If A Top Pathologist In Europe Found That In 15 Autopsies of people who died after being vaccinated 14 were killed by the vaccine would you care?

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You should b/c he did.

Link to study (see excerpts quoted below):
https://doctors4covidethics.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/end-covax.pdf (On COVID vaccines: why they cannot work, and irrefutable evidence of their causative role in deaths after vaccination)

Link to video of Dr. Bhakdi summarizing the autopsy results:

"This text is a written summary of Dr. Bhakdi’s and Dr. Burkhardt’s presentations at the Doctors for COVID Ethics symposium that was live-streamed by UKColumn on December 10th, 2021. The two presentations can be viewed at the very beginning of the video recording of the symposium:

The authors
Dr. Bhakdi has spent his life practicing, teaching and researching medical microbiology and infectious diseases. He chaired the Institute of Medical Microbiology and Hygiene at the Johannes Gutenberg Unversity of Mainz, Germany, from 1990 until his retirement in 2012. He has published over 300 research articles in the fields of immunology, bacteriology, virology and parasitology, and served from 1990 to 2012 as Editor-in-Chief of Medical Microbiology and Immunology, one of the first scientific journals of this field that was founded by Robert Koch in 1887.

Dr. Arne Burkhardt is a pathologist who has taught at the Universities of Hamburg, Berne and Tübingen. He was invited for visiting professorships/study visits in Japan (Nihon University), the United States (Brookhaven National Institute), Korea, Sweden, Malaysia and Turkey. He headed the Institute of Pathology in Reutlingen for 18 years. Subsquently, he worked as an independent practicing pathologist with consulting contracts with laboratories in the US. Burkhardt has published more than 150 scientific articles in German and international scientific journals as well as contributions to handbooks in German, English and Japanese. Over many years he has audited and certified institutes of pathology in Germany.

The evidence
We herewith present scientific evidence that calls for an immediate stop of the use of gene-based COVID-19 vaccines. We first lay out why the agents cannot protect against viral infection. While no positive effects can be expected, we show that the vaccines can trigger self-destructive processes that lead to debilitating illness and death.
...
The vaccines can trigger self-destruction
A natural infection with SARS-CoV-2 (coronavirus) will in most individuals remain localized to the respiratory tract. In contrast, the vaccines cause cells deep inside our body to express the viral spike protein, which they were never meant to do by nature. Any cell which expresses this foreign antigen will come under attack by the immune system, which will involve both IgG antibodies and cytotoxic Tlymphocytes. This may occur in any organ. We are seeing now that the heart is affected in many young people, leading to myocarditis or even sudden cardiac arrest and death. How and why such tragedies might causally be linked to vaccination has remained a matter of conjecture because scientific evidence has been lacking. This situation has now been rectified.

Histopathologic studies: the patients
Histopathologic analyses have been performed on the organs of 15 persons who died after vaccination. The age, gender, vaccination record, and time of death after injection of each patient are listed in the table on the next page. The following points are of utmost importance: 
  • Prior to death, only 4 of the 15 patients had been treated in the ICU for more than 2 days. The majority were never hospitalized and died at home (5), on the street (1), at work (1), in the car (1), or in home-care facilities (1). Therefore, in most cases, therapeutic intervention is unlikely to have significantly influenced the post-mortem findings. 
  • Not a single death was brought into any possible association with the vaccination by the coroner or the public prosecutor; this association was only established by our autopsy findings. 
  • The initially performed conventional post-mortems also uncovered no obvious hints to a possible role of vaccination, since the macroscopic appearance of the organs was overall unremarkable. In most cases, “rhythmogenic heart failure” was postulated as the cause of death.
But our subsequent histopathological analyses then brought about a complete turnaround. A summary of the fundamental findings follows.
..
Histopathologic studies: findings
Histopathologic findings of a similar nature were detected in organs of 14 of the 15 deceased. Most frequently afflicted were the heart (14 of 15 cases) and the lung (13 of 15 cases). Pathologic alterations were furthermore observed in the liver (2 cases), thyroid gland (Hashimoto’s thyroiditis, 2 cases), salivary glands (Sjögren`s Syndrome; 2 cases) and brain (2 cases).

A number of salient aspects dominated in all affected tissues of all cases:

1. inflammatory events in small blood vessels (endothelitis), characterized by an abundance of Tlymphocytes and sequestered, dead endothelial cells within the vessel lumen;
2. the extensive perivascular accumulation of T-lymphocytes;
3. a massive lymphocytic infiltration of surrounding non-lymphatic organs or tissue with Tlymphocytes. Lymphocytic infiltration occasionally occurred in combination with intense lymphocytic activation and follicle formation. Where these were present, they were usually accompanied by tissue destruction. This combination of multifocal, T-lymphocyte-dominated pathology that clearly reflects the process of immunological self-attack is without precedent. Because vaccination was the single common denominator between all cases, there can be no doubt that it was the trigger of self-destruction in these deceased individuals.

