Wrestling 2023 NCAA Tournament Live Thread: Session IV -- National Semis!
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2022 results after Session 4
1: PENN STATE – 108.0
2: Michigan – 84.5
3: Arizona State – 63.5
4: Iowa – 62.0
5: Nebraska – 54.0
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2023 Session 4 results
1: PENN STATE – 116.5
2: Iowa – 77.0
3: Cornell – 64.0
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1: PENN STATE – 108.0
2: Michigan – 84.5
3: Arizona State – 63.5
4: Iowa – 62.0
5: Nebraska – 54.0
First Place Penn State Advances Five to National Finals - Penn State Athletics
Five Penn State Nittany Lions will be competing for NCAA individual glory on Saturday night after claiming victories in their NCAA semifinal contests. Head coach
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2023 Session 4 results
1: PENN STATE – 116.5
2: Iowa – 77.0
3: Cornell – 64.0
First Place Penn State Advances Five to National Finals at the 2023 NCAA Wrestling Championships - Penn State Athletics
The Penn State Nittany wrestling team will have five wrestlers competing for individual national titles at the 2023 NCAA Wrestling Championships in Tulsa, Okla.
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Fatigue makes cowards of us all.
Being from PA probably doesn't hurt so much. Other great ones were from South Dakota, New York, Illinois, Indiana as well as Iowa. What has to hurt is knowing if Spencer had chosen to wrestle for Penn State he would have been a 4 time all time great.
I won’t laugh at the mom because I think that’s lame. But I also think the defending of her is lame as well. Crying is one thing and a reasonable response. Breaking your glasses like a child shows a middle aged mother with the emotional maturity of a child. Therapy would do her well to learn how to process emotions in a healthy manner.
I hope ramos uses that same move that was the most creative bullshit I ever saw being used on someone that good. I literally could not believe what I was actually seeing. My wife asked me why I was so amped up and I'm like Spencer Lee just got pinned by some move I've never seen before lmfao. What a match I will never forget that match as long as I live. Holy shit. I keep watching it actually lol
I don’t feel bad for Mrs Lee at all. It’s easy to be graceful in victory. Defeat/adversity reveals real character. Watch Robb after he lost. Very graceful to Levi.
Uhhhh. Spencer's Mom just made SportsCenter.
Where was Larry Lee’s close up?? Damn it! You had 1 job
I know! As they cut away to the interview I thought RBY was getting taken down and was in grave danger of losing. When they cut back to the match Roman had just secured the takedown! My wife was a TV producer and that was a rookie mistake.
I'm of two minds with respect to Spencer's mom. On the one hand destroying nearby objects when you lose is never a great look. I've worked alongside people who did things like that when things didn't go just so, and it's a bad place to be. I've made it a point to steer very clear of those people in my life.
On the other hand, it's an entirely human reaction to a huge disappointment and she suddenly became a meme. The social media reaction will outweigh any deserved criticism. So I feel bad for her, not for the moment she had, but for adverse and outsized publicity the moment has already generated. I hope she'll be able to laugh at it some day, but doubt that day is tomorrow.
On the other hand, it's an entirely human reaction to a huge disappointment and she suddenly became a meme. The social media reaction will outweigh any deserved criticism. So I feel bad for her, not for the moment she had, but for adverse and outsized publicity the moment has already generated. I hope she'll be able to laugh at it some day, but doubt that day is tomorrow.
I disagree. Glory will win a close match.
Two-trick pony. Arm bar and tilt. At least he’s still a farm animal. But now, I guess Ramos is the GOAT 😉
For sure Spencer was one of the most dominant wrestlers we have ever seen.
What went wrong? Without a doubt 2 repared ACLs and the resulting average gas tank or worse didn't help. I think his own dominance did him in, in the end. As great as he was he really was, he did not possess a 'diverse' skill set. He is strong in neutral, and other worldly on top, but IMO his defense has too many holes, his bottom game is mediocre enough to make him vulnerable.
Ok I'll say it!!!!!
One of Cael's montras is we strive to get better every day. To me Spencer looks like a guy who dedicated too much time enduring he was the strongest physical specimen and too little time on all of his weaknesses and creating new strengths and a diversity of attacks and offensive moves.
In the end Spencer distilled down to crazy arm and hand strength, a tilt, an arm bar, and a few strong single leg takedowns. He possessed all those same skills in highschool. I don't see this version of Spencer beating Gillman. Now way.
Had Spencer gone to Penn State, his tool chest would have been overflowing with new skills and weaknesses eliminated. I believe at PSU and that red shirt year, even with 2 resisted ACLs, he is a 4xer, probably makes a run at Nolf's pin record.
Despite an incredible 3xer, in a very small sense he is just one more hammer that T&T failed to develop to his full potential. I'll also stick by the belief that Marinelli, Kemerer and Warner all win at least 1 championship each in blue and white.
So Spencer is not a 4xer, he is still one of the best ever.
