The truth hurts, eh?
I think when you finally get to the schools that would have interest in Franklin he would not be interested in them because the PSU gig is better or relatively equal. I think he punches way below his pay grade. These ADs doing the hiring are not dumb and they see Franklin tends to do less with better talent than most schools.
Joe bested the toughest schedule in the nation during his long tenure. He won more games against top competition, on the road in one year than Frankin did in his entire career. So there is that.
Joe won big games. He was the best coach in college football for at least a decade and a half and won two nattys. He did it without ever breaking any rules and producing teams who had real student athletes that had strong academic records. Many of his contemporaries were doing NIL before it was legal and didn't care if all their players took basket weaving and never graduated.
Agreed. Actually. We shall see...gonna look awful crappy for Dart and those receivers who all decided to stay.
Yep, 1000%. But, u know Voltz, he is a total JF fanboy who can't take any criticism of his guy. Must be on JF's payroll or something.
Bama’s coaching “failures” were quite different than what you’re saying ours is…three coaches in 10 years with multiple losing seasons and 6-6 seasons isn’t exactly like what you consider a failure is for us.
+1. He was high on the "short list" for USC and LSU during his last contract negotiation. Believed by some.
There is absolutely not one sliver of evidence that Franklin’s agent is doing anything, but keep making stuff up to fit your narrative.
These JF fanboys are ridiculous. Every excuse under the sun for sweeping all these big game losses under the rug. Name of the game is to deliver results.
Thank you for confirming you are content with being 2nd tier and hoping for an annual miracle (or maybe a 25yo with a video camera?)
How dare people support the coach of the program they follow…what a horrible thing to do in life. Real fans spend all their time trashing the coach and degrading him as much as possible. That’s what being a true fan is all about.
When you don't win or succeed in critical games then you are criticized. It is not all kittens and rainbows. This is a results business. Same thing in business. Think about it...If JF was a VP of Marketing at a company and he had 12 new product launches to oversee in a given year. With the two most important launches he screwed them up and they lost money which significantly hurt the bottom line of the company. Do you think the Board of Directors would be happy with his performance? Hell No!! In fact, he would be canned yet this guy has a guaranteed $70 million on the way no matter how he performs. Ridiculous.
Shall we revisit how you talk about the basketball coaches?
Unless successfully getting 10 out of 12 was far better than the majority of other marketing VP’s we’re getting and was equal to or better than your previous VP got for the past 30 years and the company was thriving and pulling in big bucks because of the VP. And I’m not sure how you can say losing those two games seriously hurt the bottom line of the university.
Please, let’s do that. Please find me one negative thing I ever posted about Bruce Parkhill, Jerry Dunn, Ed DeChellis, Jim Ferry, Micah Shrewsberry or Mike Rhoades….I’ll wait. As far as Pat Chambers, my criticism with him was more of a criticism of other posters who talked about how great he was and how much better he was than Dunn or DeChellis when both Dunn and DeChellis had better results in terms of getting us to the tournament. I don’t expect much out of our basketball team…a tournament appearance every five years or so….Chambers wasn’t doing that, but once he would have made it in 2020, I was fine with him staying, but he got fired. Much of my criticism about the basketball team has been and usually does revolve around how the players are playing….unlike posters on here, I realize the players have far more to do with winning and losing than the coach. So if I criticize how the team played, it’s not a criticism of the coach.
That's a rich criticism coming from you 🤦🤦
Come on man. We had a whole conversation about a BB game where PSU was up 12 pts early and you made a post trashing chambers.
No, the company was expecting all 12 to hit and bare minimum was 11 of 12 and all the key competitors did that so the Marketing VP failed. PSU's bottom line would be improved by halving Franklin's salary.
Understand your analogy but that's assuming overall profit and PM have not improved within the athletic department...I hate losing . But my bet is that our athletic department's financial success and security..while funding so many non revenue generating sports ( let alone a basketball program that is not close to contributing to what others in the Big 10 do) ...has improved YOY ( sans covid ) mainly through the success of our football program and James Franklin within the last 10 years. Again I hate losing these big games..frustrating as hell...but something is working...
Truly excellent post, agree with it all. And, Voltz always refers back to Joe as a comparison of JF. I mean what a myopic and dumb way to make comparisons -- and that applies to any sport, franchise, program, etc. The game changes, schedules are different, the whole structure of a given sport is vastly different than decades ago. But, that's all he knows how to argue.
Saban and Smart drastically changed what expectations are in this era. Joe was fortunate to coach when he did because down seasons wouldn't have been tolerated.
Yup. Several national championships and undefeated seasons at Wisconsin Whitewater. He’s the top of my list….snd make no mistake….many, many other teams. We just took his long time OC. Not a surprise.
Agreed. It is much harder to grow a program than to sustain a successful program. Buffalo and Kansas don't have the fan base, resulting in lacking facilities, to sustain. So it takes several years, if not decades, to move a program up. Even Harbaugh (and Franklin) didn't have shitty fan bases and/or facilities. They both enjoy 100k+ every home game and substantial TV revenues.
He does a lot of things right and I don't doubt the athletic department financials are fine because of football which he is accountable for.
You better believe it. Alabama was 113-80 in the previous 17 years before Saban - that's a 59% ratio
I truly believe a more than average portion of our fan base has been conditioned to defend coaches, regardless of performance, as a result of the Paterno era, while others are not this way.
Not sure why they defend him so vehemently. It's not like he's their son or related to them. Gotta look at his performance objectively.
I don't quite understand it either but it's there. Our fan base disproportionately supports what most other elite programs disdain.
