This China-India conflict is not good
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But my little toe has more morals and intestinal fortitude than their mighty brains.
It wouldn't start that way, no. But when it's clear to one side that they are losing, they are going to reach for the button. The only way to avoid a disastrous war is not to get it started. BTW, neither side was using live ammo in this last conflict- it was hand to hand with clubs and rocks. Why? because neither country issues ammo to the border troops- just to avoid a shooting incident.
Some ought not talk about brains.
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Interesting stuff. Keep in mind Pakistan just gained independence from India in 1956, IIRC. They have had many battles since, hate and mistrust each other.
Here's one big issue between the US, Pakistan, and India: when the Soviets invaded Afghanistan, we supported tribes affiliated with India. Pakistan feared having India on one side and an Afghanistan siding with India on the other so Pakistan supported the Taliban. Thats why there has been no peace in Afghanistan. Neither India or Pakistan want a strong Afghani government.
Hard to predict any alliances or outcomes in the Mid East or the Indian subcontinent as alliances there shift like sand dunes in the wind. Allies today could be enemies in five years. And vice versa. Even Russia and China have had border wars.
Best we can do is keep a balance of power so no one feels strong enough to win a war.
The story coming out now is crazy. Yesterday it was 2 Indian soldiers were killed. Now it’s 20 Indian soldiers were killed and 43 Chinese soldiers killed or injured (China won’t release how many died).
They apparently attacked one another with rocks, impaled each other with iron rods, threw many off of a cliff on a narrow mountain pass, and left others to freeze to death.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...soldiers-fought-death-nail-studded-clubs.html
Well we won't, so fvck you. And when you're involved, the discussion can't be "intelligent."
Fog of war. Initial reports are often incomplete or erroneous, particularly when clashes take place in remote mountain areas, and we're talking the Himalayas here.
I'm handicapped here, at a loss to figure out an elegant way to dispose of a turd.
Hmmm. IDK as much as I like Indian food I love Chinese food.
GF was born in Mumbai. Since I know what's good for me I'll be on Team India.
In any conflict between India and China, the US will side with India. We have taken over the old British Empire and have, consequently, adopted their geopolitical strategy. As stated by Winston Churchill, the British would work with the weaker nations against the stronger in order to keep them becoming even more powerful.
Also, in a foreign policy magazine I read, the author of an article said that in terms of geopolitics, the area around Afghanistan/Pakistan is the center of the world. So much is there (think energy resources) and China's new silk route. Very important region.. Since the US geopolitical aim is to control (not own but control) all the world's energy, then this area is a problem for the US.
Also, in a foreign policy magazine I read, the author of an article said that in terms of geopolitics, the area around Afghanistan/Pakistan is the center of the world. So much is there (think energy resources) and China's new silk route. Very important region.. Since the US geopolitical aim is to control (not own but control) all the world's energy, then this area is a problem for the US.
Hmmm. IDK as much as I like Indian food I love Chinese food.
Tough call.
On one side we have butter chicken, dal, tandoori chicken, chicken tika, and butter or garlic nann, to name a few.
On the other side we have general tso's chicken (american chinese), chow mein, peking duck, sichuan pork, hotpot, sweet and sour anything, etc.
If I'm in the U.S., Chinese wins out, solely because of the general chicken - you will rarely find it outside America.
Outside the U.S, it is no contest. Indian food for sure.
Hmmm. IDK as much as I like Indian food I love Chinese food.
Are we talking kung pao chicken vs tandoori chicken or are we talking the authentic Chinese? Indian food served in the US isn't that far off from what I ate in Mumbai. I haven't been to China, but I have friends who lived their and have taken me to restaurants that serve what they "real" Chinese food. The only time when I have been more surprised by what I ate was when I ordered cheese pierogis in Krakow.
In light of recent events involving bats and boiling water I'm going to say American Chinese.
how far away are we from "nuclear lo, mein" and "napalm chickpea curry"?
My understand regarding the cause of this incident was the fact the China made some junk product and that was then sold in China. The unhappy Chinese users then called the Customer Service help line and it was poorly handled by the India based call center reps.
