the OLine is not very good - is that his fault? The guy needs 4 years of his own classes coming in - and the guy recruits. Our OLine problems are made worse since Hack doesn't move very well. The D's can just pin their ears back and go. And in the process Hack is sort of getting Bolden(ed) (as in Rob) - he's starting to stare down receivers, and he's getting hit so often - he's numb to pressure and now doesn't sense it very well (at all). The Redskins line in 2011 sucked. In 2012 they looked all-world with RGIII and the read option. Not saying we should switch to that but any type of mobile QB keep the Defense honest. But a bad line and an a QB that can't scramble is a really bad combo. Have at it hornets.
let's ease off Franklin please
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I agree. My only real issue with Franklin is his selection of Donovan. Despite the offense we would have won that game if Wartman had not gotten hurt. No depth at LB again due to sanctions.
From a talent perspective, I agree. JF needs HIS guys to make his system work. The disappointment many of us have though is that the team quit and looked unprepared...on the first game of the season.
The quitting issue is often hard to discern from worn down. If they did quit then that is concerning.
The excuse of not having "his" players is just that - an excuse. It's not as though he inherited a bunch of undersized players who should be in Division II. I never expected undefeated seasons from the get go and I am certainly willing to give Franklin time to install his system/philosophy. But the offense gave up ten sacks. Basic coaching of fundamental pass blocking techniques can help a lineman at least slow down an opposing player who is better. It's basic stuff. Move your feet. Keep a low center of gravity. Punch and move. Nobody expects pancake blocks in pass protection but ten sacks? The coaches have had almost two years to teach blocking techniques and still - ten sacks?
Franklin and his staff trotted out the same formula from last year, maybe even worse.
He is the head of the program, the CEO, he takes all of the blame.
He needs to get rid of the OC as well as Hand. If he can't get this straightened out, the folks in Old Main need to admit they made a lousy hire and fire him at years end.
Support the team, sure, expect accountability from the HC definitely.
He is the head of the program, the CEO, he takes all of the blame.
He needs to get rid of the OC as well as Hand. If he can't get this straightened out, the folks in Old Main need to admit they made a lousy hire and fire him at years end.
Support the team, sure, expect accountability from the HC definitely.
Good point, but even if they didn't quit, it's also concerning that they would be worn down AND unprepared during the first game of the season. Fresh out of camp, neither of these should happen.
No doubt, all this BS about how "all-world" and different CH's stats were in 2013 is laughable nonsense....they weren't all that different and in fact, CH more completions in 2014 than 2013. To the extent that the 2013 stats are marginally better, how much of that accrues to A-Rob accounting for 97 of CH's 231 completions that year (42%) and the massive amount of YAC that he compiled? How much if it accrues to the 2012 and 2013 OL that FLO inherited which was VASTLY superior to what he left behind in terms of both starters and depth -- off the charts superior (also, how many of those OL that FLO inherited graduated in 2013??? What were they replaced with??? Of the handful of OL that FLO recruited, most of them left along with him.). Absurd that Franklin is expected FIX a problem created by FLO in one year that takes the best coaches in the country 3 to 4 years on campus to fix beyond marginal, stop-gap, band-aid and duct-tape repairs. It is a freaking miracle that Franklin took us to a bowl and won 7 games last year with the condition that FLO left the team in -- his success in using stop-gap measures to create some success (especially in the bowl) is now his own worst enemy and his supposed "all-star", 3rd year starter QB did him no favors by missing wide-open receivers and throwing an absurdly bad INT costing the team 14 points of differential with what can only be described as awful and uninspiring play from the QB position.
Ha! Given recent history, what makes you think that the folks in Old Main even have the capacity to admit that they made a mistake?!?
Come on! 4 of the Oline played all of last year, including two backups. How can you go from playing a full season, having an off season to prepare and improve, and then look worse than anytime last season. Coaching, offensive scheme (or lack thereof), and inability or unwillingness to make changes during a game. That is the head coaches responsibility. Football games always have momentum turners. How a team responds to them tells the outcome. We made no significant adjustments at half time, had the ball to begin the half, had a 16 yd gain first play, then 2 up the middle runs that gained nothing and a pass, that if caught, would have been 4 yds.short of first down. It was all downhill from there. No inspiration on the sidelines at all so, no, we do not need to lay off Franklin. He is getting paid big bucks to manage this and this is a total fail considering at least six guys from last year's Oline returned!
I'll agree to ease off but I was at the game and rarely saw him in any huddles talking or getting his players hyped. He was a statue but one thing I was saying all day at the game was, Temple is due and they out played/coached us.
Yea, right - he is supposed to perfectly fix the massive problems FLO created at OL with a waive of his staff like Moses? Uh-huh, sure they are whatever you say genius - the best coaches in the country can't perfectly fix the MASSIVE problems caused by the depleted state (especially along the OL) that FLO left the program in take at least 3 years for the best coaches in the country to perfectly fix -- until then, it is going to be stop-gap measures and marginal solutions, band-aid and duct-tape type stuff, which doesn't always work especially when you're playing a quality defense and you cannot make them pay for constant jailhouse break bliting techniques.
Man, keep stroking that hardon you have and maybe it will go away!
Yeah, I agree with you BTW, I don't believe they would ever admit to failure hiring the wrong guy
Well, he had last year to evaluate as well as the spring. He decided yet again to try to fit a square peg through a round hole.
Why BOB successful at establishing an offense built around a freshman? Why did he not reach out and learn a different system instead of running the one he used last year which didn't work?
Running the same thing and expecting different results is on Franklin. This is big time football, make changes or be gone.
