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I can't imagine what the mediation was like.
Accuser: Jerry abused me
PSU: How does $1 million sound?
Accuser: Make it $3 million, and no vetting
PSU: OK
Accuser: I want $1 million.
Lubert: How about $2 million. Three if you claim Paterno knew.
Did Joe do enough? Debatable
Did C/S/S do enough? Debatable
Did Joe conspire with many different players, coaches, and administrators for 40 years to cover up for Sandusky? Preposterous!
Yet that's the media narrative fueled by our own BOT's actions.
That is indeed the result of the BOT's actions. They need to own it. Paterno (aka "football") knew precisely that Sandusky was fellating and sodomizing multiple kids for decades, and turned a blind eye in the name of football...
I have never, ever witnessed such a ludicrous proposition that has been sold and bought by millions.... even some that went to PSU.
Penn State may very well win its first court case. Yay team and give someone a raise. Despite my sarcasm about PSU being on losing end and on the wrong side of most issues, I don't think this should be in the public domain, but the alumni trustees should have access. They can raise questions in the appropriate format.
In order to believe the media narrative you would have to believe that Joe:
I could go on and on. It's totally beyond belief but the media looked past all of this because bringing down Joe was what made this a big story. The BOT set it all up by firing Joe without allowing him to speak in his own defense and before any investigation took place. Then they removed all doubt by accepting unprecedented sanctions.
- Knew what JS was doing
- Kept it quiet
- Conspired with many different coaches and administrators to cover it up
- Allowed JS to continue for 40 yrs
- Allowed his own kids and grandkids to play at Sandusky's house
- Somehow got the high school, police, and CPS to give Sandusky a pass
- Got 100s of players and his own family to stay quiet
- Kept MM, his dad, and Dranov from doing more. Same with TSM.
The process and vetting should be open to alumni and other agencies to look into. That is a crap load of money and I never understood how this was anything more than a criminal matter. It was never a PSU matter and it was never a NCAA matter. To this day not one other person from PSU is in jail or has been proven in a court of law to aid or help Jerry hide his sick crap. I was responding to jive in particular who in the past like me has seen the victims names used here because simply they were not raised to be great citizens. People have a misconception that if you aren't screaming for Jerry's new trial that you don't want the truth to come out. That isn't the case with me. I'm all for TSM and the decision makers on the BoT when this went down being looked into.
It seriously looks like there was no vetting. How is that possible?
So why pay anybody who claimed to be abused prior to 2001? The only reason would to get the "victims" to shut up and go away. But they didn't even get that part right. These people have been writing books and going to the press which blows my mind. I think any 1st year law student would put a clause in the settlement agreement stating that PSU does not admit guilt and stipulating that the money must be refunded if the accuser makes any disparaging remarks about PSU or it's agents.
- PSU certainly wouldn't be liable for anything that occurred back in the 1970s.
- The 1998 incident was reported to police and CPS and was dismissed so I can't imagine PSU would be liable for anything that occurred between 1998-2001.
- The only possible liability would be for abuses occurring after 2001.
Imagine the public good that could happen if this "coalition of news outlets" would do that Fourth Estate thing for us citizens out here and demand accountability from...oh....I dunno....perhaps the licensed children's charitable non-profit that was founded, funded and had the face of a Preferential Child Sexual Offender?
The why they paid anyone is a joke. If a postman commits multiple molestations, does the US government shell out millions of dollars? Would Sanyo if it were one of their employees. The geography of a crime is irrelevant IMO, but the school felt differently...not sure why.
Agree....for every molestation after 2001 I can understand a claim that Schultz didn't do enough to prevent them. I don't believe that claim but it is a valid claim as Schultz awaits trial. Anything before 2001 is ridiculous.
Blame no tort reform. Lawyers know they can get money from anyone with deep pockets--so they sue everyone and in a lot of cases a jury will be sympathetic and give a victim money--justified or not. That's why folks and especially companies settle IRL. It's not justice in many cases, but it is the way our system works.
Blame no tort reform. Lawyers know they can get money from anyone with deep pockets--so they sue everyone and in a lot of cases a jury will be sympathetic and give a victim money--justified or not. That's why folks and especially companies settle IRL. It's not justice in many cases, but it is the way our system works.
This has nothing to do with tort reform. It has to do with trustees breaching their fiduciary duty to Penn State.
The "victims" from the 1970s could not have collected in court. Period.
