Can we snatch Raines away from Pitt?

[AWS1022]

You'd make a stronger argument if Pitt's best corner wasn't listed at 5'9, 175lbs.

Apparently 5'9 is the absolute cutoff to be good...unless Pitt gets a 5'8 guy, then he will be a future hall of famer.

 

[spydersabich]

More stars, yes... better....?

We both know that's not true.

Isn't it hard to act so smug when the best you can do is to sign a player that Penn State kicked off the team and out of college? Someone on your board said he could be an all-american at dt.

By the way. Of the 11 committed players that have both Penn State and Pitt offers, Penn State has 9 and Pitt has 2. Your buddy pres. pornstache thinks that it is great progress. I got banned from that site because I pointed out the numbers.

 

[bmw199]

Let's not punch down

 

[Coultr77]

In what world has recruiting gotten worse? Do you always tend to not think before you type? You have biased opinions, I have facts below. You picked out the only recruit we have without another P5 offer, and then painted our entire class with that same "MAC-level" brush. That's just not fair or accurate, and then you use the phrase "in actuality" like I'm not speaking the truth. Read below. You'll probably say how it's some "Pitt spin" or bias or just resort to insulting my intelligence. But below are facts.

"There was some discussion in the “Big Class” thread about why people are excited about this class so far, whether that excitement is misplaced, and whether Narduzzi’s recruiting is really that much better than what we’ve seen in the past. I keep a spread sheet that shows each recruit we’ve signed from 2013 to present broken down by class.

It shows each recruit’s final Rivals ranking and the number of Power 5 offers, other than Pitt, that each recruit had. As well as each class’s final overall Rivals team ranking and each class’s ranking based on average Rivals rating numerically so that I can see how we compare with and without focusing solely on the top 20 recruits, as Rivals does.

Personally, I place a lot of value on the offer sheet, especially within a star rating, but using both makes the most sense. If recruit A is rated a 5.7 high three star but only has 1 non-Pitt P5 offer and recruit B is rated as a 5.5 but has 8 P5 offers, I tend to think more of recruit B. That’s just me. Nothing against Rivals, but P5 coaches have more at stake and I trust their analysis a little more.

Turning to the numbers, Pat Narduzzi’s recruiting is quantifiably better than Chryst’s in terms of overall class rankings, by average numerical ranking, and more importantly, I’d argue, his classes are substantially better in P5 offers. It doesn’t just feel like recruiting has gotten better, it has.

Chryst’s first full class was 2013. Dorian Johnson, Tyler Boyd, James Conner, etc. The class had 27 recruits and Rivals pegged that class at #35 nationally. Not a bad start. Going by numerical Rivals ranking, the class drops to #51, though, despite Johnson being a 5 Star. 8 were rated as 5.6 or higher. Looking at P5 offers, things don’t get better. In a 27 member class, there were only 75 total non-Pitt P5 offers extended, 28 of which were for DJ and Boyd. 12 of the 27 recruits had zero non-Pitt P5 offers. 2 more only had one other P5 offer. 44% of the class had zero other P5 offers and nine were 2 star recruits.

Chryst’s second full class was 2014. Bookser, Grimm, Chris James, and Jennings were the four 4 stars in this 23 member class. Rivals pegged this class as #44 nationally and the numerical average ranking improves it a little to #41. 9 were rated as 5.6 or higher. In this 23 member class, there were only 78 non-Pitt p5 offers, 52 of which came from the four 4 stars. 8 of the 23 had zero non-Pitt P5 offers and 4 more only had one. 35% of the class had zero non-Pitt P5 offers and four were 2 star recruits.

The 2015 class was the transitional class between Chryst and Narduzzi. It only had 15 members, headlined by 4 stars Jordan Whitehead and Darrin Hall who both committed to Chryst. This class came in at #65 nationally for Rivals overall and improves to #45 when looking at average numerical ranking. 7 were rated as 5.6 or higher. Despite its small size, this class garnered 79 total non-Pitt P5 offers. Of which, 40 came from Stocker, Brightwell, and McKee who committed after Narduzzi took over. 5 of the 15 had zero non-Pitt P5 offers and 2 more only had one. 33% of the class had zero other P5 offers and five were 2 star recruits.

Narduzzi’s first full class, 2016, was headlined by five 4 stars, Damar Hamlin, Amir Watts, Kazeon Pugh, George Hill, and Ruben Flowers. This 24 member class came in at #29 overall in Rivals national rankings and #31 when looking at numerical average rankings. An impressive 16 of 24 were rated as 5.6 or higher and there were 176 total non-Pitt P5 offers extended this class. More than Chryst’s two full classes combined. There were 0 recruits in this class without at least 1 non-Pitt P5 offer and 3 who only had one – MacVittie (LSU), Hargrove (Rutgers), and Ford (Maryland). 0% of this class had no other P5 offers and there were only three 2 star recruits – Weaver (9 P5 offers), Jones (7 P5 offers), and Reynolds (4 P5 offers).

Narduzzi’s second class, 2017, was headlined by 4 stars Ford, Davis, and Reeves. This 23 member class was ranked #38 overall and improved to #30 when looking at numerical average rankings. 10 were rated as 5.6 or higher and this class received 140 total non-Pitt P5 offers. 3 recruits in this class had zero non-Pitt P5 offers, Darian Street, Cam Bright, and the Australian kicker, Christodolou. 5 recruits had only one offer, Butler, Carrigan, Sear, Pinnock, and Drexel. 12% of this class had zero non-Pitt P5 offers and there were only two 2 stars, Owen Drexel and the Aussie.

