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If Franklin were to leave, who is on your list to replace him?

He isn't willingly leaving an NFL job for a college job. The only ones in recent memory (that I can think of) who did that were Saban leaving Dolphins for Alabama and Petrino leaving Falcons for Arkansas. I'd take Petrino out of this since he was proven to be a head case. Rhule ain't Saban and PSU ain't Bama (in terms of boosters pressure).
I'd argue Harbaugh effectively left San Fran for Michigan. He wanted the GM powers and they wouldn't give it to him. So they mutually parted ways and 2 days later he had the Michigan job.

Now all that said--I just looked up Rhule's contract and he's locked in for $60M through 2027 at $8.6M per year. So yeah you're right, he's probably not an option.
 
Go right to Dave Clawson. To me, not even debateable. Guy has left Fordam, BGSU, Richmond with 10-11 w seasons and now has WF undefeated for first time in 80 years. He is from upstate NY and no allegiance to other BT programs. He is only 54 so energy is still there. Watch Wake and tell me not impressed with QB play and offensive execution. I would not feel bad at all if Franklin leaves and Dave comes in. The cupboard is not bare and he does wonders in competitve conference with lesser talent. PSU would open up so many more possibilties for him to utilize skill players.
Winning in the ACC isn’t like winning in the Big.
 
The more I think about this the only name that gives any tingle factor at all is Fickel. Because he show's he can coach . More with less. That's the kind of hire we need in IMIO (In my ignorant opinion).
 
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Winning in the ACC isn’t like winning in the Big.
Wake is not exactly raking in top recruits so I would say his level of winning is pretty impressive. He beat Memphis and Texas A&M in bowl games. His offense destroyed Wisconsin last year to tune of over 518 yards vs 266. He does not have defensive talent at all. I would say watch Army game from this weekend and see how they execute offensively. Great mixture of running/passing. Can score multiple ways and QB in absolute control. They put up 70 on army. I think with defensive talent upgrade at PSU, it would be a great fit.
 
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The answer is obvious: Vicki Triponey. She knows just how to handle college football players.
 
Wake is not exactly raking in top recruits so I would say his level of winning is pretty impressive. He beat Memphis and Texas A&M in bowl games. His offense destroyed Wisconsin last year to tune of over 518 yards vs 266. He does not have defensive talent at all. I would say watch Army game from this weekend and see how they execute offensively. Great mixture of running/passing. Can score multiple ways and QB in absolute control. They put up 70 on army. I think with defensive talent upgrade at PSU, it would be a great fit.
Do you think he could recruit at a level anywhere near what OSU is doing?
 
His interim time at OSU was an absolute disaster. And as these other coaches proved, winning at the G5 level rarely translates to success at the P5 level. Fickell will be a career 7-5 guy.

Certainly can't guarantee that Fickell would succeed at a high P5 job.

But in his defense, that 2011 season was strange -- he inherited the job late, had a bunch of players suspended or transferred, and had little time to create his own style or culture.

And other than a ~20 point loss to Miami, his losses were by 3, 7, 3, 6, 6, and 7 points -- against good competition.
He was an elite level DC at OSU, and is doing a terrific job at Cincinnati.

Personally, I think he'd be a tremendous hire, even if there's the risk of him bolting for OSU if Day leaves. But then, I thought Frost would be a success at Nebraska. You just never know for sure.
 
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OB is doing time at Bama; he'll likely leave for something better soon. How long is Tom Herman's purgatory? He had back to back top five recruiting classes before getting the boot. My sense is he's going to try to get back to Texas (Tech?), but still - he's a good coach.
 
Certainly can't guarantee that Fickell would succeed at a high P5 job.

But in his defense, that 2011 season was strange -- he inherited the job late, had a bunch of players suspended or transferred, and had little time to create his own style or culture.

And other than a ~20 point loss to Miami, his losses were by 3, 7, 3, 6, 6, and 7 points -- against good competition.
He was an elite level DC at OSU, and is doing a terrific job at Cincinnati.

Personally, I think he'd be a tremendous hire, even if there's the risk of him bolting for OSU if Day leaves. But then, I thought Frost would be a success at Nebraska. You just never know for sure.
I’m a big fan of go with what you know.
 
The thing I don't like is JF insists when kids commit to PSU that they are family and married. No flirting anymore or visiting. Yet he refuses to come out and say I am at PSU forever. This is my dream job and I have no plans of ever going any where else. To me what he requires of recruits he doesn't ask of himself.

Rules for thee not for me.
 
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If you‘re Fight On State, you wouldn’t take urban?
Sexton May lead Franklin back to the SEC to LSU as it’s unlikely PSU would get into a bidding war with him and LSU would outbid USC. Fickell would be a good choice but I think I might prefer Shiano. Ruhle would never leave the NFL and OB wound not come back to PSU. I’m still thinking that if Franklin leaves that we hire another black coach to replace him but I don’t know who that might be.

Here is a list of the current black coaches in Div1 college football:


Huff would be interesting as he’s been at PSU before.

#CoachSchoolConference
1.Dino BabersSyracuseACC
2.James FranklinPenn StateBig Ten
3.David ShawStanfordPac 12
4.Willie TaggartFlorida AtlanticUSA
5.Herm EdwardsArizona StatePac 12
6.Mel TuckerMichigan StateBig Ten
7.Mike LocksleyMarylandBig Ten
8.Thomas HammockNorthern IllinoisMAC
9.Jimmy LakeWashingtonPac 12
10.Jay NorvellNevadaMountain West
11.Karl DorrellColoradoPac 12
12.Charles HuffMarshall
 
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The thing I don't like is JF insists when kids commit to PSU that they are family and married. No flirting anymore or visiting. Yet he refuses to come out and say I am at PSU forever. This is my dream job and I have no plans of ever going any where else. To me what he requires of recruits he doesn't ask of himself.
There is a difference though, kids go on recruiting visits and post those things publicly

Speculation on other jobs isn’t from James, it’s the media

but why shut down a bargaining chip if behind the scenes he is negotiating for more money to keep assistants?
 
