1 in 4 females at PSU "sexually assaulted" while in school

[Obliviax]

First, I wonder what the definition of "sexually assaulted" is. Second, I find this number incredibly high. But I've not gone to college in a few years. Am I wrong?

If true....a real mess. I may home school my daughter.

 

[sluggo72]

First, I wonder what the definition of "sexually assaulted" is. Second, I find this number incredibly high. But I've not gone to college in a few years. Am I wrong?

If true....a real mess. I may home school my daughter.

can you home school college?

 

[MilesBarkley]

I have a feeling alcohol is involved in a lot of these...

 

[KnightSlayer]

1 in 4? So they're saying there are multiple thousands of sexual assaults per year. Hmmm.

 

[MichaelJackSchmidt]

First, I wonder what the definition of "sexually assaulted" is. Second, I find this number incredibly high. But I've not gone to college in a few years. Am I wrong?

If true....a real mess. I may home school my daughter.

Obviously it's a football culture issue. Makes sense to me. I'm sure the Freeh and Mitchell Reports offer solutions. If only the OGBOT would read either of them.

 

[sluggo72]

1 in 4? So they're saying there are multiple thousands of sexual assaults per year. Hmmm.

hmm I don't know the correct math, but if there are 50,000 at UP, and half are women, then there are 6250 sexual assaults per year?

 

[OhioLion]

Not saying it is right or acceptable, but a slap on the butt in a bar can be seen as an assault. Currently a DJ in Toledo is up on sexual assault charges for doing just that - slapping someone on the butt. I don't know all the details, so I'll apologize now if there is more to his story that I missed.

If there are 40,000 students on campus and logic says about half are female, that means you are looking at 5,000 assaults a year? I agree with KnightSlayer's "Hmmm".

OL

 

[WPTLION]

I sat through a presentation once at my kids preschool 10 years ago. They considered seeing a pornographic image abuse. Not being showed it by some one. Seeing it on your own. If 25% of any population is sexually assaulted we have a major problem. Of course if you 18 and your girlfriend is 16 that's assault too!

 

[Zenophile]

First, I wonder what the definition of "sexually assaulted" is. Second, I find this number incredibly high. But I've not gone to college in a few years. Am I wrong?

If true....a real mess. I may home school my daughter.

Just imagine the resources that a Penn State could dedicate toward resolving this issue if it wasn't busy forcing itself to address its fake culture problem.

 

[JoeBatters1]

Why do I find myself not only not believing these figures but not caring either?

 

[Woodpecker]

hmm I don't know the correct math, but if there are 50,000 at UP, and half are women, then there are 6250 sexual assaults per year?

Sounds like it was 1 in 4 of current students so, if the average student has been on campus, say, 3 years, it might average to ~2000 sexual assaults/year. Still a high number coming to >50/week during the "school year"

 

[StinkStankStunk]

First, I wonder what the definition of "sexually assaulted" is. Second, I find this number incredibly high. But I've not gone to college in a few years. Am I wrong?

If true....a real mess. I may home school my daughter.

These numbers - - - like the CSA numbers that get kicked around - - - are insane.

Of course, saying that, one is immediately labelled as a "Pedo-Enabler" or a "Misogynist"

Look - - lots of kids get abused, lots of women are assaulted, and even 1 is too many.
Period.

But all these ludicrous numbers come from opportunist "organizations" that THRIVE on spewing their bullshit - - - and soliciting funds based upon the incredible relevancy of their "missions" (of course, 90% of such organizations do nothing with the money - aside from feeding their own bureaucratic empires)

Meanwhile - those organizations that are run by truly legit, concerned, committed folks - those organizations usually starve for funding.

It is what it is.

 

[Sandinista!]

unfortunately I do think this is most likely correct.

I also think it is part fueled by alcohol.
Part fueled by children never learning the meaning of no
And part the girls not knowing how to say no

 

[fairgambit]

First, I wonder what the definition of "sexually assaulted" is. Second, I find this number incredibly high. But I've not gone to college in a few years. Am I wrong?
If true....a real mess. I may home school my daughter.

I don't buy the number. I saw one definition of "sexual assault" from a women's resource center that included unwanted kissing. That may be technically true, but it trivializes more serious contact. I have 2 grown daughters and 2 granddaughters, so I am not callous about this issue, but numbers like 1 in 4 make me think they are agenda driven.

 

[MichaelJackSchmidt]

I don't buy the number. I saw one definition of "sexual assault" from a women's resource center that included unwanted kissing. That may be technically true, but it trivializes more serious contact. I have 2 grown daughters and 2 granddaughters, so I am not callous about this issue, but numbers like 1 in 4 make me think they are agenda driven.

Nowadays Jimmy Carter would be guilty of sexual assault for "lusting".

