Ziegler on Mohr Stories
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listening to it now . . . Jay Mohr's opening comment that when you "slow down the hysteria", the narrative sounds like McMartin preschool and West Memphis 3 . . .
finished it.... Zig didn't have any outbursts.
that was one of the more patient and reasonable conversations I've heard on the subject
I wouldn't call him open-minded.
http://foxsportsradio.iheart.com/onair/jay-mohr-sports-53749/jay-is-not-fooled-by-the-14687814/
Jay Mohr said in the interview that he believed EVERYTHING the media said until a few weeks ago when John directed him to his website
Jay Mohr: "How do we know Joe Paterno never covered up for Jerry Sandusky? Timeline and facts"
That podcast was posted only 10 days ago. If he stopped believing the media a few weeks ago why was he believing it less than two weeks ago? Did you listen to the podcast?
Jay mentioned those comments. I did not hear the date given in the Ziegler podcast. That may have been my interpretation of Mohr's given timeline
Sorry, but you don't just become open-minded. Mohr hasn't been since 2011. If he was too lazy to do his own research, is just reading headlines, and needs someone to hand feed him facts then he is just as bad as the rest of them.
well then Mohr put on one hell of a show just to accommodate Ziegler
though I will be critical of one thing:
Mohr fixates on the "sexual nature" GJ testimony of Joe.
again, that is probably the second most misquoted phrase ("I should have done more") in this saga, and I kind of wished Ziegler had taken the time to put that into context
Mohr fixates on the "sexual nature" GJ testimony of Joe.
again, that is probably the second most misquoted phrase ("I should have done more") in this saga, and I kind of wished Ziegler had taken the time to put that into context
I have no opinion yet since i've only listened to half. If you did not listen, Mohr did say more than once that he did a lot of reading prior to this interview. I assume that was since his thoughts prior to this.
Why did he wait 4+ years to do a lot reading? I mean if he's going to be broadcasting negative comments on Paterno/Penn State for 4 years you think maybe he'd want to learn some facts before doing so? Instead of just reading sensationalized headlines?
This is the sorry state of much of the MSM.
Ask him. Just going by this recent interview. Have you ever changed your mind after being, at first, irrational? Of course you have. We all have. Baby steps is all we can hope for.
The two things Ziggy needs to clean up are his responses to Joe's GC testimony and the Sassano nonsense. Get those fixed and it's airtight and just needs the right messenger
alright Ziegler Zombies, I listened to the whole thing. If Jay Mohr was Ziegler's spokesman, the message may gain traction. Mohr pretty much keyed in on everything that is wrong with Ziegler in the 2 hour talk.
- told him toward the end "stop yelling"
- told him consistently to stop saying "media" since it detracts from the actual point. It proves my theory that this is all just a war against the media for JZ - not a helping hand to PSU. He just can't help constantly bringing it back to the media.
- Mohr said something like - there's been about 6 times that you argued with me when I was trying to help you out. JZ just can't help but want to argue.
- Mohr pointed out that JZ needs to sort out the signal from the noise. He needs to stop piling on info in rambling fashion and create a succinct message.
- JZ actually seemed to understand what Mohr was saying at the end. Maybe he will learn to reshape his delivery. Probably not.
- told him toward the end "stop yelling"
- told him consistently to stop saying "media" since it detracts from the actual point. It proves my theory that this is all just a war against the media for JZ - not a helping hand to PSU. He just can't help constantly bringing it back to the media.
- Mohr said something like - there's been about 6 times that you argued with me when I was trying to help you out. JZ just can't help but want to argue.
- Mohr pointed out that JZ needs to sort out the signal from the noise. He needs to stop piling on info in rambling fashion and create a succinct message.
- JZ actually seemed to understand what Mohr was saying at the end. Maybe he will learn to reshape his delivery. Probably not.
Zeigler's story is more about Zeigler than anything else.
The date listed is May 16.
Continued listening but can't take anymore. Agree with kharp and grant above, the asides and rambling and Eagles tickets.
It's a lot of things.
Mostly, he has nips around various edges.
He has not been capable thus far of telling a succinct story. His website, that he points people to, is an amateurish mess and while I admire the tenacity to keep everything there in chronological order, it would be 100x more compelling if it actually succinctly told the story.
I don't think he has the capacity to put everything together in that way.
Great post, Grant. Mohr was really trying to help JZ out, but I could only make it through about 30 minutes before it became unlistenable. Mohr was trying to get JZ to adopt a linear narrative in order to make his findings accessible to the casual listener, and JZ couldn't do it. That was probably JZ's best chance to craft a coherent message, but he blew it.
I give Mohr credit for giving JZ the opportunity. But I don't expect Mohr to become a crusader on this issue. JZ is the crusader, and he cannot stay on message.
First, I have not been irrational for 4+ years on a subject that I haven't bothered to even research and then, when I did bother to research, became open-minded..
Second, I don't have a syndicated platform where I'm screaming my uninformed opinions, and presenting them as facts, to thousands of listeners.
When you or I do both of the above, then we can empathize with Mohr.
Until then. . .
You may notice that everytime Mohr tries to pat Zig on the back, Zig sort of brushes it off, so really not so much about himself. I endured about three quarters but Zig starts going off.
Exactly half way through, I'm going to have to try and drudge my way through the other half tomorrow. I'm going to go chew on some aluminum foil and try to relax for a bit
Sadly, Ziggy is a train wreck of a interviewee. He should really review this and other past performances while he's been behind a microphone to improve how he comes across. He has done an exceptional job of investigating the facts in this miscarriage of justice however he loses the public every time he opens his mouth. He's a fingernail on the chalkboard of public speaking.
What about an alibi? Anything new?
But I don't have to tell you that... Sweet Christmas
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