of his letters where he talked about whipping his slaves, so no one knew about its existence for decades.
But this historian was so concerned about Jefferson’s legacy he hid the truth from the world.
At least he didn’t destroy the letter, being a historian he probably didn’t have the heart to.
I think a lot of people don’t like it when people dredge up the mistakes and flaws of famous historical figures because they have an emotional attachment to them and don’t want to see their reputations tarnished.

And this whole “partake in western culture,” people are free to practice any culture or speak any language they want in this country, as long as they don’t break the law of course.
And I will give you Mao.
So that’s two europeans and two Asians on the list of top mass murderers.
You might be surprised to know that I was taught slavery was bad. I was taught about the underground railroad, Harriet Tubman, Rosa Parks, and Martin Luther King. I was learned all of that without anybody telling me I was an oppressor.
 

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Jeff, shockingly, some civilizations are better than others.
What purpose does it serve to proclaim your civilization better than another?
So you can walk around strutting like a peacock pretending to be better than other people?
Why worry about such comparisons, are you considering become an Aztec?
 
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Yeah, remember you're talking to Jeff. I somehow learned the same .
Did they teach you that slave masters often raped slave girls.
That Jefferson had a highly inappropriate sexual relationship with a 15 year old slave girl?
Did they teach you that young teenage slave girls fetched the highest prices at slave auctions.
Did they teach you that Jefferson forced children to work in his nail factory and had them brutally whipped when they didn't produce enough?
Or did they teach you BS on how the founders tested their slaves humanely?
 
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Did they teach you that slave masters often raped slave girls.
That Jefferson had a highly inappropriate sexual relationship with a 15 year old slave girl?
Did they teach you that young teenage slave girls fetched the highest prices at slave auctions.
Did they teach you that Jefferson forced children to work in his nail factory and had them brutally whipped when they didn't produce enough?
Or did they teach you BS on how the founders tested their slaves humanely?
Moron.
 

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Did they teach you that slave masters often raped slave girls.
That Jefferson had a highly inappropriate sexual relationship with a 15 year old slave girl?
Did they teach you that young teenage slave girls fetched the highest prices at slave auctions.
Did they teach you that Jefferson forced children to work in his nail factory and had them brutally whipped when they didn't produce enough?
Or did they teach you BS on how the founders tested their slaves humanely?
Show me another country that did better? Show me a Muslim country they treated people then ? And now. Let's do Africa then too while we're at it.
 
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Back to that lie. Oh well, you could have called me a racist.
They don't grasp while people did things then that are considered wrong they still have us a frame work of government that works for all individuals.
Their outrage is short sighted and idiotic .
 
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What purpose does it serve to proclaim your civilization better than another?
So you can walk around strutting like a peacock pretending to be better than other people?
Why worry about such comparisons, are you considering become an Aztec?
Because it works better. Our civilization is better than the Muslim culture and Asian culture . How we do things as a culture is superior to others that came before us.
 

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What purpose does it serve to proclaim your civilization better than another?
So you can walk around strutting like a peacock pretending to be better than other people?
Why worry about such comparisons, are you considering become an Aztec?
1. You are foolish if you think one civilization is the same as, just as good as another

2. It's important to see elements of civilizations that work, and those actions that lead to tyranny

3. for example, when we see people who have come here from Communist countries, talk about the differences in personal freedom, and warn against moves toward socialism, that should be taken seriously.

4. I'm not sure why you have such guilt and self-hatred, Jeff. It's a shame. Other than making you feel bad, it hampers your ability to think rationally.
 

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America’s successes are celebrated, quite a bit actually but it’s mistakes should be studied too.
Some people overreact, it happens in every situation and I think part of the reason is, for a long time, the history taught in schools was whitewashed. And this whitewashing even occurred in high levels of academia.
For example, a respected historian and biographer of Jefferson hid one of his letters where he talked about whipping his slaves, so no one knew about its existence for decades.
But this historian was so concerned about Jefferson’s legacy he hid the truth from the world.
At least he didn’t destroy the letter, being a historian he probably didn’t have the heart to.
I think a lot of people don’t like it when people dredge up the mistakes and flaws of famous historical figures because they have an emotional attachment to them and don’t want to see their reputations tarnished.

And this whole “partake in western culture,” people are free to practice any culture or speak any language they want in this country, as long as they don’t break the law of course.
And I will give you Mao.
So that’s two europeans and two Asians on the list of top mass murderers.
Three Asians, Mao, Pol Pot and Kahn
 
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Better questions for liberal dems like Royal Tits, LaffBear and NJPSU are as follows...

1) what country would you move to right now since the "US is dominated by white men"
2) Why TF aren't you already on your way?

For real.

Thank you.
 

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In light of Lefties constant demonizing of white men, it is a useful exercise to look at what they have created and done to counterbalance some of the horrible things done by white men. (which of course, were also done by others) If White Men created the most advanced societies, it is only natural that they would tend to be successful in that which they created.

To counterbalance, Hitler and slavery, we have modern science, modern economies, the green revolution, and modern medicine. Specific creations of white men, include the steam engine, calculus, computers, the light bulb, electrical motors, air conditioning, railroads, the internal combustion engine, the telephone, the airplane and much more I could list.

So go at it Lefties, name a country that wasn't historically dominated by white men in the time frame above that you consider to be advanced today and that you would like to live in. Demonstrate what a horrible influence white men have been on the world compared to other races and societies. Let's have a comparison of the ledger.
I would live in Kenya or India. What your post fails to discuss is the impact of colonialism. Morocco is great. How do you classify Malta? Israel.
 

bourbon n blues

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Better questions for liberal dems like Royal Tits, LaffBear and NJPSU are as follows...

1) what country would you move to right now since the "US is dominated by white men"
2) Why TF aren't you already on your way?

For real.

Thank you.
India has a caste system , kind of a shit hole overall and pretty rapey from my understanding.
Kenya is an African shit hole known for some serious human rights violations.

 

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Show me another country that did better? Show me a Muslim country they treated people then ? And now. Let's do Africa then too while we're at it.
What's that have to do with anything. Just because people
1. You are foolish if you think one civilization is the same as, just as good as another

2. It's important to see elements of civilizations that work, and those actions that lead to tyranny

3. for example, when we see people who have come here from Communist countries, talk about the differences in personal freedom, and warn against moves toward socialism, that should be taken seriously.

4. I'm not sure why you have such guilt and self-hatred, Jeff. It's a shame. Other than making you feel bad, it hampers your ability to think rationally.
Never said all civilizations are created equal but I don't think it is useful to proclaim our civilization as the "best."
Every culture has its strengths and weaknesses, and one can always learn from other cultures.
But to flatly proclaim we are the best serves no purpose other than egoism.
And I don't have any self hatred, I don't hate anyone.
 

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India has a caste system , kind of a shit hole overall and pretty rapey from my understanding.
Kenya is an African shit hole known for some serious human rights violations.

I spent time in both and like them. I guess the question might be would you move to the south side of Chicago? East St. Louis? Granted I am in five star communities when I am in those countries.
 

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I spent time in both and like them. I guess the question might be would you move to the south side of Chicago? East St. Louis? Granted I am in five star communities when I am in those countries.
It seems you're missing your own point. Our system has worked better for the majority . It's way to find a place if you have money.
The common man is much better off here than Kenya or India .
 
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It seems you're missing your own point. Our system has worked better for the majority . It's way to find a place if you have money.
The common man is much better off here than Kenya or India .
I am having my Friday bourbon so you are probably correct. I didn’t really think that deep about it.