Conclusion
Histopathologic analysis show clear evidence of vaccine-induced autoimmune-like pathology in multiple organs. That myriad adverse events deriving from such auto-attack processes must be expected to very frequently occur in all individuals, particularly following booster injections, is self evident. Beyond any doubt, injection of gene-based COVID-19 vaccines places lives under threat of illness and death. We note that both mRNA and vector-based vaccines are represented among these cases, as are all four major manufacturers."
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On a separate note a study (where one of the authors is from MIT) found the covid19 vaccines suppress your innate immune system (our first line of defense)...how nice!

https://www.researchgate.net/public...role_of_G-quadruplexes_exosomes_and_microRNAs (Innate Immune Suppression by SARS-CoV-2 mRNA Vaccinations: The role of G-quadruplexes, exosomes and microRNAs)

"...both experimental and observational evidence reveals a very different immune response to the vaccines compared to the response to infection with SARS-CoV-2. As we will show, the genetic modifications introduced by the vaccine are likely the source of these differential responses. In this paper, we present the evidence that vaccination, unlike natural infection, induces a profound impairment in type I interferon signaling, which has diverse adverse consequences to human health. We explain the mechanism by which immune cells release into the circulation large quantities of exosomes containing spike protein along with critical microRNAs that induce a signaling response in recipient cells at distant sites. We also identify potential profound disturbances in regulatory control of protein synthesis and cancer surveillance. These disturbances are shown to have a potentially direct causal link to neurodegenerative disease, myocarditis, immune thrombocytopenia, Bell’s palsy, liver disease, impaired adaptive immunity, increased tumorigenesis, and DNA damage. We show evidence from adverse event reports in the VAERS database supporting our hypothesis. We believe a comprehensive risk/benefit assessment of the mRNA vaccines excludes them as positive contributors to public health, even in the context of the Covid-19 pandemic."
 
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How can you post something that says

“Vaccines: why they cannot work”

When, regardless of any theory, they DO work.
 

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You should b/c he did.

Link to study (see excerpts quoted below):
https://doctors4covidethics.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/end-covax.pdf (On COVID vaccines: why they cannot work, and irrefutable evidence of their causative role in deaths after vaccination)

Link to video of Dr. Bhakdi summarizing the autopsy results:


"This text is a written summary of Dr. Bhakdi’s and Dr. Burkhardt’s presentations at the Doctors for COVID Ethics symposium that was live-streamed by UKColumn on December 10th, 2021. The two presentations can be viewed at the very beginning of the video recording of the symposium:

The authors
Dr. Bhakdi has spent his life practicing, teaching and researching medical microbiology and infectious diseases. He chaired the Institute of Medical Microbiology and Hygiene at the Johannes Gutenberg Unversity of Mainz, Germany, from 1990 until his retirement in 2012. He has published over 300 research articles in the fields of immunology, bacteriology, virology and parasitology, and served from 1990 to 2012 as Editor-in-Chief of Medical Microbiology and Immunology, one of the first scientific journals of this field that was founded by Robert Koch in 1887.

Dr. Arne Burkhardt is a pathologist who has taught at the Universities of Hamburg, Berne and Tübingen. He was invited for visiting professorships/study visits in Japan (Nihon University), the United States (Brookhaven National Institute), Korea, Sweden, Malaysia and Turkey. He headed the Institute of Pathology in Reutlingen for 18 years. Subsquently, he worked as an independent practicing pathologist with consulting contracts with laboratories in the US. Burkhardt has published more than 150 scientific articles in German and international scientific journals as well as contributions to handbooks in German, English and Japanese. Over many years he has audited and certified institutes of pathology in Germany.

The evidence
We herewith present scientific evidence that calls for an immediate stop of the use of gene-based COVID-19 vaccines. We first lay out why the agents cannot protect against viral infection. While no positive effects can be expected, we show that the vaccines can trigger self-destructive processes that lead to debilitating illness and death.
...
The vaccines can trigger self-destruction
A natural infection with SARS-CoV-2 (coronavirus) will in most individuals remain localized to the respiratory tract. In contrast, the vaccines cause cells deep inside our body to express the viral spike protein, which they were never meant to do by nature. Any cell which expresses this foreign antigen will come under attack by the immune system, which will involve both IgG antibodies and cytotoxic Tlymphocytes. This may occur in any organ. We are seeing now that the heart is affected in many young people, leading to myocarditis or even sudden cardiac arrest and death. How and why such tragedies might causally be linked to vaccination has remained a matter of conjecture because scientific evidence has been lacking. This situation has now been rectified.