This has nothing to do with tort reform. It has to do with trustees breaching their fiduciary duty to Penn State.
The "victims" from the 1970s could not have collected in court. Period.
Sorry, I disagree. Of course I believe that the Old Guard failed in their responsibilities. But reality is that those "victims" might well *have* found a sympathetic jury--especially given the feelings this kind of crime engenders. You see it all the time in crazy jury civil awards. And the blood-suckers go after who has money not who is really at fault.
Well stated. Guilty with no evidence and the barn door can't be closed once opened so far.In order to believe the media narrative you would have to believe that Joe:
I could go on and on. It's totally beyond belief but the media looked past all of this because bringing down Joe was what made this a big story. The BOT set it all up by firing Joe without allowing him to speak in his own defense and before any investigation took place. Then they removed all doubt by accepting unprecedented sanctions.
- Knew what JS was doing
- Kept it quiet
- Conspired with many different coaches and administrators to cover it up
- Allowed JS to continue for 40 yrs
- Allowed his own kids and grandkids to play at Sandusky's house
- Somehow got the high school, police, and CPS to give Sandusky a pass
- Got 100s of players and his own family to stay quiet
- Kept MM, his dad, and Dranov from doing more. Same with TSM.
Given that the original post I was replying too stated (emphasis mine):No. The cases from the 1970s never would have made it to court.
Period.
http://research.lawyers.com/pennsylvania/pennsylvania-statutes-of-limitations.html
Agree....for every molestation after 2001 I can understand a claim that Schultz didn't do enough to prevent them. I don't believe that claim but it is a valid claim as Schultz awaits trial. Anything before 2001 is ridiculous.
1 - Does the Catholic Church have $$$$?Sorry, I disagree. Of course I believe that the Old Guard failed in their responsibilities. But reality is that those "victims" might well *have* found a sympathetic jury--especially given the feelings this kind of crime engenders. You see it all the time in crazy jury civil awards. And the blood-suckers go after who has money not who is really at fault.
1 - Does the Catholic Church have $$$$?
2 - Might juries be "sympathetic" to those CSA victims?
3 - Was the Catholic Church Leadership found - in court - to be directly responsible for covering up CSA, and aiding and abetting MEMBERS of their Church, in there CAPACITY as leaders of the Church, to continue to abuse EVEN MORE victims?
4 - Where these cases adjudicated in numerous venues across the country?
HINT: The answers to all of the questions is "Yes"
Now, what was the HIGHEST, the absolute HIGHEST award per proven victim of CSA at the hands of Catholic Priests in any venue around the country?
Take a guess..... Please
The answer? Just under $1,000,000 per (in a case in Los Angeles)
The average, nationwide? Just over $100,000 per PROVEN case
And you think it was a prudent move to pay out $3,000,000 per head for "victims" when:
1 - No one at PSU was ever (or likely ever will be) proven to have aided and abetted anyone
2 - The convicted perpetrator (ONE MAN, not some entire demographic) was not acting in his role at PSU, but rather in his role at a regulated, state-governed Youth Charity - - - that he himself, the perpetrator, had FOUNDED
3 - The large majority of the claimants had never proven a case in court. Most - IIRC - had never even so much as filed a criminal complaint
But: The reason PSU paid out 30 X as much per person was out of fear of a "bad jury"?
Yeah.... Right..... that's the ticket
LOL
Which leads me to believe that they are hiding someone or something that is way more fetid and foul - should that sewer cap ever be pried up.
I can't imagine what the mediation was like.
Accuser: Jerry abused me.
PSU: Do you remember details?
Accuser: Yes.
PSU: OK, $2Mil... for $2M more, can you provide those details?
Accuser: Naw.
PSU: OK, we'll split the difference... $3Million ok?
Accuser: Yeah, but I don't hafta testify or take a poly or nuttin.
PSU: We don't want anyh of that kind of thing cluttering up the process. $3M.. sold.
I wonder if they were hiding Ira Lubert wrestling with boys at Sandusky's camp on Ira Lubert's property. Ira Lubert and Sandusky were tight, and Ira Lubert loves wrestling.
Could be. We could all come up with some plausible scenarios.
Here's what we do know:
1. The Second Mile has never been credibly investigated as far as the public knows. Why?
2. "Tough Cookie" Lynne Abraham - after grandstanding about doing so and turning over her findings to the OAG - gift wrapped TSM 6 short weeks later to Arrow Ministries. Why?