There is a difference though, kids go on recruiting visits and post those things publicly

Speculation on other jobs isn’t from James, it’s the media

but why shut down a bargaining chip if behind the scenes he is negotiating for more money to keep assistants?
1. Recruits don't have an agent behind the scenes pulling the strings. I bet we would be shocked how much communication there has been between USC/LSU and Sexton and thus Franklin.

2. I would say back to back marginally bad years takes away the negotiating aspect.

3. What assistant is he fighting to keep because of money? Maybe Yurcich......I'm pretty sure the rest of the staff is replaceable.
 
Sexton May lead Franklin back to the SEC to LSU as it’s unlikely PSU would get into a bidding war with him and LSU would outbid USC. Fickell would be a good choice but I think I might prefer Shiano. Ruhle would never leave the NFL and OB wound not come back to PSU. I’m still thinking that if Franklin leaves that we hire another black coach to replace him but I don’t know who that might be.

Here is a list of the current black coaches in Div1 college football:


Huff would be interesting as he’s been at PSU before.

#CoachSchoolConference
1.Dino BabersSyracuseACC
2.James FranklinPenn StateBig Ten
3.David ShawStanfordPac 12
4.Willie TaggartFlorida AtlanticUSA
5.Herm EdwardsArizona StatePac 12
6.Mel TuckerMichigan StateBig Ten
7.Mike LocksleyMarylandBig Ten
8.Thomas HammockNorthern IllinoisMAC
9.Jimmy LakeWashingtonPac 12
10.Jay NorvellNevadaMountain West
11.Karl DorrellColoradoPac 12
12.Charles HuffMarshall
Well the people here at Marshall might be happy for you to take Huff off of their hands. He's is 4 -3 and should be 7-0 without breaking a sweat. He had a 17 point lead with 7 mins to go vs ECU? and blew that game, and he had an 11 point lead in the 4th quarter vs App State and blew that game. He then went to Middle Tennessee as about a 25 point favorite and lost straight up as his team didnt show up. He did take ODU vs RR to OT and get a win though.
 
Luke Fickell or Matt Campbell. Both are upgrades over Franklin
Matt Campbell…40-30 in the Big 12 with one 9 win season….yeah, we’d be better off. Almost all of the “hot” G5 coaches, like Fickell, end up pretty average when they get a P5 job.
 
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Matt Campbell…40-30 in the Big 12 with one 9 win season….yeah, we’d be better off. Almost all of the “hot” G5 coaches, like Fickell, end up pretty average when they get a P5 job.

Maybe they should just stick to their G spot.
 
Matt Campbell…40-30 in the Big 12 with one 9 win season….yeah, we’d be better off. Almost all of the “hot” G5 coaches, like Fickell, end up pretty average when they get a P5 job.
Matt Campbell was 2-7 in the Big 12 his first year and has had a winning conference record ever since. ISU won 8 games combined in their last 3 seasons before Campbell arrived. It's a bit tougher to judge coaches on their first few seasons when they take over a program in a state of disarray (see JF), but otherwise, I agree with your overall point
 
Matt Campbell was 2-7 in the Big 12 his first year and has had a winning conference record ever since. ISU won 8 games combined in their last 3 seasons before Campbell arrived. It's a bit tougher to judge coaches on their first few seasons when they take over a program in a state of disarray (see JF), but otherwise, I agree with your overall point
And he lost two of their first four games as a highly ranked team this year.
 
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Trust the Process:

1. Franklin is a bum. Fire him.

2. Refer to your hot list of coaches, all of whom are undoubtedly better than Franklin, including the up and comers.

3. Choose the one you want because he will definitely want to come to Penn State and stay forever.

4. Sit back and enjoy life as the wins keep on comin’. Bask in the glory of a job well done. Penn State betters bama in football and Harvard in academics.

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And he lost two of their first four games as a highly ranked team this year.
I know, but he still has a solid shot at finishing 9-3 and making his way to the B12 championship game. At the end of the day, you have to remember that it’s Iowa State. I say the same to those who try to discredit JF’s records at Vandy because “he didn’t beat any good teams”.
 
I know, but he still has a solid shot at finishing 9-3 and making his way to the B12 championship game. At the end of the day, you have to remember that it’s Iowa State. I say the same to those who try to discredit JF’s records at Vandy because “he didn’t beat any good teams”.
He’s done a nice job there, but building a program to respectability is different than taking a program to the OSU or Bama level….I’m not sure he’s the guy from a recruiting standpoint.
 
He’s done a nice job there, but building a program to respectability is different than taking a program to the OSU or Bama level….I’m not sure he’s the guy from a recruiting standpoint.

What if we retain Franklin to recruit the Jimmys and the Joes and one of us takes over the X’s and the O’s?
 
What if we retain Franklin to recruit the Jimmys and the Joes and one of us takes over the X’s and the O’s?
That certainly would be the answer. Some of these guys are masters at Madden Football, so it would be easy.
 
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He’s done a nice job there, but building a program to respectability is different than taking a program to the OSU or Bama level….I’m not sure he’s the guy from a recruiting standpoint.
I agree. I'm certainly not in the mindset that things would improve if JF were to depart. I also don't think we're getting to the OSU or Bama level regardless.
 
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