Histopathologic studies: the patients
Histopathologic analyses have been performed on the organs of 15 persons who died after vaccination. The age, gender, vaccination record, and time of death after injection of each patient are listed in the table on the next page. The following points are of utmost importance: 
  • Prior to death, only 4 of the 15 patients had been treated in the ICU for more than 2 days. The majority were never hospitalized and died at home (5), on the street (1), at work (1), in the car (1), or in home-care facilities (1). Therefore, in most cases, therapeutic intervention is unlikely to have significantly influenced the post-mortem findings. 
  • Not a single death was brought into any possible association with the vaccination by the coroner or the public prosecutor; this association was only established by our autopsy findings. 
  • The initially performed conventional post-mortems also uncovered no obvious hints to a possible role of vaccination, since the macroscopic appearance of the organs was overall unremarkable. In most cases, “rhythmogenic heart failure” was postulated as the cause of death.
But our subsequent histopathological analyses then brought about a complete turnaround. A summary of the fundamental findings follows.
..
Histopathologic studies: findings
Histopathologic findings of a similar nature were detected in organs of 14 of the 15 deceased. Most frequently afflicted were the heart (14 of 15 cases) and the lung (13 of 15 cases). Pathologic alterations were furthermore observed in the liver (2 cases), thyroid gland (Hashimoto’s thyroiditis, 2 cases), salivary glands (Sjögren`s Syndrome; 2 cases) and brain (2 cases).

A number of salient aspects dominated in all affected tissues of all cases:

1. inflammatory events in small blood vessels (endothelitis), characterized by an abundance of Tlymphocytes and sequestered, dead endothelial cells within the vessel lumen;
2. the extensive perivascular accumulation of T-lymphocytes;
3. a massive lymphocytic infiltration of surrounding non-lymphatic organs or tissue with Tlymphocytes. Lymphocytic infiltration occasionally occurred in combination with intense lymphocytic activation and follicle formation. Where these were present, they were usually accompanied by tissue destruction. This combination of multifocal, T-lymphocyte-dominated pathology that clearly reflects the process of immunological self-attack is without precedent. Because vaccination was the single common denominator between all cases, there can be no doubt that it was the trigger of self-destruction in these deceased individuals.

Conclusion
Histopathologic analysis show clear evidence of vaccine-induced autoimmune-like pathology in multiple organs. That myriad adverse events deriving from such auto-attack processes must be expected to very frequently occur in all individuals, particularly following booster injections, is self evident. Beyond any doubt, injection of gene-based COVID-19 vaccines places lives under threat of illness and death. We note that both mRNA and vector-based vaccines are represented among these cases, as are all four major manufacturers."

Don't care much.

14 people out of 400MM people would die if breathed on improperly.

LdN
 

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How can you post something that says

“Vaccines: why they cannot work”

When, regardless of any theory, they DO work.
Are you for real? Not all diseases and vaccines are the same. They are talking specifically about the mRNA vaccines for covid19. An airborne virus interacts with your body differently than a bloodborne one, etc. These types of vaccines don't work well for this type of disease. The paper explains why if you bothered to read it (note the bolded part):

"Why the vaccines cannot protect against infection
A fundamental mistake underlying the development of the COVID-19 vaccines was to neglect the functional distinction between the two major categories of antibodies which the body produces in order to protect itself from pathogenic microbes. The first category (secretory IgA) is produced by immune cells (lymphocytes) which are located directly underneath the mucous membranes that line the respiratory and intestinal tract. The antibodies produced by these lymphocytes are secreted through and to the surface of the mucous membranes.

These antibodies are thus on site to meet air-borne viruses, and they may be able to prevent viral binding and infection of the cells.

The second category of antibodies (IgG and circulating IgA) occur in the bloodstream. These antibodies protect the internal organs of the body from infectious agents that try to spread via the bloodstream.

Vaccines that are injected into the muscle – i.e., the interior of the body – will only induce IgG and circulating IgA, not secretory IgA. Such antibodies cannot and will not effectively protect the mucous membranes from infection by SARS-CoV-2. Thus, the currently observed “breakthrough infections” among vaccinated individuals merely confirm the fundamental design flaws of the vaccines. Measurements of antibodies in the blood can never yield any information on the true status of immunity against infection of the respiratory tract.

The inability of vaccine-induced antibodies to prevent coronavirus infections has been reported in recent scientific publications..."
 

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Don't care much.

14 people out of 400MM people would die if breathed on improperly.

LdN
Umm...if we did full autopsies on all the people who died after getting vaccinated there would be well more than 14.

If you actually understood stats you'd know that 14/15 is a statistically significant number.

