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I think Hyundai’s top end is more luxurious than Kia but Kia is better with the mid level vehicles.
That said I think Kia just came out with a top end SUV.
Not in initial qualityKIA < Audi Q5
Not in initial qualityKIA < Audi Q5
https://www.autonews.com/article/20...i-top-j-d-power-quality-rankings-for-1st-time
I think Hyundai’s top end is more luxurious than Kia but Kia is better with the mid level vehicles.
That said I think Kia just came out with a top end SUV.
I think Hyundai’s top end is more luxurious than Kia but Kia is better with the mid level vehicles.
That said I think Kia just came out with a top end SUV.
I agree... Kia is definitely not the “ big brother” of the two...
Hyundai outsells Kia 2:1... of the two, H seems to be the trademark with more-premium aspirations, afterall - it was Hyundai that gobbled up Kia about 15yrs ago ... not that Kia is the Harbor Frieght of the two, they’re pretty decent... Kia Stinger is definitely intriguing, even though they’re selling like used tampons
I know that the brands are closer than some might suspect, as the recent engine software recall affects 2011-2018 Hyundai Sonata and Santa Fe/Santa Fe Sports... likewise Kia Optima, Sorento, and Sportage of the same vintage.
I am considering Kia vs Hyundai and other mid sized SUVs.
I understand Kia and Hyundai don’t offer all same platforms.
Is one brand the upscale over other such as Buick over Chevrolet?
Thanks for your input.
The new Hyundai Santa Fe is interesting to me. Although I have to get over “sticker shock.
By the time I equip it as I like it tops 40k with AWD, leather, heated seats, nav. Etc.
I am considering Kia vs Hyundai and other mid sized SUVs.
I understand Kia and Hyundai don’t offer all same platforms.
Is one brand the upscale over other such as Buick over Chevrolet?
Thanks for your input.
The 2 brands share a tremendous amount of parts/features. Many of the same platforms and parts are in use, but not quite to the levelI agree... Kia is definitely not the “ big brother” of the two...
Hyundai outsells Kia 2:1... of the two, H seems to be the trademark with more-premium aspirations, afterall - it was Hyundai that gobbled up Kia about 15yrs ago ... not that Kia is the Harbor Frieght of the two, they’re pretty decent... Kia Stinger is definitely intriguing, even though they’re selling like used tampons
I know that the brands are closer than some might suspect, as the recent engine software recall affects 2011-2018 Hyundai Sonata and Santa Fe/Santa Fe Sports... likewise Kia Optima, Sorento, and Sportage of the same vintage.
The 2 brands share a tremendous amount of parts/features. Many of the same platforms and parts are in use, but not quite to the level
of 80’s GM badge engineering.
I personally recommend Mazda. Tremendously value for the price. Lots of tech, and one of the best driving experiences in the industry.
I agree, I’m a Mazda guy... over the years i have put at least five people who were shopping CRV/Rav4 into Cx-5’s (hell, I believe one is on this board) and not one regretted it... i did not like the last (recently discontinued/replaced) Mazda3, however... even the hatchback .... and that’s coming from a longroof guy... Mazda will be unveiling some sort of new small crossover with the holy grail SkyActiv-X engine in the coming weeks...
What did you not like about the Mazda3? I own two -- the 2013 and 2014, both Grand Touring hatchbacks but the 14 is the S-version with the stronger engine. So I've got the last year and the first year after the redesign. I like both cars. Not a problem with either so far. The S gets almost as much gas mileage with the newer engine while delivering a lot more power. Both are fun to drive, but the 14 handles a little better with the firmer ride.
I don't understand the SUV craze, even in states where there is no snow. Most aren't driving off-road, and most aren't buying SUVs for all-wheel drive. When I ask why one would take such a hit on fuel economy and handling to gain a little more volume (most of which isn't useable) the explanations seem to come down to ease of entry/exit. It seems Americans have become incredibly overweight and lazy -- to the point of spending huge sums over the life of their vehicles so they don't have to bend over.
I didn't want to join the SUV brigade and am my second VW Sportswagen. Second was free with money back after traded in the dirty diesel. Miss the torque of the diesel. Also, one of the few cars you can get fully loaded with a stick.Well, what do you expect when you’re shopping in the hottest retail segment there is? That’s among many reasons I would not bother with a crossover when I was in the market recently... overpriced... all of them...
two months ago I bought my wife a brand new fully loaded Golf Sportwagen for $21k (sticker = $29k) mostly because nobody else but me and about 20 other kooks wanted one.... drives wayyyyyyyy better than a CRV or a RAV4, with the same utility... that being said, the new VW Tiguan (which shares the same, excellent MQB platform) is selling very well for VW and are pretty reasonable as far as SUV/Crossovers go these days, with a great warranty... Base models start at $25k... fully loaded Tiguan SELs are around $32k...
For me the choice to go to an SUV is more about safety than anything. Having been rear-ended a few years ago (totaling my Impala by a douche answering his phone) I feel compelled to get the safest, largest vehicle I can afford anymore. For weeks after the crash, and even to this day, I'm pretty neurotic about speeding vehicles coming up behind me. Would love to be in a sedan or sportswagon but right now I just want to be in clear sight on the road.What did you not like about the Mazda3? I own two -- the 2013 and 2014, both Grand Touring hatchbacks but the 14 is the S-version with the stronger engine. So I've got the last year and the first year after the redesign. I like both cars. Not a problem with either so far. The S gets almost as much gas mileage with the newer engine while delivering a lot more power. Both are fun to drive, but the 14 handles a little better with the firmer ride.