So far, the current 2018 class, is in line with Narduzzi’s first two. Of the 11 commitments so far, 8 are rated 5.6 or higher and only 5.6 rated DE Palmer does not have at least one other P5 offer. There is only one 2 Star – FB Symonds – and there are 82 non-Pitt P5 offers including, OSU, Georgia, MSU, and PSU. While this class will be small with only 4 or 5 more recruits added, other than size, this class will again be strong.

Comparing Chryst’s two full classes with Narduzzi’s – 153 total non-Pitt P5 offers for Chryst vs Duzz’s 316 for nearly the exact same number of recruits. Narduzzi’s not taking guys who no other P5 coaches wanted the way Chryst did."

Speaking of Ford, the headliner, when does he arrive on campus?

 

[Alphabets]

Speaking of Ford, the headliner, when does he arrive on campus?

That's simple. When does season 2 of Last Chance U begin?

 

[Judge Smails]

Isheem Young announces shortly. Not worried about Raines.

 

[SR108]

Too bad you can't field a team of 22 DB's from Western PA - Pitt would be unstoppable...

Not so sure, even with all those Pittsburgh DB's, they were pretty bad in the secondary last yer.

 

[SR108]

I keep a spread sheet that shows each recruit we’ve signed from 2013 to present broken down by class.

You need to get a life.

 

[AWS1022]

You need to get a life.

He's got a lot of time...his pizza delivery gig doesn't take up that much time.

 

[BBG65]

I saw Raines play in person once last year and was very unimpressed. It was only 1 game so maybe, I'm wrong. He started the game at QB and was so bad he was replaced in the 2nd half. On defense, ok, I guess, but did not stand out. He's big enough to move to LB an I imagine that is his future.

 

[marshall23]

Some of Pitt's top recruits end up in junior college.

 

[Pocono Lion]

After the NFL it's bankruptcy court, back to mom's, then to rehab.

Add one or two stints in jail as well.

 

[marshall23]

Who had a better season? Pitt had an average season...but with all those NFL superstars it must be considered a huge disappointment. Certainly not one where a Pitt fan would be on another team's board talking trash...oh wait, never mind.

One thing to consider....Pitt had the talent to beat two top ten teams, one eventually winning the NC. Yet, they lost 5 games. I don't think this reflects favorably on their coaching.

 

[AWS1022]

One thing to consider....Pitt had the talent to beat two top ten teams, one eventually winning the NC. Yet, they lost 5 games. I don't think this reflects favorably on their coaching.

If PSU had the exact same season as Pitt last year, Pitt fans would have been trashing Franklin all over the place. But they sing Narduzzi's praises...go figure.

 

[LaJolla Lion]

Pitt's recruiting really has been awful under Nard Dog. Can they extend his contract already?

 

[mikemauti42]

I'm not going to lose sleep if Raines wants to sleep in between Mommy and Daddy every night and commute to Oakland to play for a guy who has no ability to stop a spread offense. I prefer a kid who wants to carve his own path over just going somewhere because past quips did (except remember Ty Law? Did alright)

That will be Pitt's one and only 4 star and last years class looks like garbage now that Paris Ford Is ineligible. It's going to be a long year in Oakland and with Chryst's lineman graduating next year and a first year starting qb next year looks even worse

Daminals is the guy who blocks everyone on twitter and complains about how bad Pitt will be this year on Pantherlair.

 

[AJSH2P]

You need to get a life.

Well, good thing that wasn't me that keeps that spreadsheet, because if you could read, I wasn't the one that said that. A poster on our board did. Did they teach you how to read in Happy Valley during your four years? Or are you a branch campus hero?

 

[AJSH2P]

He's got a lot of time...his pizza delivery gig doesn't take up that much time.

Full time supply chain internship after my freshman year thanks to my Pitt connections, but nice try!

 

[Lion8286]

Full time supply chain internship after my freshman year thanks to my Pitt connections, but nice try!

Good job. That's why my Domino's always arrives nice and warm.

 

[Raffycorn]

Full time supply chain internship after my freshman year thanks to my Pitt connections, but nice try!

Oh, my sweet summer child.

 

[Nit16]

Right now 247 has them as the #42 class in the country. If JF had this class, somebody would send moving vans to his house.

Aren't those the classes we were getting before Franklin? We haven't forgot pre Franklin have we?

 

[Judge Smails]

 

[AJSH2P]

Good job. That's why my Domino's always arrives nice and warm.

I would look into a different pizza option... Domino's is shite!

 

[lionlurker]

Is the focus of the internship learning how to use that insulated pizza delivery bag?

 

[AJSH2P]

Is the focus of the internship learning how to use that insulated pizza delivery bag?

No, we actually do some pretty cool things. The company is a managed freight company, so we oversee the supply chain for many restaurants and fast food places all over the U.S., especially McDonald's, so you can thank us for your daily Big Mac and Happy Meal!

 

[anon_is9z1n0h3zblb]

Is the focus of the internship learning how to use that insulated pizza delivery bag?

Learning to use velcro can be pretty tricky without proper training.

 

[AJSH2P]

I'll get out of your way guys. Please continue insulting my intelligence!


See you September 9th

 

[lionlurker]

I suspect we won't see any of them back here after Sept 9th. Alas.

 

[anon_1eeb2b426hv3y]

Isheem Young announces shortly. Not worried about Raines.

I'd like Young and Raines to pick PSU.

 

[bwifan]

Full time supply chain internship after my freshman year thanks to my Pitt connections, but nice try!

a.k.a. Petroleum transfer engineer ... so remember I told you to fill it up and wash my windshield

 

[mrtailgate]

I'll get out of your way guys. Please continue insulting my intelligence!


See you September 9th

Run away back to mommy's basement. You sure accomplished a lot here, tell your friends back on the Lair how you were a punching bag for a couple of days. Now, hurry up with my French Fry order.