Come on? They played last year because they were the only ones available - that does not make them great OL. PSU did not even have enough OL on its roster last year to field a two-deep and had to convert two non-playing DL to OL! Laughable to claim that just because they played last year that this makes them really good OL - FLO left the cupboard absolutely bare especially at OL and then he tried to create a situation where whatever talent was left would leave (including recruits) by firing coaches, lying to players and recruits, etc.... He created as much death and destruction as possible and left the OL depth chart completely bare without enough OL to even complete a 2-Deep depth chart when he inherited an OL depth chart that went 3-4 deep off a team that was 8-1 until Corbutt pulled his disgraceful and corrupt shennanigans.
I've wondered why Hand has gotten so much of a pass to date. I'm no fan of Donovan, but he's not coaching the o-line. I guess living his life on cooking shows and social media has made Hand teflon.
I didn't say they were good, I said they had a year of this regime under their belt and they regressed. That is on coaching.
Certainly willing to give Franklin more time. He has been recruiting lights out. With that said he is still the leader of this program and needs to take full responsibility for such a poor performance regardless of underlying reasons. Rhule has only been head coach at Temple for a couple seasons, seems to be able to put his team in position regardless of who recruited them into the program.
Now "they regressed"? Really? They sucked last year as first year starters (they gave up 44 sacks, a PSU all-time record that you don't want to hold), so do tell, how precisely did they "regress"? It's more of the same which is not surprising when you inherit a handful of scholarship OL when most teams have upwards of 20 to choose from....
Remember, Franklin was once the head coach in waiting at Maryland, but their eventual AD cooled off on that idea and was not too upset when Franklin left for Vanderbilt.
BTW, this offense did no better last year against this same Temple defense - including Mr. Blameless at QB who most of you FLO-knobbers love to incessantly make excuses for and absolve. CH actually improved on his numbers marginally this year throwing one less INT other than that his stats were identically futile to last years. Given that we only scored one offensive TD against Temple last year and produced basically the same amount of offensive production this year, our offense did not "regress" against Temple's defense - again, it was the same 'ole, same 'ole.
To the original post: Here's the problem with waiting for Franklin to recruit his players - he doesn't have the luxury of time. If this team lays an egg this whole season recruits will begin to see Franklin's rah rah approach and smooth talk as just a bunch of hot air and they will tune him out. I would be willing to bet that some current commitments are already deciding to keep their eye on other schools after the debacle on Saturday.
Also, Franklin is getting upwards of 4.5 million a year and Shoup is supposed to be getting around a million; the staff is supposed to be one of the more highly paid staffs in the big ten - they deserve all the criticism in the world if warranted. And Saturday's loss warrants it big time.
Also, Franklin is getting upwards of 4.5 million a year and Shoup is supposed to be getting around a million; the staff is supposed to be one of the more highly paid staffs in the big ten - they deserve all the criticism in the world if warranted. And Saturday's loss warrants it big time.
Franklin and this staff will be gone by 2020. Fortunately, the dynamics of the sanctions rolling off plus this staff's focus on recruiting will leave the program in moderately good shape for their successors. My best guess is a losing season this year, followed by a rebound to 7-5 or 8-4 seasons in 2016, 2017, and 2018 - then they are fired.
Depending on the buyout in his contract I could see Franklin gone after the 2016 season if he has a losing season this year and next.
I can't see PSU firing a coach after three seasons, especially after investing so much money in him.
This is a big test for Coach. To be a good CEO you have to make tough decisions. Analyze the problem and address it.
The best that the offense has looked under Franklin was against UCF (500 yards total offense) when he used O'Brien's system 100%. Since then, the offense has looked worse and worse as Franklin has installed his system.
It is really not about spending the money; rather, it is about administrators not wanting to look like they are fickle with big decisions. If they give a guy four or five years they can say they gave him a full recruiting cycle to prove himself. It is a no risk move in their minds. If he turns it around, they look good for having patience. If he doesn't, they get to make a change without eating a large buyout.
Sounds like we hired Rich Rod........
What's the over / under for Franklin to start crying?
We'll never know, but I'm betting OB would have got more out of this squad than Franklin will.
That was last year's excuse, and I fell for it. But they are beyond abysmal on offense and they have plenty of talent and speed. They have good backs; great TE's; and fast WR all over the place. No way they should be that f***** pathetic. It is on the coaches and it is clear to me at this point that Donovan has no idea what he should be doing with these guys.
I agree. Hackenberg looks horrible, but so does the entire offense. They need to make some tough decisions regarding Hackenberg as well as the offensive staff and their entire approach.
Dude...it's Temple! How many 4* players do they have on the roster compared to us. How much more talent do you think they have? We were out coached...plain and simple.
I totally agree on the BS that FLO pulled and will add that FLO totally took advantage of Hackenberg by recruiting him and then flying off to the NFL. Hackenberg has been a disappointment but I must give the guy credit. He could have joined the parade to another school after the sanctions came down but he chose to stick it out and he is now paying the price for that choice.
Franklin's team loses their opener - and badly, in a beatdown - after an entire off-season to rectify issues that were painfully obvious last year. The injuries I can kinda see as bad luck, give him that (they should have a solid backup plan, but yeah, they're thin at the positions...), but Temple's D shut PSU down after PSU's 2nd score and there was no adjustment in the 2nd half to counter what Temple was doing.
If Franklin is going to boast about "dominate the state," he has done it so far in recruiting but has to get it done on the field as well. Until he does I see no reason to "ease off." Franklin is head coach and he's accountable for the failures as well as the successes.
If Franklin is going to boast about "dominate the state," he has done it so far in recruiting but has to get it done on the field as well. Until he does I see no reason to "ease off." Franklin is head coach and he's accountable for the failures as well as the successes.
Ummm, they didn't shut them down after the 2nd score - our QB bailed their defense out with an awful throw on an easy 6 points that would have given us a 17-0 lead.
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