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Better question is how will it impact his deadlift?Wonder how that will impact his cut?
Can’t imagine that changes.Not alleging anything by this, but the injury is convenient so far as timing goes given that the plan was to wrestle a limited schedule to decrease the number of times Nato would need to make weight. Curious whether announcing the injury delays/tolls the date to certify at 125, anyone know?
Agree. That would invite all kinds of shenanigans.Can’t imagine that changes.
For all rostered wrestlers...Not alleging anything by this, but the injury is convenient so far as timing goes given that the plan was to wrestle a limited schedule to decrease the number of times Nato would need to make weight. Curious whether announcing the injury delays/tolls the date to certify at 125, anyone know?
Okay, so what about non-rostered wrestlers? Pat Downey isn't on Iowa's roster because he's not enrolled, yet the plan is to wrestle him at 184 in March, and so presumably he has to certify on a date later than November 1. By that language I imagine before the first day of second semester classes.For all rostered wrestlers...
No sooner than the first day of classes, no later than November 1st.
Prior to their first competition.Okay, so what about non-rostered wrestlers? Pat Downey isn't on Iowa's roster because he's not enrolled, yet the plan is to wrestle him at 184 in March, and so presumably he has to certify on a date later than November 1. By that language I imagine before the first day of second semester classes.
And again, not because I'm suggesting Tom Ryan is attempting to circumvent anything, I'm just trying to understand how things work by imagining breaking them, but what would prevent a coach from removing a wrestler from the roster for a semester for the purposes of gaming the system? I imagine that wrestler's scholarship would be impacted, so the ploy seems unlikely, but I'm curious then.
The rulebook uses the word "shall", so my interpretation is "no gray area". If a wrestler's name appears on an institutional roster, the rules apply.Seems realistic to me that an injured wrestler would not need to certify until he is no longer injured - maybe there is gray area, or maybe not
Certifying injured for a fairly intense weight cut sounds like a party I want to go too.Prior to their first competition.
The rulebook uses the word "shall", so my interpretation is "no gray area". If a wrestler's name appears on an institutional roster, the rules apply.
You do understand certifying, right? The goal is not to be at your wrestling weight, it's for the math to show a wrestler can safely (hydrated state, 5%+ body fat) make weight.Certifying injured for a fairly intense weight cut sounds like a party I want to go too.
I did not thanksYou do understand certifying, right? The goal is not to be at your wrestling weight, it's for the math to show a wrestler can safely (hydrated state, 5%+ body fat) make weight.
P.S.You do understand certifying, right? The goal is not to be at your wrestling weight, it's for the math to show a wrestler can safely (hydrated state, 5%+ body fat) make weight.
Wrestler could weigh 150 and could certify at 133 if hydration and body fat are such that he can lose that. My son weighed 144 his senior year and could not certify for 140 because his body fat was too low. He was allowed to drop to 141.5, that was it.P.S.
If you don't mind could you give an example.
First is the go/no-go portion, which is hydration. The specific gravity of one's urine determines if the certification can take place. If hydration fails, the wrestler must return the next day, fully hydrated.P.S.
If you don't mind could you give an example.
That was abandoned this year. There is no longer a date, prior to your conference tournament, that one needs to be at their NCAA weight. In theory, a wrestler could finish his descent plan to his lowest weight class on March 2nd, and wrestle in a conference tournament on March 3rd.Other factors: must be at postseason weight by 2/15. And matches wrestled at other weights do not count toward seeding.
Thanks for the update.That was abandoned this year. There is no longer a date, prior to your conference tournament, that one needs to be at their NCAA weight.
Also, the NCAA Committee may use results outside one's weight class for seeding, normally don't as it's a trap...and tough for comparison's sake. More importantly, Coaches Ranking, RPI, and Win % aren't calculated, so it prevents the conference from earning 1 automatic qualifier slot.
But that was for weigh ins, after working out, I assume. A lower body injury could hamper movement, which could limit aerobic workouts, which I assume helps making weight. I never had to make weight, but my son's ran a lot to do it. I assume a lower body injury makes running hard.I was thinking that he just weighed in at 57kg for U23 , and so he may not be that far off.
