just met a retired coach from Texas HS - with good view of Big 12

[blion72]

this guy just retired and coached HS in west Texas and also had career in D3 college in Kansas and Nebraska. he had some interesting insight into how the Big 12 teams migrated from wishbone option running games to spread. He talked about Texas Tech and Mike Leach as well as Baylor leading the migration to spread. he also said that all the teams tended to lose defensive play as the moved to a basketball high tempo scoring style.

his view of DEF is 3 and out period. his motto = "if you don't want to wear down then don't let the other guy move the chains all day". he said, just because you score fast doesn't mean you need to let the other guy drive the field and move the chains relentlessly. just because you score fast, it shouldn't follow your DEF has to let the other guy keep the ball all day by moving the chains. thought this was an interesting view by guy about 80 yrs old.

 

[Obliviax]

this guy just retired and coached HS in west Texas and also had career in D3 college in Kansas and Nebraska. he had some interesting insight into how the Big 12 teams migrated from wishbone option running games to spread. He talked about Texas Tech and Mike Leach as well as Baylor leading the migration to spread. he also said that all the teams tended to lose defensive play as the moved to a basketball high tempo scoring style.

his view of DEF is 3 and out period. his motto = "if you don't want to wear down then don't let the other guy move the chains all day". he said, just because you score fast doesn't mean you need to let the other guy drive the field and move the chains relentlessly. just because you score fast, it shouldn't follow your DEF has to let the other guy keep the ball all day by moving the chains. thought this was an interesting view by guy about 80 yrs old.

That's interesting. We were told to expect an up tempo offense under moorhead, with defenders throwing up, but we haven't seen that. Are we slowing down the hurry up to save our D?

In addition, the games we've lost under moorhead are four: we gave up 42 to Pitt, 49 to Michigan, and 52 to USC. This year we gave up 39 to tOSU. That is an average of 45.5 points per loss.

I've always thought that the best defense is a good offense. But when we went into our shell against USC and tOSU this year, we lost. The only way to beat those good teams is to score at all times no matter the lead.

 

[anon_1eeb2b426hv3y]

That's interesting. We were told to expect an up tempo offense under moorhead, with defenders throwing up, but we haven't seen that. Are we slowing down the hurry up to save our D?

In addition, the games we've lost under moorhead are three: we gave up 42 to Pitt, 49 to Michigan, and 52 to USC. This year we gave up 39 to tOSU. That is an average of 45.5 points per loss.

I've always thought that the best defense is a good offense. But when we went into our shell against USC and tOSU this year, we lost. The only way to beat those good teams is to score at all times no matter the lead.

Keep scoring to win games. Got it.
(TIC)

 

[Art]

Keep scoring to win games. Got it.
(TIC)

And don't let the other team score, to complete the formula for winning.

 

[blion72]

That's interesting. We were told to expect an up tempo offense under moorhead, with defenders throwing up, but we haven't seen that. Are we slowing down the hurry up to save our D?

In addition, the games we've lost under moorhead are four: we gave up 42 to Pitt, 49 to Michigan, and 52 to USC. This year we gave up 39 to tOSU. That is an average of 45.5 points per loss.

I've always thought that the best defense is a good offense. But when we went into our shell against USC and tOSU this year, we lost. The only way to beat those good teams is to score at all times no matter the lead.

was talking to this guy on a plane, and have to say the other guy in the seats with us was listening too. the old dude's theory seemed to be that the Big 12 teams when they ran triple option running games played brutal defense in practice, but when they went spread the practices changed. he thinks they lost toughness due to practice style + when the entire conference went in same direction nobody was practicing tackling like they did when it was power running teams.

he called it the pussification of football - so leads the Big 12 teams giving up relentless move the chains TOP to team that have power running. BTW he is a Longhorns fan so really did not like where they have gone. he looks as a stat which is the ratio of your 3rd down conversion rate to the opponents 3rd down conversion rate. as long as you are +/- 10% on that ratio you are fine, but fall outside those limits and you have issues.

 

[anon_1eeb2b426hv3y]

And don't let the other team score, to complete the formula for winning.

Somebody had better call CJF.... with this, it’s all becoming so clear...

Have a great weekend everybody.

 

[PaFootbalGuy]

The triple option wishbone offense was/is a gadget and finesse offense. Much harder for a lineman to block a pro style running game than the TO.

If there is any trend here, it's that the Big 12 teams tend to run the popular offense of the era. Also I think Big 12 defenses are just bad. They also give up tons of points to opponents who run the exact same offense they do.

 

[coveydidnt]

So wait, if the offense and defense are good, then you have a better chance to win? Who knew?

And on Offense, keep moving the chains. On Defense, stop the other guy from moving the chains. This guy knows his stuff.

It's probably also a good idea to have better results on special teams than the opponents. Just for safety's sake. Wouldn't want a blocked field goal returned for a TD to blow the whole game, for example.

 

[Nittany Ziggy]

And don't let the other team score, to complete the formula for winning.

Thanks Art. Aside from your revolutionary "buy low; sell high" post on the old board, this is pure genius.

 

[Nittany Ziggy]

So wait, if the offense and defense are good, then you have a better chance to win? Who knew?

And on Offense, keep moving the chains. On Defense, stop the other guy from moving the chains. This guy knows his stuff.

It's probably also a good idea to have better results on special teams than the opponents. Just for safety's sake. Wouldn't want a blocked field goal returned for a TD to blow the whole game, for example.

Your sarcasm sucks.

 

[Cosmos]

Your sarcasm sucks.

As if yours is any better.

 

[blion72]

So wait, if the offense and defense are good, then you have a better chance to win? Who knew?

And on Offense, keep moving the chains. On Defense, stop the other guy from moving the chains. This guy knows his stuff.

It's probably also a good idea to have better results on special teams than the opponents. Just for safety's sake. Wouldn't want a blocked field goal returned for a TD to blow the whole game, for example.

what i got out of his view was simply that just because you have a fast strike OFF, it shouldnt mean that your DEF will be tired and TOP will be lopsided against you. having watched these B12 teams he thinks that they dont practice DEF in a way that teaches them to play tough. so when they play a traditional running team they wind up getting the chains moved on them and lose TOP. i think his observation was a little more subtle.

 

[Art]

Thanks Art. Aside from your revolutionary "buy low; sell high" post on the old board, this is pure genius.

Hmmm, maybe I should have devoted my talents to coaching football.

 

[ThePennsyOracle]

Score more points than the other team.

IDGAF how they do it.