He actually did another few dozen other autopsies after the initial 15 and found the same rate of causality.

This is the type of detailed investigation/autopsy work the CDC and our health agencies should be doing re: deaths listed in the VAERS system but they aren't...hmmm I wonder why not?
 

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Don't care much.

14 people out of 400MM people would die if breathed on improperly.

LdN
No, I don’t think that’s the right conclusion.

I do think the vaccine does kill some people. When you think about it, OF COURSE IT DOES. We are inducing the immune system to respond to an invader.

Some people will not be able to handle that and will die.

But nowhere near the number that are then saved from Covid.
 
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Umm...if we did full autopsies on all the people who died after getting vaccinated there would be well more than 14.

If you actually understood stats you'd know that 14/15 is a statistically significant number.

He actually did another few dozen other autopsies after the initial 15 and found the same rate of causality.

This is the type of detailed investigation/autopsy work the CDC and our health agencies should be doing re: deaths listed in the VAERS system but they aren't...hmmm I wonder why not?

Yes. Probably close to 20.
 

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No, I don’t think that’s the right conclusion.

I do think the vaccine does kill some people. When you think about it, OF COURSE IT DOES. We are inducing the immune system to respond to an invader.

Some people will not be able to handle that and will die.

But nowhere near the number that are then saved from Covid.
The data shows more all cause deaths in the US, UK, EU, etc. in 2021 when these novel shots showed up. Data from the trials shows more all cause severe events/illness in the vaccinated group compared to placebo. Who cares if a few covid cases/hospitalizations/deaths are prevented if the shots create more all cause illness/death?

Something caused a MASSIVE increase in all cause deaths in younger working aged people in 2021 (the majority of whom were forced to get the jabs). The lockdowns and overdoses come no where near close to explaining the increase. If you recall the one insurance company in Indiana found a 40% increase in 18-60 yr old deaths in 2021 compared to pre-pandemic numbers. There's also a huge increase in safety signals seen in the DoD DMED system as well as VAERS, CMS, Vigi Access (WHO), and other surveillance systems.


 

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Are you for real? Not all diseases and vaccines are the same. They are talking specifically about the mRNA vaccines for covid19. An airborne virus interacts with your body differently than a bloodborne one, etc. These types of vaccines don't work well for this type of disease. The paper explains why if you bothered to read it (note the bolded part):

"Why the vaccines cannot protect against infection
A fundamental mistake underlying the development of the COVID-19 vaccines was to neglect the functional distinction between the two major categories of antibodies which the body produces in order to protect itself from pathogenic microbes. The first category (secretory IgA) is produced by immune cells (lymphocytes) which are located directly underneath the mucous membranes that line the respiratory and intestinal tract. The antibodies produced by these lymphocytes are secreted through and to the surface of the mucous membranes.

These antibodies are thus on site to meet air-borne viruses, and they may be able to prevent viral binding and infection of the cells.

The second category of antibodies (IgG and circulating IgA) occur in the bloodstream. These antibodies protect the internal organs of the body from infectious agents that try to spread via the bloodstream.

Vaccines that are injected into the muscle – i.e., the interior of the body – will only induce IgG and circulating IgA, not secretory IgA. Such antibodies cannot and will not effectively protect the mucous membranes from infection by SARS-CoV-2. Thus, the currently observed “breakthrough infections” among vaccinated individuals merely confirm the fundamental design flaws of the vaccines. Measurements of antibodies in the blood can never yield any information on the true status of immunity against infection of the respiratory tract.

The inability of vaccine-induced antibodies to prevent coronavirus infections has been reported in recent scientific publications..."
But THEY do work against infection.

About 60% effective against infection for Delta.

So, no I didn’t read it.

If I asked you to read a paper that showed why I would beat Vladimir Klitschko in a fight, would you read it?
 

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But THEY do work against infection.

About 60% effective against infection for Delta.

So, no I didn’t read it.

If I asked you to read a paper that showed why I would beat Vladimir Klitschko in a fight, would you read it?
Even if they did work against covid infection who cares if at the same time they create more heart attacks, strokes, cancers, autoimmune disorders, neurological disorders, etc.?

What's your data source for the claim that they are 60% effective against infection? Is that relative risk reduction or absolute risk reduction? The CDC's shitty skewed data based on shitty PCR tests and nebulous definitions?

Haah, the analogy re: Klitschko is completely off base. The paper I linked you to isn't some joe schmoe off the street, it was put together by two supremely qualified experts who make a very good point re: a majojr design flaw in these vaccines. What's your rebuttal to their below claim:

Vaccines that are injected into the muscle – i.e., the interior of the body – will only induce IgG and circulating IgA, not secretory IgA. Such antibodies cannot and will not effectively protect the mucous membranes from infection by SARS-CoV-2. Thus, the currently observed “breakthrough infections” among vaccinated individuals merely confirm the fundamental design flaws of the vaccines

No, probably in the thousands.

