Yikes! Psycho Ohio Takedown Rule
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There’s nothing ambiguous in that rule - it’s unclear whether there are brains in the heads of those interpreting the rule.
Do arms also not include wrists in that misbegotten state as well?
He doesn't look like the same guy, but dang that ref attended the same referee school as the clown who did the PSU Rutgers match.
In the state of Michigan, the toe is not part of the foot.
Although the assistant refs are only there primary for locked hands, safety of the wrestlers and if the head ref wishes to consult but in that case I'm suprized the assistant did not "help out" the head ref talking out situation.
The rule book says they should meet briefly on the edge of the mat away from the wrestlers and coaches. I didn't see that in the clip.
The rule book says they should meet briefly on the edge of the mat away from the wrestlers and coaches. I didn't see that in the clip.
That guy had serious problems, but he did call RBY’s clincher in the middle of the mat—even upheld it in review.
Nick the ref is considered one of the best refs in the country he has and will be at the NCAA.The issue is fans are confused by saying no reaction time which isn't true.The no reaction time is only on takedowns that are considered hand touch takedowns(rear standing).All other takedowns must be beyond reaction time.Reaction time isn't defined therefore is at the refs judgement.Last year Jan 2019 NCAA sent a memo to all NCAA officials explaining it because many were calling it wrong
My main beef with him was his own reaction time in starting counts for nearfall and danger. Also how he didn’t call anything with Van Brill’s ride of snores. I would have been fine with stalemates, but that was some seriously boring “wrestling.” I require entertainment!
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That was a unique situation and a ride we don't often see.I agree you stalemate that after about 15 seconds or so.I bet he watches the tape and calls that differently next time he sees that situation.My opinion is that you stalemate it twice then warn Van Brill for stalling.My main beef with him was his own reaction time in starting counts for nearfall and danger. Also how he didn’t call anything with Van Brill’s ride of snores. I would have been fine with stalemates, but that was some seriously boring “wrestling.” I require entertainment!
Not sure how they determine NCAA refs, hopefully with a better procedure than "it's his turn".
If he is "one of the best" then he had a really bad day.
NCAA refs are evaluated by performance.We all have bad days and maybe this was one for him.My opinion is he could've handled the Van Brill ride differently.I think he will watch the situation and call it differently next time that was a ride we don't see often.As far as the Shak takedown that wasn't 2 and he would never make that call on any day.
It was more than the Merkel ride and Shak TD. However, the Merkel ride all by itself was really bad. As far as the next time he sees it he will call it differently. He got to watch it non stop for 2 minutes without any mental adjustments, assuming appropriate adjustments with additional exposure might be a stretch.
He was being evaluated during that dual.The situation will be discussed and called differently next time.Its a situation that doesn't happen often.When situations like this happen videos and explanations are sent to officials on how to call the situation
Here is the memo from last year explaining the no reaction time
https://ncaawrestling.arbitersports.com/Groups/107525/Library/files/SRE Article 3 1-8-2019.pdf
https://ncaawrestling.arbitersports.com/Groups/107525/Library/files/SRE Article 3 1-8-2019.pdf
Typical wrestling rules. Control + reaction time. Nothing in the rules describing reaction time, but it is real time and you know, oh well do your best. No matter what, since it must be applied and there is no description for what it is, you will never be wrong.
Rules and subjectivity might make interesting and entertaining bed fellows, but rarely do they combine to form objective determinations.
Reaction time isn't defined which makes it the officials judgement.Not sure how one would define reaction time with a set period of time.They could say you've to be in control for 1 second which would be way easier for officials.The way the rules are now officials are in a bad spot.
West to East
"Nothing in the rules describing reaction time, but it is real time and you know, oh well do your best. No matter what, since it must be applied and there is no description for what it is, you will never be wrong."
I had to laugh when reading the rule on reaction time. I have frequently asked very knowledgeable wrestling people what is meant by "reaction time". The responses are all over the place and on several occasions, I have listened to former D1 wrestlers debate their understanding of the rule. My opinion is that there needs to be a defined amount of time and I would propose (1) second as being reasonable.
In the universe of ambiguous definitions the NCAA has nothing on US Supreme Court Justice Potter Stewart, who in 1964, reduced his threshold test for obscenity/pornography as ....."I know it when I see it".
In fairness to Justice Stewart the entire quote is as follows:
"I shall not today attempt further to define the kinds of material I understand to be embraced within that shorthand description ["hard-core pornography"], and perhaps I could never succeed in intelligibly doing so. But I know it when I see it, and the motion picture involved in this case is not that."
Also, he allowed Rutgers wrestlers to stand behind our wrestlers for up to ten seconds without ever initiating a stall count. He just seemed clueless and out of his depth. That he warned Hall for stalling after numerous pushouts by Rutgers just highlighted his incompetence.My main beef with him was his own reaction time in starting counts for nearfall and danger. Also how he didn’t call anything with Van Brill’s ride of snores. I would have been fine with stalemates, but that was some seriously boring “wrestling.” I require entertainment!
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