Very few care about the Sandsky "situation" or using it against us....
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I've been in South Carolina since 1994. It's not a story down here except for the occasional post if an AP blurb. Carolina and Clemson fans can care less about it and I've only once had to "explain" Joe Pa's lack of involvement. Many/most still hold PSU and Paterno in high regard. I've never encountered insults or slurs wearing my PSU attire....never.
Well, I posted a quote of mine... I guess most people just accepted it for what it is.
Oh, is that what you were doing? Quoting yourself and then changing what was in the quotes? Well done.
My God you are pathetic. Just be a man and admit that you were wrong. It's not a big deal.
It's a nice anecdotal story. It's doesn't square with our family's experiences where we've been confronted in public for wearing PSU stuff, had our car magnets stolen, sworn at, told that Joe was a pedo enabler and ran the university and that C/S/S should die in prison for letting boys be anally rapped repeatedly by JS. These same people have stated that Rodney and the OGBOT did the right thing by moving on, accepting sanctions and the people fighting them are "cultists" and only care about football.
I would have said "I'm glad you had the sense to apologize" and let him friggin' STEW in it.
The rest of the country doesn't care about this story much anymore. Having said that, the national sports media continues to drip small amounts periodically and that bumps up the interest again.
I know nobody cares about what I have to say but this is the hard truth of how the college football fans where I live feel: The fans/alumni of PSU that refuse to move on are hurting the University more than the BOT that completely screwed Joe over. This football program could be back to its glory days by 2017. Let it go and help Franklin turn the page. Those people are keeping this scandal alive by refusing to put down their pitchforks even though there is about a 3% chance they'll ever accomplish anything.
I know nobody cares about what I have to say but this is the hard truth of how the college football fans where I live feel: The fans/alumni of PSU that refuse to move on are hurting the University more than the BOT that completely screwed Joe over. This football program could be back to its glory days by 2017. Let it go and help Franklin turn the page. Those people are keeping this scandal alive by refusing to put down their pitchforks even though there is about a 3% chance they'll ever accomplish anything.
I'm in no way trying to be any kind of jerk here. This thread is specifically about the national opinion of PSU. I am a member of that outside view. The view isn't that the people still fighting in 2016 are wrong, just that they are hurting the program and stunting its ability to truly move past it. A very rough analogy is that slavery was wrong but we aren't still fighting against it.
The national view is that it's simply time to move forward and understand that Franklin and the team needs your full support. Having factions of the fanbase and alumni holding rallies and meetings are absolutely harmful. I promise the players notice. This is why negative recruiting is so easy against PSU. It's own fanbase is providing the material.
The people fighting for truth and justice are huge supporters of Coach Franklin and vice versa, your bull$hit, false and completely baseless claim to the contrary notwithstanding douche-bag!
That's a pretty solid way to have a rational discussion. Just insult and call everyone around the country names. Maybe having a real dialogue would be more helpful.
Penn Staters are capable of doing more than one thing at a time. We can fully support Franklin and the current team while still advocating for justice in regards to the Sandusly mess.
"Real dialogue" about your made-up, baseless, bull$hit claims regarding Coach Franklin and the PSU Community...yea right, that's "real dialogue" LMFAO.
Here's some "real dialogue", you're full of $hit, don't know what the hell you're talking and make bull$hit up out of whole clothe! There is not a shred of evidence that the PSU Community does not massively support Coach Franklin or conversely that Coach Franklin is not a HUGE supporter of PSU'S tradition and legacy (he has repeatedly stated that he grew up wanting to play for Coach Paterno and PSU growing up in Pennsy, that he considers Coach Paterno and his "Grand Experiment - Success With Honor" the Greatest Coaching Legacy in CFB History and that he is ultimately just a "Pennsylvania kid with a Penn State heart").
So other than you being absolutely full of more $hit than a cesspool, what precisely is there to discuss and have a "real discussion" about you pompous, know-nothing @sshole?
Good talk zwick. Do you even realize you blamed the alumni but then pointed out it was the media that kept it in the news.