But still a net positive.
More like hundreds of thousands once we get more long term safety data and look at trends in all cause severe illness/deaths. Insurance data is already showing this. Tip of the iceberg




 
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You should b/c he did.

Link to study (see excerpts quoted below):
https://doctors4covidethics.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/end-covax.pdf (On COVID vaccines: why they cannot work, and irrefutable evidence of their causative role in deaths after vaccination)

Link to video of Dr. Bhakdi summarizing the autopsy results:


"This text is a written summary of Dr. Bhakdi’s and Dr. Burkhardt’s presentations at the Doctors for COVID Ethics symposium that was live-streamed by UKColumn on December 10th, 2021. The two presentations can be viewed at the very beginning of the video recording of the symposium:

The authors
Dr. Bhakdi has spent his life practicing, teaching and researching medical microbiology and infectious diseases. He chaired the Institute of Medical Microbiology and Hygiene at the Johannes Gutenberg Unversity of Mainz, Germany, from 1990 until his retirement in 2012. He has published over 300 research articles in the fields of immunology, bacteriology, virology and parasitology, and served from 1990 to 2012 as Editor-in-Chief of Medical Microbiology and Immunology, one of the first scientific journals of this field that was founded by Robert Koch in 1887.

Dr. Arne Burkhardt is a pathologist who has taught at the Universities of Hamburg, Berne and Tübingen. He was invited for visiting professorships/study visits in Japan (Nihon University), the United States (Brookhaven National Institute), Korea, Sweden, Malaysia and Turkey. He headed the Institute of Pathology in Reutlingen for 18 years. Subsquently, he worked as an independent practicing pathologist with consulting contracts with laboratories in the US. Burkhardt has published more than 150 scientific articles in German and international scientific journals as well as contributions to handbooks in German, English and Japanese. Over many years he has audited and certified institutes of pathology in Germany.

The evidence
We herewith present scientific evidence that calls for an immediate stop of the use of gene-based COVID-19 vaccines. We first lay out why the agents cannot protect against viral infection. While no positive effects can be expected, we show that the vaccines can trigger self-destructive processes that lead to debilitating illness and death.
...
The vaccines can trigger self-destruction
A natural infection with SARS-CoV-2 (coronavirus) will in most individuals remain localized to the respiratory tract. In contrast, the vaccines cause cells deep inside our body to express the viral spike protein, which they were never meant to do by nature. Any cell which expresses this foreign antigen will come under attack by the immune system, which will involve both IgG antibodies and cytotoxic Tlymphocytes. This may occur in any organ. We are seeing now that the heart is affected in many young people, leading to myocarditis or even sudden cardiac arrest and death. How and why such tragedies might causally be linked to vaccination has remained a matter of conjecture because scientific evidence has been lacking. This situation has now been rectified.

Histopathologic studies: the patients
Histopathologic analyses have been performed on the organs of 15 persons who died after vaccination. The age, gender, vaccination record, and time of death after injection of each patient are listed in the table on the next page. The following points are of utmost importance: 
  • Prior to death, only 4 of the 15 patients had been treated in the ICU for more than 2 days. The majority were never hospitalized and died at home (5), on the street (1), at work (1), in the car (1), or in home-care facilities (1). Therefore, in most cases, therapeutic intervention is unlikely to have significantly influenced the post-mortem findings. 
  • Not a single death was brought into any possible association with the vaccination by the coroner or the public prosecutor; this association was only established by our autopsy findings. 
  • The initially performed conventional post-mortems also uncovered no obvious hints to a possible role of vaccination, since the macroscopic appearance of the organs was overall unremarkable. In most cases, “rhythmogenic heart failure” was postulated as the cause of death.
But our subsequent histopathological analyses then brought about a complete turnaround. A summary of the fundamental findings follows.
..
Histopathologic studies: findings
Histopathologic findings of a similar nature were detected in organs of 14 of the 15 deceased. Most frequently afflicted were the heart (14 of 15 cases) and the lung (13 of 15 cases). Pathologic alterations were furthermore observed in the liver (2 cases), thyroid gland (Hashimoto’s thyroiditis, 2 cases), salivary glands (Sjögren`s Syndrome; 2 cases) and brain (2 cases).