From what I've read China gets one, maybe two cracks at us in terms of a nuclear strike. Russia only gets one crack at us. My point is that if either country goes the nuclear weapons route they have very little room for error. If they fail, we can and most likely will annihilate them, and I mean total and complete devastation. Domestically, we will most likely have to endure a dictatorship for at least a decade. Think of it as a modern day reconstruction act. Let's all hope that cooler minds prevail.
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seriously? I am pretty sure anybody fires a nuclear weapon at the usa, with the platform of nuke subs and all the nuke silos in the usa, i have a hard time believing there would not be a whole lot of missiles going back at whomever shot them.
knock on wood, don't see a nuclear war happening unless almost by mistake such that some crazy military person defies orders with no authorization and somehow shoots a few off and then the dominoes fall from there. I cannot see any world leader (outside of North Korea as he is truly crazy) ever authorizing a nuclear strike. if there is going to be a actual military strike by a country against another, it is going to be a smart bomb/missile of some sort that is fired at a specific target.
What is Chinese Chicken really? Only the Chinese cook really knows.
Post_ShockTherapy_MackDaddy
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Who the fvck is selling arms to China, then?!?
https://www.armscontrol.org/act/2005-09/us-israel-reach-china-arms-deal
Couldn't you have at least located a source that's a little more recent?
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Since then, PRC just steals the technology and builds the stuff themselves.
Think 14 Trident Missile boats with 24 missiles each - that will ruin your day and I doubt they get taken out with a first strike - MAD at work.
My bigger fear is someone like Iran or Pakistan supplying one to a terrorist group to give them plausible deniability. Iran gives one to a terror group. It gets put on container ship, maybe switch ships at sea a couple times to hinder tracing. Then launch from 300 miles offshore high over East Coast, sink ship immediately so no ones knows. EMP attack. Maybe another over West Coast, one over Europe. World in a serious hurt.
Correct, they don't need to buy arms from anyone.
The reverse engineered and stolen military technology always reminds me of the bootleg purses, watches, and shoes that come from China. Cheap, yet not any where near the quality of the original. It amazes me how almost everything they make is a cheap knock off. You would think a country that large could come up with a couple original ideas at some point.
The free world needs to cut them off. They need us much more than we need them. American companies would take an initial hit, but then they'll move all their manufacturing to other non-hostile Asian and South American countries. Remember in the 80's when everything was made in the Philippines? Then China began manipulating their currency and cheating the global economy.
Iran doesn't have nuclear weapons. They day they manufacture one, there will be a few fighters flying from Israel into Iranian airspace - most likely, secretly authorized through Saudi air space.
Iran's current Ayatollah, Khamenei, had disavowed weapons of mass destruction as being non-islamic, so Iran is not in the nuclear business or search. Confirmed by US and Israeli intelligence services. I would look for a war to be a disruption of our computer networks and those pulse bombs that destroy our electronic grid. Stuff like that. No one wants nuclear war. And Kim, in North Korea, is not nuts either.
Don't be so sure. When ever NK did a nuke test, Iranian scientists were there. It is believed Iran helped finance their program and gave significant technical support. It was a way for Iran to develop nukes away from Israeli's reach. I am sure they expect something in return.
Yes- Iran’s leadership class is so trustworthy. Let’s go with that.
I really don't think they have a bomb yet. They haven't conducted any nuclear tests. It is really difficult to develop a nuclear weapon without testing. They are definitely trying to actively develop one though.
If you want an interesting read, check out this article about the Stuxnet virus that infiltrated Iranian nuclear enrichment facilities -
https://www.wired.com/2014/11/countdown-to-zero-day-stuxnet/
Didn’t the Israelis get a huge truckload of Iranian nuclear weapons research documents in a raid 2 years ago? Last I read, the IAEA says it is still banned from 2 secret Iranian nuclear sites found in those documents. Plus, German intelligence just announced a few days ago that Iran is still working to produce WMD through contacts in Germany. I can’t believe anyone takes an Iranian Ayatollah’s word seriously.