 

[Erial_Lion]

hmm I don't know the correct math, but if there are 50,000 at UP, and half are women, then there are 6250 sexual assaults per year?

It's not per year, it's "while in school". Which means that you'd be talking more like ~1500/year (based on those numbers).

 

[BobPSU92]

Only 1 in 4? Clearly we have some work to do.

 

[michnittlion]

It's not per year, it's "while in school". Which means that you'd be talking more like ~1500/year (based on those numbers).

No, his math is correct.

Each freshman class has 12.5K students, so 6.25K women. 25% of them assaulted over the course of 4 years = 1.5K per year.

Have to multiply that again by 4, though. aka, 6K.

 

[sluggo72]

It's not per year, it's "while in school". Which means that you'd be talking more like ~1500/year (based on those numbers).

well that's a lot better.

 

[Aoshiro]

unfortunately I do think this is most likely correct.

I also think it is part fueled by alcohol.
Part fueled by children never learning the meaning of no
And part the girls not knowing how to say no

And part the boys not knowing how to keep their hands to themselves.

 

[Franklin_Restores_TheTradition]

First, I wonder what the definition of "sexually assaulted" is. Second, I find this number incredibly high. But I've not gone to college in a few years. Am I wrong?

If true....a real mess. I may home school my daughter.

Would imagine this includes encounters where they got very drunk and either don't recollect the prior evenings happenings or regret them. Not sure I completely buy the current definition of "sexual assault" which can include just being drunk and not in full capacity of your faculties due to impairment (inhibitions also go down when you are inebriated).....the problem I have is what if BOTH parties are drunk, how can you hold one accountable, but not the other for their actions under the influence?

 

[Raffycorn]

First, I wonder what the definition of "sexually assaulted" is. Second, I find this number incredibly high. But I've not gone to college in a few years. Am I wrong?

If true....a real mess. I may home school my daughter.

The survey's definition of sexual assault is right there in the article you linked: "The survey defines sexual assault as any non consensual act that involves completed or attempted penetration. Unwanted touching, kissing or fondling are not included."

 

[Aoshiro]

Access to full survey and results: https://studentaffairs.psu.edu/assessment/SMCS/

 

[fairgambit]

The survey's definition of sexual assault is right there in the article you linked: "The survey defines sexual assault as any non consensual act that involves completed or attempted penetration. Unwanted touching, kissing or fondling are not included."

If that definition was understood by the people completing the survey, then the 1 in 4 number is a tragedy.

 

[LafayetteBear]

I think the issue lies in the definition of "sexual assault." There is a big spectrum of conduct between forcible rape and "Hey, what's your sign?"

Edit: I just noticed the definition of "sexual assault" that Raffy posted. If THAT is the definition they are working with, I frankly do not believe that anywhere near 1 in 4 PSU coeds have been sexually assaulted. I fact, I find that reported number to be ludicrous.

 

[Raffycorn]

Access to full survey and results: https://studentaffairs.psu.edu/assessment/SMCS/

That survey makes it very clear what the respondents were being asked. For example:

Q.80: How many times has someone fondled, kissed, or rubbed up against the private areas of your body (lips, breast/chest, crotch or butt) or removed some of my clothes without my consent (but did not attempt sexual penetration) by: (1) Telling lies, threatening to end the relationship, threatening to spread rumors about me, making promises I knew were untrue, or continually verbally pressuring me after I said I didn't want to; (2) Showing displeasure, criticizing my sexuality or attractiveness, getting angry but not using physical force, after I said I didn't want to; (3) Taking advantage of me when I was too drunk or out of it to stop what was happening; (4) Threatening to physically harm me or someone close to me; or (5) Using force, for example holding me down with their body weight, pinning my arms, or having a weapon.

Q.81: How many times has someone had oral sex with me or made me have oral sex with them without my consent by: (same options as Q.80)

Q.82: How many times has someone put their penis, fingers, or other object into my vagina without my consent by: (same options as Q.80)

Q.83: How many times has someone put their penis, fingers, or other object into my butt without my consent by: (same options as Q.80)

Q.84: Even though it didn't happen, someone TRIED to have oral, anal, or vaginal sex with me without my consent by: (same options as Q.80).

 

[Pride]

Statistical crap. The 25% of women who returned the surveys were self-selecting......they would be statistically the ones who are more likely to claim to have been "assaulted". The 75% who did not respond are likely the ones who have no interest in the survey because they would say....."we were never assaulted".....making the "1/4 of all women" statistic dog poop. To make this statistically valid you would have to select, say, 100 randomly selected women off the enrolled student database, interview everyone one of them, and only then draw a population inference.

And as others have also pointed out, the definition that was used for "Sexual Assault" could sway the numbers significantly.