A number of salient aspects dominated in all affected tissues of all cases:

1. inflammatory events in small blood vessels (endothelitis), characterized by an abundance of Tlymphocytes and sequestered, dead endothelial cells within the vessel lumen;
2. the extensive perivascular accumulation of T-lymphocytes;
3. a massive lymphocytic infiltration of surrounding non-lymphatic organs or tissue with Tlymphocytes. Lymphocytic infiltration occasionally occurred in combination with intense lymphocytic activation and follicle formation. Where these were present, they were usually accompanied by tissue destruction. This combination of multifocal, T-lymphocyte-dominated pathology that clearly reflects the process of immunological self-attack is without precedent. Because vaccination was the single common denominator between all cases, there can be no doubt that it was the trigger of self-destruction in these deceased individuals.

Conclusion
Histopathologic analysis show clear evidence of vaccine-induced autoimmune-like pathology in multiple organs. That myriad adverse events deriving from such auto-attack processes must be expected to very frequently occur in all individuals, particularly following booster injections, is self evident. Beyond any doubt, injection of gene-based COVID-19 vaccines places lives under threat of illness and death. We note that both mRNA and vector-based vaccines are represented among these cases, as are all four major manufacturers."
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On a separate note a study (where one of the authors is from MIT) found the covid19 vaccines suppress your innate immune system (our first line of defense)...how nice!

https://www.researchgate.net/public...role_of_G-quadruplexes_exosomes_and_microRNAs (Innate Immune Suppression by SARS-CoV-2 mRNA Vaccinations: The role of G-quadruplexes, exosomes and microRNAs)

"...both experimental and observational evidence reveals a very different immune response to the vaccines compared to the response to infection with SARS-CoV-2. As we will show, the genetic modifications introduced by the vaccine are likely the source of these differential responses. In this paper, we present the evidence that vaccination, unlike natural infection, induces a profound impairment in type I interferon signaling, which has diverse adverse consequences to human health. We explain the mechanism by which immune cells release into the circulation large quantities of exosomes containing spike protein along with critical microRNAs that induce a signaling response in recipient cells at distant sites. We also identify potential profound disturbances in regulatory control of protein synthesis and cancer surveillance. These disturbances are shown to have a potentially direct causal link to neurodegenerative disease, myocarditis, immune thrombocytopenia, Bell’s palsy, liver disease, impaired adaptive immunity, increased tumorigenesis, and DNA damage. We show evidence from adverse event reports in the VAERS database supporting our hypothesis. We believe a comprehensive risk/benefit assessment of the mRNA vaccines excludes them as positive contributors to public health, even in the context of the Covid-19 pandemic."
Please put this in context. What percentage of people who have received the vaccine have died? Over 1% of people who contacted Covid have died.
 

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Please put this in context. What percentage of people who have received the vaccine have died? Over 1% of people who contacted Covid have died.

That's the issue. There is a chance of death either way. This is why it absolutely MUST be up to the person with advice from their doctor. For older people I think the shot is a no-brainer.

It is up to governments and research institutions to publish data openly and honestly. Unfortunately, the pandemic became a political tool. They even made the person responsible for enabling gain-of-function research, which had been supposedly banned, to remain in charge of the pandemic's mitigation. Why he is still in his position, when to many people he has no credibility, boggles the mind.

How something as benign as Ivermectin would get blocked from on high is also mind-numbing. There is just no good explanation that doesn't lead right to medicine becoming politicized, hence the loss of public trust.
 

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Please put this in context. What percentage of people who have received the vaccine have died? Over 1% of people who contacted Covid have died.
Your number is way off. The average infection fatality rate for covid is around 0.23%. For people less than 70 it's 0.05%. You might be thinking of the case fatality rate but even that is skewed due to over coding for covid deaths (people that died with covid instead of from covid).


We have no idea what % of people who have received the vaccine have died. We know in the VAERS system there are 20,000+ covid19 vaccine deaths listed but the CDC has refused to examine any of the deaths to see for sure if they were caused by the vaccine (note that 30% of the deaths happen within 2 days so causality can be inferred by temporal association).

In order to figure this out for sure the CDC would have to do sampling similar to how IFR is found. Go out into the public and randomly do autopsies of thousands of people who died after getting the shot then extrapolate that out to the full population.

This study in the OP done by one of the top Pathologists in the EU did just that but with much smaller sample sizes (a few dozen). He found that the vast majority of the deaths were caused by vaccine induced autoimmune attack of vital organs (heart, lungs, etc.).
 

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You should b/c he did.

Link to study (see excerpts quoted below):
https://doctors4covidethics.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/end-covax.pdf (On COVID vaccines: why they cannot work, and irrefutable evidence of their causative role in deaths after vaccination)

Link to video of Dr. Bhakdi summarizing the autopsy results:


"This text is a written summary of Dr. Bhakdi’s and Dr. Burkhardt’s presentations at the Doctors for COVID Ethics symposium that was live-streamed by UKColumn on December 10th, 2021. The two presentations can be viewed at the very beginning of the video recording of the symposium:

The authors
Dr. Bhakdi has spent his life practicing, teaching and researching medical microbiology and infectious diseases. He chaired the Institute of Medical Microbiology and Hygiene at the Johannes Gutenberg Unversity of Mainz, Germany, from 1990 until his retirement in 2012. He has published over 300 research articles in the fields of immunology, bacteriology, virology and parasitology, and served from 1990 to 2012 as Editor-in-Chief of Medical Microbiology and Immunology, one of the first scientific journals of this field that was founded by Robert Koch in 1887.