What went wrong? Without a doubt 2 repared ACLs and the resulting average gas tank or worse didn't help. I think his own dominance did him in, in the end. As great as he was he really was, he did not possess a 'diverse' skill set. He is strong in neutral, and other worldly on top, but IMO his defense has too many holes, his bottom game is mediocre enough to make him vulnerable.
Ok I'll say it!!!!!
One of Cael's montras is we strive to get better every day. To me Spencer looks like a guy who dedicated too much time enduring he was the strongest physical specimen and too little time on all of his weaknesses and creating new strengths and a diversity of attacks and offensive moves.
In the end Spencer distilled down to crazy arm and hand strength, a tilt, an arm bar, and a few strong single leg takedowns. He possessed all those same skills in highschool. I don't see this version of Spencer beating Gillman. Now way.
Had Spencer gone to Penn State, his tool chest would have been overflowing with new skills and weaknesses eliminated. I believe at PSU and that red shirt year, even with 2 resisted ACLs, he is a 4xer, probably makes a run at Nolf's pin record.
Despite an incredible 3xer, in a very small sense he is just one more hammer that T&T failed to develop to his full potential. I'll also stick by the belief that Marinelli, Kemerer and Warner all win at least 1 championship each in blue and white.
So Spencer is not a 4xer, he is still one of the best ever.
Bouzakis will end up at 133. However, he will also lose his tan to the portal. 👍
Nope. I think he wins handily. Then, of course he will be the GOAT 😎
Clay going to make me scroll the whole thread to see people feel the need to defend picking on the mom.
Very good assessment. Imo I was saying Lee is just physically better than almost any opponent so he just wins easily , most times.
Probably about as painful as losing a unicorn recruit to your rival from your state.That's about as painful as it gets as a fan. Congrats I guess
Least you all were gracious about it tho.
They did.
They reviewed the reaction time after the action lock rather than the original which was clear as day. Even the official knew.
I posted a few times in the spirit of leaving this one alone. I generally don't like seeing people's bad moments become viral jokes. I also don't see what good comes from fixating on a wrestler's mom's reaction to her son's upset loss. I think its generally poor taste. And I don't want mom's of recruits to think thats what PSU wrestling fans are about.
Other than the prospective and what if speculation, which I have no comment on, this post absolutely nails it.
Haines should about 165 by tonight, Aoc will fight to be around 157 so go chest to chest and pick on the smaller wrestler.
After listening to Tom Brands' interview on the Des Moines Register web site, I now know why these guys did so well in the WBs. Of course, it was all because of Spencer Lee. Brands looked like he was choking back tears for half the video and had this to say:
“Sometimes it’s easy to fold up your tent when your leader goes down,” Tom Brands said, “but these guys are principled and awesome. Doesn’t take the sting away though. The sting is always there. There’s just so many things going on.
“You have to look at Real Woods. Got a win. Did it for Spencer. We won six matches in a row on the backside. Did it for Spencer.”
All Spencer, all the time. Some of these Iowa folks are going to be totally lost and bewildered after this season to not be able to talk about Spencer all the time (though they still might). Personally, I think Woods wants to be a National Champion for himself and Murin wanted to finish his career as an All-American once for himself. The sun and the moon does not revolve around Spencer Lee though I am sure Ayala would have wanted to go out and win one for Spencer Lee too if he could have.
I didn’t make a special point of watching his matches over the years but I watched many of his matches this year. While incredibly dominant, he also gave up quite a number of back points this season. Was that always the case? If not, what happened this year? Was it just time spent off the mat with injuries that caused his general positioning to decline?
Well that's what happens when you become Coe-dependent
I get this but my wife who does not care about sports or wrestling saw that and noticed it. And commented .
You can point out this is piling on. However , every wrestler wants to win. Every other mom feels her kids pain. Just because he's had so much more success doesn't mean there are different rules for his mom than the rest who of those who support their kids.
Schlubs who barely scratch a starting lineup in high school , to an average college guy. A whole lot of dreams didn't come through this weekend, his aren't any more important than the rest of the field.
To your point, though… 310 wrestlers have taken at least one loss thus far in the tournament. They filmed the reaction of only one of their mothers.
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I don’t know how everyone can post so much during the moment. I am always to nervous! I managed one celebratory word when Spencer was pinned! For all the talk of how disappointed he was, the shock etc, no one mentioned the Ramos interview. What an amazing kid. I am so happy for him, and Purdue. So many talked like Spencer already had his fourth title. Ramos said he spoke it into reality, believing in himself. What a moment for that young man!
That was bizarre in any event. It’s probably the most binary objective rule in wrestling. Did/didn’t.
I didn’t think it was possible to get that wrong.
Look
Staying classy is always a good idea, but I’m sure not going to chide anyone having a laugh at Cathy Lee’s expense. My kids are all grown up. Guarantee you they still take note of how I respond to failure and comport myself in times of adversity. She could have done better by Spencer in that moment. There were nine other semi-finalists whose parents had to deal with disappointment. I haven’t seen any others going viral.
Do you recall the camera going live to the mom of the losing wrestler in any other match?
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