This not what I said at all. You have reading comprehension problems. Vaccines slow the spread and were more effective doing so with earlier variants. But that does not mean they have zero efficacy against omicron.
That is incorrect and it is sad that you don't understand the math behind this.
I'm not doing your homework for you. You can either post the link or STFU.
Wow---you must be realted to Lajolla!
Relevancy? Zero. None. Zilch.
This is factually incorrect. It was previously available under EUA (emergency use authorization) but as of August 2021 is now fully approved.
FDA Approves First COVID-19 Vaccine
FDA approved the first COVID-19 vaccine, now marketed as Comirnaty, for the prevention of COVID-19 disease in individuals 16 years of age and older.www.fda.gov
Please stop disseminating false information.
newsnationusa.com
I've never claimed that the vaccine stops the spread of omicron.
And do you find it intriguing that cases of COVID-19 in China (any variant) are virtually non-existent? Is this a coincidence?
I think this distinction is an important one and I've been arguing to clear this up since the very early days of covid.
Gee, wonder which ones would be held to the last release. And then there is always the redactions of anything the peons shouldn’t bother their little brains with.FDA ordered to speed up release of approval data for COVID-19 vaccine - News Nation USA
The Food and Drug Administration was ordered by a federal judge Thursday to release tens of thousands of more pages a month about the data used in its
Approved only for people 16 years of age and older. The vaccine continues to remain available for emergency use only authorization (EUA), for individuals 12 through 15 years.
We still won’t get the data used in its approval process for Pfizer’s COVID-19 vaccine. for another 8 months, only because of a US District Judge ruled in favor of Public Health and Medical Professionals that had sued the FDA under a Freedom of Information Act that demanded more transparency.
U.S. District Judge Mark Pittman called the group’s FOIA request "of paramount public importance," and demanded that the FDA release 55,000 pages a month—which means all information should be available within eight months, Reuter’s Jenna Greene, who had been following the suit,
The FDA—citing staffing issues—agreed to release 12,000 pages by the end of January and a “minimum” of 500 pages a month going forward, the report said. The group found that number unacceptable and said there are more than 400,000 pages of data needed, which could mean it may be 2097 before all the documents are made public.
Basically it means people died early. I have a friend in health care who said that isn't necessarily a bad thing. He asked a good question---how much money was saved by these people dying? I'm not saying I agree with te premise but its a legit question. How much does the government spend to take care of a patient for a year? I know the numbers show excess deaths and won't argue that but what happens the year after this is over will be interesting.
Not sure your point here.FDA ordered to speed up release of approval data for COVID-19 vaccine - News Nation USA
The Food and Drug Administration was ordered by a federal judge Thursday to release tens of thousands of more pages a month about the data used in its
Approved only for people 16 years of age and older. The vaccine continues to remain available for emergency use only authorization (EUA), for individuals 12 through 15 years.
We still won’t get the data used in its approval process for Pfizer’s COVID-19 vaccine. for another 8 months, only because of a US District Judge ruled in favor of Public Health and Medical Professionals that had sued the FDA under a Freedom of Information Act that demanded more transparency.
U.S. District Judge Mark Pittman called the group’s FOIA request "of paramount public importance," and demanded that the FDA release 55,000 pages a month—which means all information should be available within eight months, Reuter’s Jenna Greene, who had been following the suit,
The FDA—citing staffing issues—agreed to release 12,000 pages by the end of January and a “minimum” of 500 pages a month going forward, the report said. The group found that number unacceptable and said there are more than 400,000 pages of data needed, which could mean it may be 2097 before all the documents are made public.
You realize that most of those Penguins that were infected were infected prior to omicron becoming prevalent.
yes...but as I've been arguing for two years, each person has their own risk profile. What we are seeing is that there have been a ton of scare tactics used here. They simply hid the data. Why? If you are healthy and under 50-ish, you've got almost nothing to worry about.
nationaldailyng.com
LOL. I post citations for everything I say. You post citations for nothing and don't understand basic math.
What will happen after this is all over? That blue line that I graph will go UNDER the Orange line - because we will have taken out a lot of dry tinder.
Personal anecdotes do not make for scientifically rigorous conclusions.
Surely we are done with this ridiculous nonsense.The power of natural immunity was recently affirmed in an Israeli studywhich found a 6.7 times greater level of protection among those with natural immunity vs. those with vaccinated immunity,” he said. Israel is the most vaccinated country in the world.Natural immunity delivers more protection than COVID vaccines -Study
Spread The News An Israeli study shows that natural immunity is 13 times more effective than the COVID vaccines in protecting individuals. “SARS-CoV-2-naïve vaccines had a 13-fold increased risk for breakthrough infection with the Delta variant compared to those previously infected.” “The...
In September, Makary shared that there are more than 15 studies that have demonstrated the power of immunity acquired by previously having the virus. He referenced Israel “found that those who had experienced prior infections were 27 times less likely to get a second symptomatic COVID infection than those who were vaccinated.”
The same ones that were for mask mandates with no evidence whatsoever.
Bottom line is their has been less than full transparency about the rushed to market vaccines since they were introduced over a year ago and people are entitled to full information and disclosure about any vaccine, which wasn’t FDA approved until late August, 7 months after it was being widely administered and often mandated. This is still a free country and right to choose is paramount, especially relative to ones health. AND for millions of healthy people, acquired natural immunities are more effective than the vaccines any way. (No matter what the media claims attempting to debunk that fact )
Boy, we sure do agree on that one - personal anecdotes make for bad science.
And that's the bottom line--if they don't stop the spread then why would you mandate it. Ultimately that's what I mean when I say they don't work.
exactly, and then a conspiracy quack might say was this for some population control. Thats why the question--how much money was saved from the deaths could be a legitimately asked.
Glad we agree on that. Anecdotes are not helpful.
Three points here:
I've never been in favor of mask mandates and don't think that masking does anything.
I think for your point #3, natural immunity should be counted as the same as being vaccinated and it is not. That is the rub for most people.
No they didn't. First the original covid 19---Alpha I guess wasn't even here when vaccinations started. Now Beta which popped its head up in the winter of 2020 was already decreasing when vaccines came out. The cases barely noticeable before any % of the population that would have made a difference were vaccinated.
I would be more precise in choice of language and say vaccines ‘help’ instead of vaccines ‘work‘. Almost all vaccines for other illnesses stop the illness......small pox, measles, etc, etc. And when people hear the term ‘vaccine’ that is their expectation. And when expectations are not met you get disappointment and cynicism.
June 2020 USA 7 day average in daily positives was 22-24k range. June 2021 it was in the 14-15k range and that is with a much more opened up society and much better access to testing.
I don't disagree with you in principle but I can foresee some issues with that in terms of documentation. I think there are still issues with false positive PCR tests (another topic for another time) and possibly even with other rapid tests. I think we'd have to agree on a testing framework with a national reporting system (which I'm sure people would object to on privacy basis).
you do recognize that it is most likely the patient misheard as I have also not heard of anybody definitely testing for Omicron or Delta variant in a normal setting. the test to distinguish does exist, but that is not something that I think is normal. see attached article.
Omicron vs. delta: Can you tell which variant of COVID you have?
With the highly-transmissible omicron variant spreading across the globe, people who test positive for COVID-19 may be wondering just which mutation of the virus they have.wgntv.com
isn't there anti-body tests now that can be given? so just like a vaccine card, if you have a positive antibody test than that is the same as vaccination.
These are total cases per 100K
My daughter's college won't even take a positive test from from the 1st week in December to not get the vaccine. But they also can't test her for athletics for 90 days. Science!
