No masks at @ PSU @ outdoor events
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That's why I think masks should become permanent. In most cases, they improve the wearer's appearance.....and they can smell their own breath.
No great answers. Without a vax or mask mandate, however, I fear that I'll have to skip games this year (both at the Beav and at Pegula) until they authorize the vax for kids under 12 as I have one of those in my household (other kid is older and vaxxed as are both parents). Hearing that vax for under 12 might not hit until late winter, so perhaps some hope to squeeze in a game or two at Pegula late in the season (i.e., February).
It is a bummer as I was hoping to do the whole RV experience with the fam for the Michigan game (we did it the year before last and had a blast!). Auburn would have been fun as well, given that we don't get southern teams to visit north often. But all those unvaccinated Alabamans... 😆
In the likely scenario that PSU has to cancel fan attendance if we get another surge up here in Pennsy, I wonder how they'll handle tickets that were sold (on the official exchange). For instance, if I sell Villanova at under face (likely), I assume that TicketMaster will just return my money (and reimburse the buyer) and then PSU will reimburse me the purchase price. Same with tickets that I may sell over face value (in hopes to break even) like Auburn. What a mess!
It is a bummer as I was hoping to do the whole RV experience with the fam for the Michigan game (we did it the year before last and had a blast!). Auburn would have been fun as well, given that we don't get southern teams to visit north often. But all those unvaccinated Alabamans... 😆
In the likely scenario that PSU has to cancel fan attendance if we get another surge up here in Pennsy, I wonder how they'll handle tickets that were sold (on the official exchange). For instance, if I sell Villanova at under face (likely), I assume that TicketMaster will just return my money (and reimburse the buyer) and then PSU will reimburse me the purchase price. Same with tickets that I may sell over face value (in hopes to break even) like Auburn. What a mess!
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Why will you have to skip games without such mandates?
Isn’t there still a question about the safety and necessity of these vaccines for children?
Thanks BobPSU92... saw the LCW above the one you picked. I believe you just tongued & cheeked me. 🤨
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Kids by Sept-Oct per Pfizer. Reports are that it's safe for kids.
Studies in Additional Populations | Pfizer
www.pfizer.com
Fair enough and I sincerely hope that you are right. Better to call it a somewhat uninformed guess on my part based on reading at least one schools (Hawaii - thought that I had read about others, but perhaps I am wrong) has already canceled fan attendance for early games which isn't a good sign. Time will tell and again I hope the stands are full (and perhaps we get some relief on vax for under 12 soon).
With parents who are afraid of needles.... what are the chances the children will get vaccinated?Kids by Sept-Oct per Pfizer. Reports are that it's safe for kids.
Studies in Additional Populations | Pfizer
Not sure if we're saying the same thing, but I am saying that my own personal decision is that I won't attend an event with a large crowd sans social distancing while I have an unvaccinated kid at home. I am taking precautions to try to prevent bringing it home to my kid and the possibility of contracting it (Delta, Lambda, whatever is next) at a game and being an asymptomatic carrier who gives it to my child is a deal-breaker for me. I am not judging others for their personal decision, that's just my personal decision.
This. My nephew died recently from covid and my friend's teen has long covid and has had neurological issues, severe fatigue, and other problems for over a year. The cost-benefit tradeoff is clear in my mind. Covid is bad bad bad stuff. I'll take my chance with the vax for my kids. Right now I mask everywhere indoors, if there are people around, to protect my kids.
You know there are other sports besides football. There's no need to speculate. I've been in so many crowds of thousands of people outdoors that I don't even think about covid in those situations anymore. Even last year when nobody was vaccinated, not one of these turned into super spreader events.
Enjoy the rest of your stupid discussion.
Enjoy the rest of your stupid discussion.
If there is no need to speculate....there is little purpose in being here. That's all pretty much what everyone does here on every topic.
If you've been in "so many crowds of thousands" even before the vaccine....my advice would be to consider caution......your luck my be running out!
With your health issues, masks wouldn’t be enough either. Seems like your only decision is to stay home and watch on TV regardless of what rules get implemented.
@PennSt8er According to the article I posted that is not accurate. Even those N95 s will allow a sizable percentage of aerosols to escape.
Worse, all the testing is done over a short time period. Doubt any were tested for longer than an hour.....probably less than a half hour. And in controlled laboratory settings.
Now compare that to wearing a mask for four hrs minimum walking through large crowds, entering restrooms, eating food, yelling at the terrible refferines! Talking to family, friends and neighbors, telling the coaches they are all wrong! Adjusting the mask often, wiping your brow on warm days, blowing into your hands on cold days, fight he wind. Allow all that exhaled particles to build up for four hours j less you change masks every hour.
After all that no mask is going to make difference. At this point it would all be for show and for liability protections.
Worse, all the testing is done over a short time period. Doubt any were tested for longer than an hour.....probably less than a half hour. And in controlled laboratory settings.
Now compare that to wearing a mask for four hrs minimum walking through large crowds, entering restrooms, eating food, yelling at the terrible refferines! Talking to family, friends and neighbors, telling the coaches they are all wrong! Adjusting the mask often, wiping your brow on warm days, blowing into your hands on cold days, fight he wind. Allow all that exhaled particles to build up for four hours j less you change masks every hour.
After all that no mask is going to make difference. At this point it would all be for show and for liability protections.
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EPA Researchers Test Effectiveness of Face Masks, Disinfection Methods Against COVID-19 | US EPA
EPA scientists are applying their expertise in aerosol and decontamination research to better understand mask effectiveness, as well as methods for disinfecting personal protective equipment for the public, healthcare workers, and other essential workers.
It’s risk mitigation. The four hour scenario has people engaging in risky behavior (eg eating). However, there is ample evidence that N95 materially reduces relative risk to no masking. There may be a short encounter while eating or adjusting the mask etc. That’s a risk some may be willing to take. I am not. When I have the mask on, it’s well fitted and will not come off until I know I am alone and likely outside to avoid those risks you talk about.
Healthcare workers regularly face the 4 hours you talk about. They get greater protection with N95.EPA Researchers Test Effectiveness of Face Masks, Disinfection Methods Against COVID-19 | US EPA
EPA scientists are applying their expertise in aerosol and decontamination research to better understand mask effectiveness, as well as methods for disinfecting personal protective equipment for the public, healthcare workers, and other essential workers.www.epa.gov
Greater < 0. May be better than other masks but far from zero. Lots of healthcare workers contracted Wuhan and many died. And they often used negative air pressure systems, gloves, booties, and lots used gowns. And changed often throughout the day. Still got sick.
If you are confident that a N95 will keep you safe, I have no issue with that. Just trying to help by discussing all issues.
Your choice, I wish you well what ever you choose.
EPA Researchers Test Effectiveness of Face Masks, Disinfection Methods Against COVID-19 | US EPA
EPA scientists are applying their expertise in aerosol and decontamination research to better understand mask effectiveness, as well as methods for disinfecting personal protective equipment for the public, healthcare workers, and other essential workers.
You should actually read that. It doesn't go over the realistic scenario that Spin laid out. Even more importantly, it focuses on the safety of the user, not the protection of other people. What can I say, I do care enough to read.
My point is that many just won’t bother with masks at all, which to me seems baffling in light of the obvious safety benefits in close indoor spaces. Playing with fire. Ask my nephew’s soul.
BTW, this scenario is also why I think large assemblies are still irresponsible, until delta recedes significantly.
