Highrise condo collapes on Collins Ave in Surfside-Miami

[Delco Lion]

Looks horrific.

Search continues with almost 100 people unaccounted for in deadly Florida building collapse

An intense search and rescue effort will continue through the night after part of a 12-story residential building collapsed early Thursday in the South Florida town of Surfside, killing at least one and leaving almost 100 people unaccounted for.

www.cnn.com

 

[MtNittany]

 

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[MtNittany]

My guess would be salt air corroding rebar. Fortunate it's probably mostly seasonal residences.

 

[PSU87]

My guess would be salt air corroding rebar. Fortunate it's probably mostly seasonal residences.

Agree. See it all the time on the beachfront condos...especially the balconies.

 

[Thus Spoke Mainer]

 

[DavidM]

How about a possible sinkhole situation? Seems like a foundation issue would be a strong possibility.

 

[BobPSU92]

Whether it’s corroding rebar, a sinkhole, or something else, I‘m sure people in neighboring apartment buildings are plenty concerned about it happening to them now. Time to ramp up facility and site inspections.

 

[wilbury]

How about a possible sinkhole situation? Seems like a foundation issue would be a strong possibility.

Agreed. I think a sink hole is a strong possibility.

 

[BobPSU92]

How about a possible sinkhole situation? Seems like a foundation issue would be a strong possibility.

It‘s being described as a “partial collapse”. From the pictures I’ve seen, it doesn’t appear to be a sinkhole.

 

[bwifan]

If the video I have seen is real and there were people inside there will be a lot of deaths coming forward. Hopefully either the video is fake or these residences were unoccupied ...

 

[MtNittany]

Agreed. I think a sink hole is a strong possibility.

 

[BobPSU92]

So not Miami. Thanks.

 

[bwifan]

Spalling might be another contributing factor.

 

[drew16]

When the Dean of the Penn State Medical School, Dr. Harry Prystowski , retired, he and his wife bought a condo in this building. His wife had two sisters in Miami/ Coral Gables/ Coconut Grove, married to high achievers. A top attorney at Greenberg, Traurig, and a major architect who developed many buildings and shopping centers in Coconut Grove.

Unfortunately, Harry died many years ago. A wonderful, charming gentleman

 

[interrobang]

If the video I have seen is real and there were people inside there will be a lot of deaths coming forward. Hopefully either the video is fake or these residences were unoccupied ...

One person on twitter (yeah I know that means a lot) suggested that building has a lot of seasonal residents, so it's possible it'd be less occupied now than it would during the winter.

 

[bwifan]

One person on twitter (yeah I know that means a lot) suggested that building has a lot of seasonal residents, so it's possible it'd be less occupied now than it would during the winter.

Looks like the video is real.... just crazy literally half the building collapses. Looks almost like the building was demo'd with explosives. First the middle section completely collapses then the 1 outside section collapses inward right on top of it....

Video link...
Building collapses

 

[MtNittany]

 

[interrobang]

Man, to be the people on that outside part of the building. At least the people on the inside had no chance to react with any fear.

 

[BlueBand]

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That came down better than some of the buildings they bring down emptied with explosives.

 

[bwifan]

Miami Commissioner just said 51 people remain unaccounted for at this time...

 

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Miami Commissioner just said 51 people remain unaccounted for at this time...

Amazing they've only found one deceased so far.

 

[bwifan]

Amazing they've only found one deceased so far.

Not sure how hard they are looking yet at this point, may be seeing if the rest of the building standing is safe to be around before searching

 

[MtNittany]

I'm not sure what's holding the rest of the building up at this point. It wouldn't surprise me if it collapsed. I wouldn't want to be search and rescue right now. Very dangerous.

 

[BobPSU92]

Not sure how hard they are looking yet at this point, may be seeing if the rest of the building standing is safe to be around before searching

I also read that storms there today could limit search and rescue.

 

[interrobang]

Not sure how hard they are looking yet at this point, may be seeing if the rest of the building standing is safe to be around before searching

They found 35 survivors though

 

[bwifan]

I also read that storms there today could limit search and rescue.

