That’s the question, Cletus.
Agreed. Despite two, three and four shots for 85% of those at risk (over 50) we have deaths on a par with the worst months of the pandemic. with masks, lockdowns and shots we haven't really improved measurably. States that were strict have done no better than states that weren't.
I know who he has had on his show (e.g. Robert Malone) and I know why Malone shouldn't be listened to.
Opposing viewpoints are fine. Again, policy decisions can be debated. Science, on the other hand, is not debated or decided on talk shows. It is challenged, vetted and articulated in the peer reviewed literature.
I think my viewpoints are pretty diverse on this topic (i.e. I'm not in the Saint Fauci Who Can Do No Wrong camp).
As I said above, science isn't debated on talk shows. Science is challenged by new science. This is done in the peer reviewed literature (and to a lesser extent at scientific conferences). If the "new science" holds up under peer review, then it becomes the standard until something else replaces it. That is one of the reasons science is so amazing; it is constantly evolving and improving.
The science has changed! Which is great. If the science didn't change, we'd be static (and screwed). Again, this is what the peer reviewed literature is for. And policies will (should) change as the science changes.
It does mutate, but scientists think you CAN vaccinate for future versions that don't exist yet.
www.cnet.com
I’m just waiting for someone to tell me how hard it would actshually be to get that data.
Science is never settled via debate. It is settled by new research that has undergone the peer review process.
What debate was this? Honestly interested in a link.
Which government scientists are lying about science?
do you consider Fauci a govt scientist, if so, he lied and has misled about science a few times.
My fault. I meant to mention global warming scientists having a publicized debate. Surely you saw that beat down with Lindzen.
we are never going to get a natural immunity answer. The powers that be already put out a hit job in the beginning of the pandemic that natural immunity wasn't any good (defying any real science) so we know that they won't backtrack on that statement. Both because they won't backtrack on about anything they said, and the underlying reason that they paid people to put our false science and smear those that said natural immunity was equal have not changed to my knowledge. We are seeing some other countries talk about this, but it will never be enough to have the current CDC change their recommendations.
agreed...and people are beginning to revolt. Even in heavy mask mandate places, I see mask-wearing down precipitously.
those two articles just confirm what people have been saying for months. Omicron is much more transmissible but much less virulent/deadly. N95 masks are the only masks that really do anything.Omicron 105% more transmissible than Delta, say French scientists
The Omicron Covid-19 variant may be 105 per cent more transmissible than Delta, according to a research by French scientists.www.tribuneindia.com
Which mask protects best against the Omicron variant?
With the highly contagious COVID-19 Omicron variant surging, many people are reconsidering the type of mask they wear. A UC Davis Health infectious diseases expert has advice about when to wear cloth, surgical, N95 or KN95 masks.health.ucdavis.edu
..and, of course, those issues change the entire risk/value relationship with masks, lockdowns, vaccinations, etc.
UNC.
Help me understand something I may have missed. Re not made [or put under GoF]. The last i heard almost all viruses go from bat to an intermediary to human. To my knowledge no other animals have ever been identified. Additionally all other coronaviruses when they finally were transferred to humans spread very slowly. [that is the reason why Redfield and others said had they known it was engineered they would have acted differently. I clearly could have missed something but what makes you think it was originally from nature?
other types of masks offer minimal protection to the way Covid is actually transmissible. Any mask offers up more protection then no mask but doesn't mean that a mandate to wear them all the time is the right way to go. If we are going down the path of something is better than nothing, then there are way, way, way more things to look at before non N95 masks that should be the focus such as proper weight management, good eating and sleeping habits, exercise and diet, and a wealth of things that make the human body's own defense system much more robust before the incremental advantage of a cloth mask is where we end up.
I'll try. Anyone would said cloth masks work, and anyone who said natural immunity didn't.
IMO that happens in the March 1st State of the Union. Covid is a hinderance not a help at this point to the administration, so as Omicron fades DJ says we did 400 million jabs and ordered 500 million test kits so victory is ours.
Congress just controls most of their funding and gives them the mandate to actually do what they do, who are you kidding.
And I would assume that top people are appointed and need to be confirmed but don’t know for sure.
They control funding but not day to day operations. They cannot determine what recommendations they make.
I don't really follow climate change "debates" that closely, so no, I didn't see that. You can send me a link and I'll look at it with an open mind.
As a former journal editor, I strongly disagree with this statement.