 

[Erial_Lion]

No, his math is correct.

Each freshman class has 12.5K students, so 6.25K women. 25% of them assaulted over the course of 4 years = 1.5K per year.

Have to multiply that again by 4, though. aka, 6K.

That math isn't right. You wouldn't multiply it by 4 again at the end.

 

[olelion]

First, I wonder what the definition of "sexually assaulted" is. Second, I find this number incredibly high. But I've not gone to college in a few years. Am I wrong?

If true....a real mess. I may home school my daughter.

I call bull$hit on this. You would be talking about a crime rate many, many times higher than the worst inner city environment in the world. It does happen, but it's inflated. A classic case where the "cause" is all that matters even if data have to be manufactured

 

[StinkStankStunk]

The survey's definition of sexual assault is right there in the article you linked: "The survey defines sexual assault as any non consensual act that involves completed or attempted penetration. Unwanted touching, kissing or fondling are not included."

Great

Then the whole survey is BullShit......

Probably another Damon Simms special (he's usually the one in charge of these "take a problem - then magnify it 100X to give my pseudo-outrage a bigger stage" deals)

Ludicrous

"See....we are SOOOOO outraged. We must be the better people"


BTW - Tell me that prick Poole doesn't look the part of one of the "Nazi Mastermind" Mother Humpers......with any luck, he'll be one of the last guys in the Bunker.

 

[AWS1022]

I just recently saw an interview with someone discussing this very topic (not PSU, but nationally) and that person brought up many of the same arguments brought up here to debunk the statistics. The selection process of the participants, the definition of sexual assault and the number of participants all sway the actual number much higher than really happens. If a drunk girl has sex with a drunk guy and she regrets it, that's sexual assault or could be viewed as sexual assault in these studies.

 

[Obliviax]

Great

Then the whole survey is BullShit......

With that definition, its pretty hard to believe. In fact, unimaginable. So 25% of women are bedded and unwanted penetration is attempted or completed.

"The survey defines sexual assault as any non consensual act that involves completed or attempted penetration. Unwanted touching, kissing or fondling are not included."​

 

[Aoshiro]

This certainly isn't an issue that's unique to Penn State. The number might be a little bit high due to the survey problem that Pride noted, but what percentage do you guys think is acceptable and something that we, as a society, can ignore? Is it OK if 5% of women are sexually assaulted at some point during a 4-year period? 10%? 15%

Let's hear it. What percentage is acceptable?

 

[Aoshiro]

I call bull$hit on this. You would be talking about a crime rate many, many times higher than the worst inner city environment in the world. It does happen, but it's inflated. A classic case where the "cause" is all that matters even if data have to be manufactured

Well, it's been known for a long time that sexual assaults are greatly under-reported.

 

[Nitt1300]

With that definition, its pretty hard to believe. In fact, unimaginable. So 25% of women are bedded and unwanted penetration is attempted or completed.

"The survey defines sexual assault as any non consensual act that involves completed or attempted penetration. Unwanted touching, kissing or fondling are not included."​

thinking the same thing

 

[Obliviax]

This certainly isn't an issue that's unique to Penn State. The number might be a little bit high due to the survey problem that Pride noted, but what percentage do you guys think is acceptable and something that we, as a society, can ignore? Is it OK if 5% of women are sexually assaulted at some point during a 4-year period? 10%? 15%

Let's hear it. What percentage is acceptable?

Its beyond that...its hard to believe or take seriously. So, it means that 25% of women were forced to be on the brink of having an orifice penetrated (or penetrated) without there consent. To your point, there is no acceptable number. But 25%? If that's true, its time to close down the university. I think someone else said it was not statistically correct, in that it was self selected (in terms of responses). It needs to be corrected and extrapolated for statistical purposes. If that hasn't happened, it smells like someone with an agenda.

 

[LionJim]

Not to hijack the thread but you have to wonder what role the ubiquity of pornography has in all this. I mean, what teens can access on their phones nowadays, wow.

 

[jabba2]

Part alcohol, part yogas pants, part girls badly wanting attention from one guy but definitely not another guy.

 

[Obliviax]

 

[StinkStankStunk]

This certainly isn't an issue that's unique to Penn State. The number might be a little bit high due to the survey problem that Pride noted, but what percentage do you guys think is acceptable and something that we, as a society, can ignore? Is it OK if 5% of women are sexually assaulted at some point during a 4-year period? 10%? 15%

Let's hear it. What percentage is acceptable?

The "acceptable" number is zero

Just as the "acceptable" number for these bullshit agenda-driven pieces of crap "surveys" is zero

Next question?

Or....just cut to the f$cking chase and call me a misogynist.......or, what the hell, a pedo-enabler.