Three options, though calipers is still used most often...And how do they measure hydration? I assume they have a better method for body fat than the calipers they used at my son's high school.
Thanks Roar, in advance, or someone else.....
Agreed. My point was that if he recently weighed in basically at NCAA competition weight he is probably at a weight where he could certify and then get back down to weight in order to compete without worrying about certifying again. He can just operate within the OPC (Optimal Performance Calculator). When you certify the weight and body fat are entered into the OPC. It then draws a minimum permissible body weight day by day for the remainder of the season. The minimum competition weight is drawn until you reach 5% body fat according the the OPC. Each time you weigh in for competition that weight is entered into the OPC and the weight loss plan is re-drawn. So if NaTo certifies now but at a weight/body fat that allows competition at 125 then that weight loss plan will be frozen in the system until the next time he weighs in for competition even if it's in 3 months.But that was for weigh ins, after working out, I assume. A lower body injury could hamper movement, which could limit aerobic workouts, which I assume helps making weight. I never had to make weight, but my son's ran a lot to do it. I assume a lower body injury makes running hard.
I weigh 182 and could probably certify for 149![]()
I weigh 182 and could probably certify for 149![]()
First is the go/no-go portion, which is hydration. The specific gravity of one's urine determines if the certification can take place. If hydration fails, the wrestler must return the next day, fully hydrated.
The rest is all math.
Say I weigh 170 pounds at the time of certification, with a body fat of 13% (several methods allowed for body fat %, mostly used is calipers).
Since I must be above 5% body fat, I'm allowed to lose 8% of my body weight (13% - 5%).
8% of 170 pounds is 13.6 pounds (that's what I'd be ALLOWED TO LOSE SAFELY).
170 pounds - 13.6 pounds is 156.4 pounds, so I could wrestle 157 this coming year...even though I weight 170 now.
Another piece of this is the descent plan. There is a weekly limit of 1.5% of body weight, so the most I could lose in any one week is 2.55 pounds. It would take over 5 weeks to get from 170 to 157.
Note that there is other math applied, though the above is a good example.
Thanks to both of you for taking the time to fill me in. Things have changed a lot for the better. I have gotten the impression that some schools like Okst still "cut a lot of weight". This must be within the window You both described which makes it less onerous than the cuts we were doing in the eighties. Still PSU's results speak for themselves as far as this issue is concerned they really do demonstrate that you can win at the weight you feel best at.Wrestler could weigh 150 and could certify at 133 if hydration and body fat are such that he can lose that. My son weighed 144 his senior year and could not certify for 140 because his body fat was too low. He was allowed to drop to 141.5, that was it.
You are not aloneI weigh 182 and could probably certify for 149![]()
Signed, everyone who doesn't have to wrestle Zain.I weigh 182 and could probably certify for 149![]()
There is ALWAYS some sneaky crap with Ryan....I would never want my son wrestling for him....Just the opposite type of man and value system of Cael ! Thank God we have him....Not alleging anything by this, but the injury is convenient so far as timing goes given that the plan was to wrestle a limited schedule to decrease the number of times Nato would need to make weight. Curious whether announcing the injury delays/tolls the date to certify at 125, anyone know?
Don't misconstrue what I wrote please.There is ALWAYS some sneaky crap with Ryan....I would never want my son wrestling for him....Just the opposite type of man and value system of Cael ! Thank God we have him....
Considering you once said your son wasn't very good, this seems like a very low risk.There is ALWAYS some sneaky crap with Ryan....I would never want my son wrestling for him....Just the opposite type of man and value system of Cael ! Thank God we have him....
Our fan base takes great exception with the HR making things up about cael. to do so about ryan just invites more of this.There is ALWAYS some sneaky crap with Ryan....I would never want my son wrestling for him....Just the opposite type of man and value system of Cael ! Thank God we have him....
The scorpion stings because that's all he knows to do.Our fan base takes great exception with the HR making things up about cael. to do so about ryan just invites more of this.
take the ladies offer, get your debt paid off and leave.
I've taken some shots at Ryan for some things, but I'd send my kid to wrestle for him in a second (if Cael didn't want first dibs).There is ALWAYS some sneaky crap with Ryan....I would never want my son wrestling for him....Just the opposite type of man and value system of Cael ! Thank God we have him....