I agree with this statement.
I'm not sure any scientists have said that. I think policy makers have said that. And I've been skeptical of masks since day 1 because I've publish on aerosols and I know how they behave.
Ok so Fauci and CDC director are policy makers not scientists? If so okay
Look at this ridiculous censorship.
www.masterresource.org
Natural immunity is 2.5x better than the vaccine?
Tough to accept that.
I said this in another threat some time ago but I personally know a scientist who worked for the federal gov't and he along with 4 other scientists, had research conflicting most of the current climate change narrative. When presented their data was discredited by one of those types mentioned in the article. They eventually were bought out by the gov't, each given an early retirement at full benefits.Look at this ridiculous censorship.
Lindzen-Choi 'Special Treatment': Is Peer Review Biased Against Nonalarmist Climate Science? - Master Resource
[Editor’s note: The following material was supplied to us by Dr. Richard Lindzen as an example of how research that counters climate-change alarm receives special treatment in the scientific publication process as compared with results that reinforce the consensus view. In this case, Lindzen’s...
The scariest part of COVID has not been the virus, IMHO. The scariest part is the lies the govt has fed us. Trying to get 3-year-olds vaccinated? OMG! Secondly, the shaming in the scientific community that has led to deplatforming. I don't say this lightly, reminiscent of tyrannical govts (China, Soveit Union, Cuba and yes, Nazi Germany). I have long been skeptical of the govt. More recently, the media. Very recently, academia. But this has also made me skeptical of the scientific community. Now more than ever, I think the individual is on his own.
the issue is policy makers are over ruling scientists on some things (look at the whole cloth mask issue), Fauci is thought of as a scientist and is actively going after anybody that disagrees with him, when some scientists did step up and say 'hey, what is going on here, this doesn't make sense and we need some debate on this', Fauci and the politicians shut them down with the help of social media. So in a Utopian world, what you are suggesting would occur but that is not reality of where we are at.
do you know what level of home testing the UK has, as that has to figure into these type of ratios now.Natural immunity is 2.5x better than the vaccine?
Hardly - even the CDCs number is more than 6x the vaccine, and other researchers have reported up to 27x.
You can bet that the CDC did everything they could to keep that multiplier under 10.
But back to the original point. Look at the UK and look at the USA.
The UK had a huge surge in infections, but not nearly the surge in deaths this time.
USA Ratio Deaths/Cases: 2000/750,000 or 1:375
UK Ratio Deaths/Cases: 260/150,000 or 1:570
Well, actually the case rates are not as strikingly different as I had thought. Anyway, there it is. OK does significantly better because their elderly population is almost completely vaxxed.
Yes...sadly. I really liked the guy, and wanted to like him. I cannot say for certain his motives. Did he really fund Wuhan? Is he aligned with the CCP due to their wide funding initiatives? Is he just political? I don't know. What I do know is that he took some incorrect positions early and despite overwhelming evidence later, would not back off of his initial position. From a 30,000 foot view, he was "all in" on drugs and did next to nothing to promote prevention and care.
Also now seeing 10-15% declines in the hospital numbers. We are definitely on downside of the peak and the decline is very sharp. Be interesting to note if the fatality decline that the graph showed the last two days holds or is that a reporting anomaly but would be great to see the fatality having peaked as well. I am really targetting mid/late March as the weather breaks to see where we get on the hospital and fatality numbers are will we see the same levels as we saw in the April/May timeframe of 2021 when we were at all time lows and it appeared that Covid was going to fade away.Natural immunity is 2.5x better than the vaccine?
Hardly - even the CDCs number is more than 6x the vaccine, and other researchers have reported up to 27x.
You can bet that the CDC did everything they could to keep that multiplier under 10.
But back to the original point. Look at the UK and look at the USA.
The UK had a huge surge in infections, but not nearly the surge in deaths this time.
USA Ratio Deaths/Cases: 2000/750,000 or 1:375
UK Ratio Deaths/Cases: 260/150,000 or 1:570
Well, actually the case rates are not as strikingly different as I had thought. Anyway, there it is. OK does significantly better because their elderly population is almost completely vaxxed.
I agree that this is a problem regardless of the field of science being discussed. When I was at PSU I took one policy class and I asked my professor at question about a piece of legislation that seemed to contradict the state of the science. He laughed and said "Policy rarely has anything to do with the science." I've steered clear of policy since then.