I am just north of Ft Lauderdale and its storming here big time with lightning and rain

 

[bwifan]

Local news just had a lady on who was on the 9th floor and said she heard the rumble in bed got up and opened up her door and literally 2 yards in front of her was all open air.... takes 1 step and she falls to the ground ... was picked off her balcony by fire company cherry picker

 

[bwifan]

I'm not sure what's holding the rest of the building up at this point. It wouldn't surprise me if it collapsed. I wouldn't want to be search and rescue right now. Very dangerous.

Yeah all the live coverage I am seeing is from helicopters and no one seems to be searching at this point. Looks like just as you say they are trying to determine if its safe to search without that remaining section falling

 

[SLUPSU]

My guess would be salt air corroding rebar. Fortunate it's probably mostly seasonal residences.

This and a combination of the roofing subcontractor overloading the weakened roof structure with stored materials.

 

[step.eng69]

If the video I have seen is real and there were people inside there will be a lot of deaths coming forward. Hopefully either the video is fake or these residences were unoccupied ...

YEP, SADLY I BELIEVE YOU ARE CORRECT.

 

[BW Lion]

This and a combination of the roofing subcontractor overloading the weakened roof structure with stored materials.

Allegedly the building was also undergoing a 40 year recertification.

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/business/biz-monday/article226663404.html

 

[bwifan]

Watching the presser live here ..... amazing 134 units in the building and more than half of them are now completely rubble. To my untrained eye the remaining structure standing is somewhat tilting/leaning but looks like dogs and their handlers are going in places and searching for survivors. Seeing Fire Chief interviewed and there is a real concern with the remaining structure collapsing. They are going off area's ok to search by structural engineers that actually specialize in partially collapsed buildings .... but with winds/rain and based on the engineers recommendations they have started a full search yet. Looking at the remaining structure it would take a big set of brass ones to go in there right now to start looking in the area of collapse for survivors.

 

[JWB389]

That came down better than some of the buildings they bring down emptied with explosives.

Reading this made me think of the 9/11 truthers who believe the towers were purposely imploded. They said they had never seen a building fall like that on its own. Well, now they have.

 

[Erial_Lion]

Reading this made me think of the 9/11 truthers who believe the towers were purposely imploded. They said they had never seen a building fall like that on its own. Well, now they have.

Don’t give them ideas, or it will become proof that this was also intentional.

 

[PSU87]

How about a possible sinkhole situation? Seems like a foundation issue would be a strong possibility.

While certainly possible sinkholes that close to the coast are rare. They are typically caused by the groundwater being depleted. Near the coast if the groundwater is depleted it is replaced by saltwater

 

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[SLUPSU]

More info coming out....

edit: some context.... This story is an engineering version of fear porn. Settlement of millimeters per year can mean absolutely nothing or it could be mildly significant. If all columns are settling at the same rate, that's mean zilch to the structural stability of the building. If one column is settling and all the others aren't then that could be problematic but not to the degree of causing a structure to fail, 2 mm a year for ~30 years, that probably wouldn't get many structural engineers excited. I recall when one of the new dorm buildings for the 96 Olympics settled 7-8 inches in a short period of time, that building is still standing and occupied.

Collapsed Miami condo had been sinking into Earth as early as the 1990s, researchers say

The building had been sinking at an alarming rate - about 2 millimeters a year - according to a 2020 study.

www.yahoo.com

 

[EPC FAN]

Whether it’s corroding rebar, a sinkhole, or something else, I‘m sure people in neighboring apartment buildings are plenty concerned about it happening to them now. Time to ramp up facility and site inspections.

Keep the damn gubment outta bidness. “Caveat emptor, quia ignorare non debuit quod jus alienum emit.”

 

[interrobang]

More info coming out....

Collapsed Miami condo had been sinking into Earth as early as the 1990s, researchers say

The building had been sinking at an alarming rate - about 2 millimeters a year - according to a 2020 study.

www.yahoo.com

That seems as much a red herring as it is a clue into what happened.