3. Licensed caseworkers, a PA jurist and CPS professionals that approved Sandusky as an adoptive/foster parent, placed kids in his home, enabled his access to minors and did so for decades have been silent. Why?
4. Great effort has been made to keep fabricated media floodwaters up on campus rather than letting it seek its own level and flow across Atherton to TSM offices and beyond. Why?
5. Dr. Jack Raykovitz and his wife Katherine Genovese apparently still gad about town, not a care in the world, after their community was torched in a media firestorm. Why?
6. The FBI was interested if victims ever got on a plane to Pittsburgh and/or Texas. Why?
7. The silence coming from those most directly responsible for the advocacy of those minors, enabling the access to those minors, which resulted in the subsequent victimization of those minors has been deafening. Why?
8. Certain influential Trustees on our Board have been utterly silent about TSM and were all too willing to step on the gas, drive in the opposite direction and throw money from that speeding vehicle. Why?
So - I can think of a few scenarios - particularly in the absence of any details coming from TSM:
Scenario A: Individuals at TSM were a conduit for providing at-risk youth for "parties" for certain BoT members and high profile out-of-towners, should their identities be known - would be a nuclear blast across the state & beyond.
Scenario B: TSM was laundering money and involved in fraudulent activity with high profile individuals both on the BoT and in influential PA political/corporate circles.
Scenario C: Both A & B
Too long to provide all the facts that support this, but just look at one thing....PSU has given away over $100M and we can't even validate the NAMES and DETAILS of any of those payments. How is this possible - CONTROL OF PA COURTS!!! Simple as that!
Scenario A:
Individuals at TSM were a conduit for providing at-risk youth for "parties" for certain BoT members and high profile out-of-towners, should their identities be known - would be a nuclear blast across the state & beyond.
Just how connected to TSM are you? I dont know if that guys a nutcase or not, nor do you. Then again, maybe you do. JS is not the only pedophile in the immediate area, you can bank on that. Rumors have rampant for a long time, smoke/fire sort of thing?Of course no one has ever come up with a shred of evidence to prove this, unless you believe the ravings of kooks like Greg Bucceroni are "evidence"
Of course no one has ever come up with a shred of evidence to prove this, unless you believe the ravings of kooks like Greg Bucceroni are "evidence"
Only a fool would not come to the conclusion that something very very bad is out there lurking and waiting to be discovered. There is simply no other explanation for the absurd way these assholes reacted.
The question is, why are so many people willing to help shield whatever or whoever this is? They surely are not all pedophiles or thieves.
Correct me if I'm wrong, TSM board members are at risk for being sued while PSU board members are not.Could be. We could all come up with some plausible scenarios.
Here's what we do know:
1. The Second Mile has never been credibly investigated as far as the public knows. Why?
2. "Tough Cookie" Lynne Abraham - after grandstanding about doing so and turning over her findings to the OAG - gift wrapped TSM 6 short weeks later to Arrow Ministries. Why?
3. Licensed caseworkers, a PA jurist and CPS professionals that approved Sandusky as an adoptive/foster parent, placed kids in his home, enabled his access to minors and did so for decades have been silent. Why?
4. Great effort has been made to keep fabricated media floodwaters up on campus rather than letting it seek its own level and flow across Atherton to TSM offices and beyond. Why?
5. Dr. Jack Raykovitz and his wife Katherine Genovese apparently still gad about town, not a care in the world, after their community was torched in a media firestorm. Why?
6. The FBI was interested if victims ever got on a plane to Pittsburgh and/or Texas. Why?
7. The silence coming from those most directly responsible for the advocacy of those minors, enabling the access to those minors, which resulted in the subsequent victimization of those minors has been deafening. Why?
8. Certain influential Trustees on our Board have been utterly silent about TSM and were all too willing to step on the gas, drive in the opposite direction and throw money from that speeding vehicle. Why?
So - I can think of a few scenarios - particularly in the absence of any details coming from TSM:
Scenario A: Individuals at TSM were a conduit for providing at-risk youth for "parties" for certain BoT members and high profile out-of-towners, should their identities be known - would be a nuclear blast across the state & beyond.
Scenario B: TSM was laundering money and involved in fraudulent activity with high profile individuals both on the BoT and in influential PA political/corporate circles.
Scenario C: Both A & B