I don't understand the SUV craze, even in states where there is no snow. Most aren't driving off-road, and most aren't buying SUVs for all-wheel drive. When I ask why one would take such a hit on fuel economy and handling to gain a little more volume (most of which isn't useable) the explanations seem to come down to ease of entry/exit. It seems Americans have become incredibly overweight and lazy -- to the point of spending huge sums over the life of their vehicles so they don't have to bend over.
For me the choice to go to an SUV is more about safety than anything. Having been rear-ended a few years ago (totaling my Impala by a douche answering his phone) I feel compelled to get the safest, largest vehicle I can afford anymore. For weeks after the crash, and even to this day, I'm pretty neurotic about speeding vehicles coming up behind me. Would love to be in a sedan or sportswagon but right now I just want to be in clear sight on the road.What did you not like about the Mazda3? I own two -- the 2013 and 2014, both Grand Touring hatchbacks but the 14 is the S-version with the stronger engine. So I've got the last year and the first year after the redesign. I like both cars. Not a problem with either so far. The S gets almost as much gas mileage with the newer engine while delivering a lot more power. Both are fun to drive, but the 14 handles a little better with the firmer ride.
I don't understand the SUV craze, even in states where there is no snow. Most aren't driving off-road, and most aren't buying SUVs for all-wheel drive. When I ask why one would take such a hit on fuel economy and handling to gain a little more volume (most of which isn't useable) the explanations seem to come down to ease of entry/exit. It seems Americans have become incredibly overweight and lazy -- to the point of spending huge sums over the life of their vehicles so they don't have to bend over.
For me the choice to go to an SUV is more about safety than anything. Having been rear-ended a few years ago (totaling my Impala by a douche answering his phone) I feel compelled to get the safest, largest vehicle I can afford anymore. For weeks after the crash, and even to this day, I'm pretty neurotic about speeding vehicles coming up behind me. Would love to be in a sedan or sportswagon but right now I just want to be in clear sight on the road.What did you not like about the Mazda3? I own two -- the 2013 and 2014, both Grand Touring hatchbacks but the 14 is the S-version with the stronger engine. So I've got the last year and the first year after the redesign. I like both cars. Not a problem with either so far. The S gets almost as much gas mileage with the newer engine while delivering a lot more power. Both are fun to drive, but the 14 handles a little better with the firmer ride.
I don't understand the SUV craze, even in states where there is no snow. Most aren't driving off-road, and most aren't buying SUVs for all-wheel drive. When I ask why one would take such a hit on fuel economy and handling to gain a little more volume (most of which isn't useable) the explanations seem to come down to ease of entry/exit. It seems Americans have become incredibly overweight and lazy -- to the point of spending huge sums over the life of their vehicles so they don't have to bend over.
I haven’t been through every post in this thread....but what about a Highlander?Thanks once again for the replies. I am interested in Mazda as suggested above based on reviews.
However it seems one CX SUV model is to small, similar in size to the RAV4 or Nissan Rouge, the other CX-9 too large. ( wife won’t drive it).
Women, can’t live with them, cant live without them
I just can't get myself to think positively about Kia. It's not the product, but the name. To me KIA means Killed In Action and I feel that they doubled down by calling one of their cars Soul.
Don’t.
It’s syphilis or gonorrhea.
Don’t.
It’s syphilis or gonorrhea.
I gotta agree with this. You dont want either. The people I know that have a hyundia regret ever buying one. Total garbage and falling apart. Literally. I know someone whose visors have broken, door handles continuously fall off, transmission is messed up, AC broke 3 times and was a SOB to get fixed under warranty plus many other issues.
There was another thread like this where I gave details about my Hyundai experience. It was met with Hyundai fan boys who loved to tout the latest reliability and quality ratings.I gotta agree with this. You dont want either. The people I know that have a hyundia regret ever buying one. Total garbage and falling apart. Literally. I know someone whose visors have broken, door handles continuously fall off, transmission is messed up, AC broke 3 times and was a SOB to get fixed under warranty plus many other issues.
I gotta agree with this. You dont want either. The people I know that have a hyundia regret ever buying one. Total garbage and falling apart. Literally. I know someone whose visors have broken, door handles continuously fall off, transmission is messed up, AC broke 3 times and was a SOB to get fixed under warranty plus many other issues.
Honda Pilot. That is all.
Honda Pilot. That is all.
I thought of Honda Pilot but it is too big for the wife.
I understand the nav system doesn’t receive good reviews.
Honda Pilot. That is all.
For me the choice to go to an SUV is more about safety than anything. Having been rear-ended a few years ago (totaling my Impala by a douche answering his phone) I feel compelled to get the safest, largest vehicle I can afford anymore. For weeks after the crash, and even to this day, I'm pretty neurotic about speeding vehicles coming up behind me. Would love to be in a sedan or sportswagon but right now I just want to be in clear sight on the road.