Stopped on by local Wal-Mart this morning here in the San Diego area.
Per Loudspeaker: " Free Moderna and Pfizer vaccine shots. No Waiting."
Checked with the Pharmacy. Yup re freebie.
No one in line.
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OT: USA COVID-19 Vaccination Updates
- Thread starter Tom McAndrew
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Per Loudspeaker: " Free Moderna and Pfizer vaccine shots. No Waiting."
Checked with the Pharmacy. Yup re freebie.
No one in line.
,,,300
They cite Polk County, Missouri, as proof. Yet no cases have been reported in that county in the last week.
It's (basically) summer!!! The Flu always hides in the summer!!! All you people thinking the vaccines and masks are THE reason that hospitalizations are down are insane. The so-called cases will be up in October. (Though "breakthrough" cases apparently now only count when the patient is hospitalized, not the asymptomatic b.s. we saw for the first 12 months of COVID.) Surely there are a handful here who want to argue me. That's fine. It's an opinion, but my prediction will be proven correct by data in 4-6 months.
I was wondering what the standard of care is these days, this is what I found at the NIH site.
So hospitalized means admitted. Thanks.I was wondering what the standard of care is these days, this is what I found at the NIH site.
so you are saying the fact that over 65% of adults and over 50% of the population have been vaccinated, including about 80% of those who who made up 95% of the historical hospitalizations has no bearing?
Nope. That's not what I'm saying. It's a seasonal respiratory virus. The vaccinations are just like the flu vaccines, relatively effective, but not 100%. Not likely to be long lasting.
I don't think you have any idea what you're talking about here
"Cases" will be up in October. Just watch. The question is will all of the vaccinated people revert to masks thinking that the masks will save them from the partially effective vaccines?
today, the hosts laughs and thinks it's funny. Several months ago he would condescend by telling you to follow the science while Big Tech deplatformed you.
I don't think that is in question. However stating that vaccines will wear off in 6-9 months is not factual
yes...and they are coming in at 95%+ effective. If cases goes up any significant amount, it will be for people not vaxxed. But expect the press to say that there is a xx% increase over June so the numbers look higher.
I don't mean that. Boosters will likely be needed. This is not the Polio vaccine that is no longer needed after x number of doses. It's also not the Polio vaccine which is essentially 100% effective at preventing transmission. COVID isn't going away. Get used to it. It is a seasonal respiratory virus that will come back in October with another media infused vengeance. Nothing I have said here is incorrect.
But case count is not apples to apples comparison anymore since the CDC stopped counting asymptomatic breakthrough cases.
Imagine if we never counted asymptomatic "cases"
we'd be long done with the pandemic
we'd be long done with the pandemic
Agreed...I expect an uptick, but it will slowly circle the drain. If you reduce infections by 80% per year, it won't take long to get it to statistically zero. Plus, we bought time for further research and advancements. I wouldn't be surprised if the "booster shot" you mentioned is just incorporated into seasonal flu shots just like we got five years ago.
COVID isn't going away. Get used to it.
And neither will these annual death statistics:
- Heart disease: 659,041
- Cancer: 599,601
- Accidents (unintentional injuries): 173,040
- Chronic lower respiratory diseases: 156,979
- Stroke (cerebrovascular diseases): 150,005
- Alzheimer’s disease: 121,499
- Diabetes: 87,647
- Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome, and nephrosis: 51,565
- Influenza and pneumonia: 49,783
- Intentional self-harm (suicide): 47,511
What is your point?
My point is that the relative safety many are starting to feel will change when COVID numerically returns in October.
Thanks.
For those fully vaccinated, assuming the breakthrough statistics remain the same, they would have no reason to not feel safe.
As for those unvaccinated, they have never been concerned about safety as shown by their failure to get vaccinated after the January-March surge.
Perhaps the relative safety people feel may not change all that much.
Did these folk have covid, or did they just have a cross-immunity for covid due to some other exposure?
Well, the vaccines appear to last at least one year and there is evidence they should last longer. Some are now saying it could last for several years. There seems to be not just antibodies but also T-cell production along with other immune system reactions.
That's not saying there won’t be variants appearing that require additional shots. They might call that a booster. Additionally, if there is a pick up in case numbers the media and government apparatchiks will certainly hype it up. Say we are at 300 deaths for Aug-Oct. Then in Nov it goes to 600. The fear porn experts will scream ‘50% increase in deaths’ 😫🤪😰😱even though it will be far below Nov 2020 numbers.
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I don't think so. about 60% are vaxxed meaning the infection rate will go down by at least 60%. That would also suggest the hospital and mortality rate will drop 60%. Add in, I don't know, another 20% that were infected, were non symptomatic and never knew, and you've got an 80% drop. Research is showing the shot and/or infection will be good at least a year.
So the mortality rate is something less than 1%. If there is an 80% drop, the mortality rate will be .2%.
I wouldn't call that "numerically returning". Maybe you would. This number does approach the normal flu and if you take out people over 65 you approach a number that is close to statistically zero (less than 0.5% or rounded down to zero)
Well, that would be a 100% increase in deaths, but point taken. All of the data is garbage anyway.
Vaccines are also likely to be less effective than natural immunity from a previous infection.
You really have no clue about anything you are typing. The seasonal flu vaccine is made for a set of flu viruses that are thought to become predominant based upon studies. Each year you get a DIFFERENT flu vaccine produced specifically for that year. Sometimes they get it right and sometimes they don't.
Here's a short description of the virus selection process for you to read and I'd recommend you read it twice.
Selecting Viruses for the Seasonal Flu Vaccine
Vaccine composition is reviewed each year and updated as needed based on which influenza viruses are making people sick.
www.cdc.gov
Here is the first line of the summary:
"The seasonal influenza (flu) vaccine is designed to protect against the three or four influenza viruses that research indicates are most likely to spread and cause illness among people during the upcoming flu season."
They haven't gotten it right in several years.
Past Seasons’ Vaccine Effectiveness (VE) Estimates
Find seasonal flu VE estimates from past seasons.
www.cdc.gov
the sad part is what will play the biggest role in what the response in come the fall is whether or not the governors of states are finally stripped of their emergency powers. If they are, zero chance they get them back and zero chance the general public is going to voluntarily quarantine and shut down and mask up and have 50% capacity, etc...but if the governors still have their emergency powers to essentially act unilaterly, I could see a lot of things coming back around. especially in the states that were very strict the first time around (CA, NY, NJ, PA, etc...)
If those governors come hard with their restrictions after 1.5 years of it and a brief bout of freedom, then there will almost certainly be mutiny. No way people are going to give up freedoms for over a year, get it back for like a summer, and then comply with the BS again. It just won't happen.
Depends where you live. State College and the surroundings love the mask and rubber gloves dance. Some still won't give it up. It's their religion.
Maths.
They are doing that now with the delta variant. I’m sure the variant is probably more contagious. With vaccines and natural immunity it almost has to be to have cases go up. But it’s not anything like last year at this time. And then we were all masked and locked down. Now we are all but open and unmasked and still not seeing near the cases. But some headlines would make you believe otherwise.
Why are you sure it's more contagious?Maths.
They are doing that now with the delta variant. I’m sure the variant is probably more contagious. With vaccines and natural immunity it almost has to be to have cases go up. But it’s not anything like last year at this time. And then we were all masked and locked down. Now we are all but open and unmasked and still not seeing near the cases. But some headlines would make you believe otherwise.
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