Dr. Arne Burkhardt is a pathologist who has taught at the Universities of Hamburg, Berne and Tübingen. He was invited for visiting professorships/study visits in Japan (Nihon University), the United States (Brookhaven National Institute), Korea, Sweden, Malaysia and Turkey. He headed the Institute of Pathology in Reutlingen for 18 years. Subsquently, he worked as an independent practicing pathologist with consulting contracts with laboratories in the US. Burkhardt has published more than 150 scientific articles in German and international scientific journals as well as contributions to handbooks in German, English and Japanese. Over many years he has audited and certified institutes of pathology in Germany.

The evidence
We herewith present scientific evidence that calls for an immediate stop of the use of gene-based COVID-19 vaccines. We first lay out why the agents cannot protect against viral infection. While no positive effects can be expected, we show that the vaccines can trigger self-destructive processes that lead to debilitating illness and death.
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The vaccines can trigger self-destruction
A natural infection with SARS-CoV-2 (coronavirus) will in most individuals remain localized to the respiratory tract. In contrast, the vaccines cause cells deep inside our body to express the viral spike protein, which they were never meant to do by nature. Any cell which expresses this foreign antigen will come under attack by the immune system, which will involve both IgG antibodies and cytotoxic Tlymphocytes. This may occur in any organ. We are seeing now that the heart is affected in many young people, leading to myocarditis or even sudden cardiac arrest and death. How and why such tragedies might causally be linked to vaccination has remained a matter of conjecture because scientific evidence has been lacking. This situation has now been rectified.

Histopathologic studies: the patients
Histopathologic analyses have been performed on the organs of 15 persons who died after vaccination. The age, gender, vaccination record, and time of death after injection of each patient are listed in the table on the next page. The following points are of utmost importance: 
  • Prior to death, only 4 of the 15 patients had been treated in the ICU for more than 2 days. The majority were never hospitalized and died at home (5), on the street (1), at work (1), in the car (1), or in home-care facilities (1). Therefore, in most cases, therapeutic intervention is unlikely to have significantly influenced the post-mortem findings. 
  • Not a single death was brought into any possible association with the vaccination by the coroner or the public prosecutor; this association was only established by our autopsy findings. 
  • The initially performed conventional post-mortems also uncovered no obvious hints to a possible role of vaccination, since the macroscopic appearance of the organs was overall unremarkable. In most cases, “rhythmogenic heart failure” was postulated as the cause of death.
But our subsequent histopathological analyses then brought about a complete turnaround. A summary of the fundamental findings follows.
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Histopathologic studies: findings
Histopathologic findings of a similar nature were detected in organs of 14 of the 15 deceased. Most frequently afflicted were the heart (14 of 15 cases) and the lung (13 of 15 cases). Pathologic alterations were furthermore observed in the liver (2 cases), thyroid gland (Hashimoto’s thyroiditis, 2 cases), salivary glands (Sjögren`s Syndrome; 2 cases) and brain (2 cases).

A number of salient aspects dominated in all affected tissues of all cases:

1. inflammatory events in small blood vessels (endothelitis), characterized by an abundance of Tlymphocytes and sequestered, dead endothelial cells within the vessel lumen;
2. the extensive perivascular accumulation of T-lymphocytes;
3. a massive lymphocytic infiltration of surrounding non-lymphatic organs or tissue with Tlymphocytes. Lymphocytic infiltration occasionally occurred in combination with intense lymphocytic activation and follicle formation. Where these were present, they were usually accompanied by tissue destruction. This combination of multifocal, T-lymphocyte-dominated pathology that clearly reflects the process of immunological self-attack is without precedent. Because vaccination was the single common denominator between all cases, there can be no doubt that it was the trigger of self-destruction in these deceased individuals.