The reality is that supporting Coach Franklin and his program has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with fighting against the injustices that have been perpetrated against PSU, PSU's Football Program and the PSU Community in general.
This POS tO$u troll posting a baseless, bull$hit strawman to the contrary doesn't make it so....it just makes it another load of rubbish and bull$hit posted by a "traditional b1g shiz-hole" douche-bag.
All I've stated is what the rest of the country thinks of the Penn State program and those that continue to fight the so-called 'narrative'. You simply don't want to hear it. I have great respect for the PSU program but to simply unload on me as though I've created what you so eloquently label as "rubbish and bull$hit", doesn't advance this conversation one bit.
You can't have a message board thread where the topic is essentially 'does the rest of the country still care about the scandal?', and defiantly refuse to hear what the rest of the country feels about the scandal. It's like when you're wife asks if she looks fat in those jeans but she really doesn't want to hear the answer.
Outside of a few haters, idiots and trolls no one buys your BS about the "rest of the country" or your new name.
The reality is that supporting Coach Franklin and his program has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with fighting against the injustices that have been perpetrated against PSU, PSU's Football Program and the PSU Community in general.
You, a POS tO$u troll, posting a baseless, bull$hit strawman to the contrary doesn't make it so....it just makes it another load of rubbish and bull$hit posted by a "traditional b1g shiz-hole" douche-bag.
A "real dialogue" with Buckeyecurt?
Sorry, I'm not an Idiot Whisperer.........I'll pass
It does have something to do with it. Holding makeshift memorials, "JoeOuts" and rallies during gameday are a distraction and people take notice. Withholding donations because of your feelings about what happened to Paterno certainly hurt the current and future teams. And I am not saying that you should spend your money on something that you are dissatisfied with, I am just saying that it certainly hurts the program. It is what it is.
You are not "the rest of the country", you are one person who happens to be an outlier. I travel all the time and nearly all of the people I discuss this topic with feel very differently than you do.
You and the nation don't appreciate the full scope of the issue. The Sandusky issue exposed major problems within our university governance structure. Also, and infinitely more important, it exposed critical problems within the state entities charged with child welfare.
Most Penn Staters keep "fighting" to fix those problems...and can/will affect change.
You and the nation only read what the media knows will get clicks, i.e. Paterno stuff....which is only a small fraction of the issue.
If pushing back against a false narrative and holding people accountable helps to fix a broken system and saves even one child from abuse, then it's worth it...and I don't give a damn how it affects the football team.
And to address your slavery analogy, every day society continues to fight against the underlying racism and other negatives that were responsible for slavery. So yes, we're still fighting.
Penn Staters continue to fight the rush to judgment and witch hunt mentalities that underlay child sexual abuse incidents. Mentalities that were responsible for the false narrative of Joe Paterno. And mentalities that continues to put children in danger.
If it were only about "the program," you might have a point. It's also interesting that Penn Staters have been told we only cared about football and not about child abuse. Now you're telling us that by not dropping this and moving on, we don't care about the football program. Which is it?
And by the way, we're not the ones who published op-eds condemning all the lettermen in our history who said they were unfairly lumped in with Sandusky. But we are the ones asking why the people who ran TSM got off scot-free. We're the ones bringing to people's attention that more than 40,000 phone calls to ChildLine went unanswered-- when the narrative tells us everything can be taken care of by just making one phone call.
Should the people in Hillsborough have moved on and given up? After all, investigations wouldn't bring back any of the dead fans. But people persisted, the truth came out, and some horrible procedures were uncovered and changed as a result. It turned out the people originally blamed weren't at fault at all. But in your world, they should have just kept silent and moved on.
I doubt this braindead, mouth-breathing, slack-jaw, tO$U b1g Shiz-hole fan even knows what Hillsborough is or what you are referring to.
I am one alum that doesn't give a damn if the entire university burns to the ground - along with the whole pathetic commonwealth of Pennsylvania - if thats what it takes to undue the injustice to Paterno. It might actually be divine justice if that were the outcome.