Conclusion
Histopathologic analysis show clear evidence of vaccine-induced autoimmune-like pathology in multiple organs. That myriad adverse events deriving from such auto-attack processes must be expected to very frequently occur in all individuals, particularly following booster injections, is self evident. Beyond any doubt, injection of gene-based COVID-19 vaccines places lives under threat of illness and death. We note that both mRNA and vector-based vaccines are represented among these cases, as are all four major manufacturers."
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On a separate note a study (where one of the authors is from MIT) found the covid19 vaccines suppress your innate immune system (our first line of defense)...how nice!

https://www.researchgate.net/public...role_of_G-quadruplexes_exosomes_and_microRNAs (Innate Immune Suppression by SARS-CoV-2 mRNA Vaccinations: The role of G-quadruplexes, exosomes and microRNAs)

"...both experimental and observational evidence reveals a very different immune response to the vaccines compared to the response to infection with SARS-CoV-2. As we will show, the genetic modifications introduced by the vaccine are likely the source of these differential responses. In this paper, we present the evidence that vaccination, unlike natural infection, induces a profound impairment in type I interferon signaling, which has diverse adverse consequences to human health. We explain the mechanism by which immune cells release into the circulation large quantities of exosomes containing spike protein along with critical microRNAs that induce a signaling response in recipient cells at distant sites. We also identify potential profound disturbances in regulatory control of protein synthesis and cancer surveillance. These disturbances are shown to have a potentially direct causal link to neurodegenerative disease, myocarditis, immune thrombocytopenia, Bell’s palsy, liver disease, impaired adaptive immunity, increased tumorigenesis, and DNA damage. We show evidence from adverse event reports in the VAERS database supporting our hypothesis. We believe a comprehensive risk/benefit assessment of the mRNA vaccines excludes them as positive contributors to public health, even in the context of the Covid-19 pandemic."
Another post by Dr. Hocus Pocus.
 

Alphalion75

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Your number is way off. The average infection fatality rate for covid is around 0.23%. For people less than 70 it's 0.05%. You might be thinking of the case fatality rate but even that is skewed due to over coding for covid deaths (people that died with covid instead of from covid).


We have no idea what % of people who have received the vaccine have died. We know in the VAERS system there are 20,000+ covid19 vaccine deaths listed but the CDC has refused to examine any of the deaths to see for sure if they were caused by the vaccine (note that 30% of the deaths happen within 2 days so causality can be inferred by temporal association).

In order to figure this out for sure the CDC would have to do sampling similar to how IFR is found. Go out into the public and randomly do autopsies of thousands of people who died after getting the shot then extrapolate that out to the full population.

This study in the OP done by one of the top Pathologists in the EU did just that but with much smaller sample sizes (a few dozen). He found that the vast majority of the deaths were caused by vaccine induced autoimmune attack of vital organs (heart, lungs, etc.).
My number is straight forward from the Worldmeter data. 920,000 deaths from over 77m cases. You do the math. And as I posted before, you have totally discredited yourself here with your name calling my friend.
 

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My number is straight forward from the Worldmeter data. 920,000 deaths from over 77m cases. You do the math. And as I posted before, you have totally discredited yourself here with your name calling my friend.
You're doing the calculation wrong. You're looking at case fatality rate not the infection fatality rate. IFR factors in all the millions of asymptomatic people (who never get counted as a case) which is figured out by doing seroprevelance studies...look at the study I linked you to.
 

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You're doing the calculation wrong. You're looking at case fatality rate not the infection fatality rate. IFR factors in all the millions of asymptomatic people (who never get counted as a case) which is figured out by doing seroprevelance studies...look at the study I linked you to.

You're doing the calculation wrong. You're looking at case fatality rate not the infection fatality rate. IFR factors in all the millions of asymptomatic people (who never get counted as a case) which is figured out by doing seroprevelance studies...look at the study I linked you to.
I wouldn't trust any link you send me my friend. It would probably be a link to some malware.
 
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.gov? See, I knew I couldn't trust you. My friend. I would suggest you peddle your crap to someone else
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Guys,

WeR has never once done anything like that and probably not best to insinuate that he would.

The correct calculation is 920,000 / 156,000,000 = 0.59%.

I do note, that while I strongly think WeR is wrong to focus only on the negative of vaccines, he did at least know how to properly calculate the rate.

It’s done exactly as he says, with seroprevalence results.

Sad part he believes what he posts. True conspiracy guy for sure!!

Lulz! The link was a .gov. You should probably sit the next few plays out.
 
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More corroboration of the OP. This is a German Pathologist’s finding from Aug ‘21

 
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This thread could have just as easily been called "Trump spends billions of taxpayer dollars to create a death vaccine"
 

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Bump....embalmers are finding the same thing, the vax killed the majority of new cases.


 
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My number is straight forward from the Worldmeter data. 920,000 deaths from over 77m cases. You do the math. And as I posted before, you have totally discredited yourself here with your name calling my friend.
I don't think his name calling has discredited , he's right about the deaths, we don't have an accurate number of due to vs with. COVID is going to be opportunistic and kill certain people because they're compromised .
Then there is the positive test who died of other conditions and that's where it gets muddied.
 
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