Yep, just keep voting for the same ones or their clones. smh
What a schmo. People bring it up all the time. And none of them read this board to be reminded. Be a smart ass and call people joebots for trying fight for the truth and proper justice. Doesn’t make you look better. Makes you look childish.
$hit, I thought Neanderthals like you became extinct 40 thousand yrs ago.....
I find it fascinating though. I've heard said, whether fair or not, you are often remembered by the last bad thing you do. So it is with history.
GFY with the “Joebots” reference, Karen. Have a nice day!
Yep, karma is a bitch. Joe sold out to get his 409. Hope it was worth it because he paid a hell of a price for it.
A shame indeed and I really liked him before all this although I did at the time think he had stayed too long and should have retired. I wonder if he had stepped down after getting the record over Bryant whether the scandal would have hit him as hard? Oh well.
Yep so did ' One Term Tommy ' and it cost him 4 years in the Governor's mansion! He should have treated us Joebots better and taken a little responsibility for not doing his former job, when JS supposed crimes happened under his watch.
Except the undeniable fact that Joe didn't sell out to get 409.
Sure he did. He advised a lowering of expectations, installed his idiot son as an assistant and did his "coaching" from the pressbox. Just to get to that magic number. Joe had a huge ego, loved to get his smart-ass comments in. His mouth got him fired with insubordinate statements.
I think this is why the BOT cancelled that presser Joe had scheduled that fateful week. Previously the year before Joe had popped off (as us old curmudgeons do
) after the Alabama game and the press would have eaten him alive with questions about Sandusky and Joe would have popped off bad and then it would have been worse. His retirement announcement was his telling the BOT I'll tell YOU when I am ready to go. I think advanced age caused that.
I think you are right about that and that only speaks to the incredible power that Paterno had within the state. Maybe Bryant had that but no other coach I can think of had the influence of JoePa and Corbett learned the hard way.
So, Penn State will continue. But will it learn from it's mistakes? You left out one key element when you described how do pedophiles get into august institutions and that is that leadership by it's silence and inaction lets them. Sandusky was identified by a licensed Psychologist as a likely pedophile in 1998 by Alicia Chambers and she gave her report to the Penn State police! Penn State took no action and the truthers STILL say nothing was found in 1998! It was and the beat went on. This is what must be learned...and stopped.
You are so full of it. The police investigated and set up an undercover sting to ensnare him. They had him talk to,the mother of the a kid while they listened and he didn’t say anything that he could be charged with. And the law says any contact must be sexual in nature and they had no evidence of such. Therefore no charges were filed.
Tom Corbett said it best about prosecuting a pillar of the community. You've got one chance and you better win or it's over after that. Gricar was an ELECTED official and Sandusky was beloved by Penn State fans and folks in State College. He didn't have enough to prosecute Sandusky then BUT Penn State had more than enough information including Chamber's report to know about and restrict Sandusky from further showering with kids on their campus and they did nothing but continue to allow him back on campus with kids. Detective Scheffler wanted to prosecute Sandusky then but the elected DA saw that case as political suicide and bowed out. Penn State could have acted though and chose not to. Kids paid.
Still waiting for the never ending journalistic circle jerk linking Dr. Strauss to to$u, Dr. Anderson to scUM, and Dr. Nassar to MSU. How conveniently those incidents have been forgotten.
You left out multiple key elements of the story when you conveniently ignored the facts that (1) the 1998 incident was investigated by the Pennsylvania Department of Public Welfare and the DPW investigator declined to file a report indicating child abuse; (2) the Centre County Child and Youth Services agency also investigated and also declined to file an indicated report and (3) in 1998 the Centre County District Attorney declined to prosecute the 1998 shower assault despite the ADA's view that he should.
Neither does anybody talk about how OSU ran off serial murderer and poisoner Michael Swango after one of his victims lived but gave him recommendations on his way out the door that allowed him to beome a licensed doctor and continue killing instead of turning him over to the police.
You are mistaken on several points which I will address. I have explained why the DA neglected to file charges in 1998 but that in no way excuses Penn State from enacting policies that would have prevented Jerry Sandusky from abusing more boys on their campus. What was clear was that Penn State was told by a licensed Psychologist that Jerry Sandusky was a likely pedophile in 1998.
She did indeed call the Hotline and that brought in Jerry Lauro.
There is such a record and it was part of the police report that Penn State hid in the admin files to keep it from being found by the media. She gave the report to Detective Scheffler and that has been widely and correctly reported. Chambers only needed ethically to give her report to the Penn State University Police which she did and it then became their responsibility to take further action or share it as they needed to. They did not do so. Curley met with Raykovitz in 2001 not 1998. Second Mile had no knowledge of 1998 until the indictment of Sandusky. Curley exonerated Raykovitz at Spanier's trial by saying that he told Jack nothing. Curley had to maintain the fiction. He couldn't say he told Spanier it was nothing but then told Raycovitz is was something. His ploy failed. He tried the same trick at Spanier's trial when he pled guilty and then got amnesia in front of his supporters to save face, that is why he got the most jail time according to the judge.
I hold Penn State's leadership accountable for the cover up of Sandusky's crimes as I think it important for the higher up for once to be held to account. Often the lower level folks are blamed and punished and the whistle blowers attacked (McQueary) and the big shots get off. But not this time. We all have shortcomings but it fascinates me how some tie their lives to a football program, coach and school to the extent that they will ignore wrongdoing by said folk.
I'm not familiar with the case you mention but to my knowledge no FSU administrators went to jail for covering it up. Secondly, I am not defending this guy and trying to pretend it didn't happen either so I am not a hypocrite. These situations (Sandusky) exist in some form throughout most all large powerful institutions. The lesson from Penn State, Roman Catholic Church and the Boy Scouts is that you must be on the lookout for such and not cover them up to protect yourself as it makes the eventual accounting much more painful to all. So, this punishment of Spanier and Curley and Schultz is long overdue. What school it happens at should not be the issue. Two wrongs don't make a right. I come here to offer a counter narrative to the fictional truther narrative that a minority have adopted. A lie not challenged may become accepted as true.
Probably because these individuals were not held up repeatedly and arrogantly to the public as paragons of virtue? As in We Are! Better than you?
So I just bought the Sunday Pittsburgh Tribune and guess what the headline was? If you guessed Sandusky must have just been a lucky guess.
I'm not sure the truth is with you but the passion sure is. I guess that is somewhat admirable? Fascinating that a football coach can inspire that.
Well, he was far more than a football coach. Guess you don’t understand that since most other schools hire just football coaches.
Well said and I can't disagree. That was his image that I remember prior to this scandal. I think that is why the public and the media came down so hard on him while they haven't on say the Larry Nasser scandal. Nasser was a relative nobody but Paterno was the icon. The higher you are the longer the fall. I think he realized that in the end but too late (at least according to Pozanski). Joe was held to a high standard because he preached it and appeared to live it. You are right in that at Penn State he was far far more than just the football coach. But that also explains why we would expect him to do more than pass the buck in order to stop a monster who was abusing kids.
With his ‘nole’ moniker he is probably one of Bowden’s kids....pissed that Joe is recognized as the winningest coach in college football history.
The reason that Sandusky was all over the drive-by media was that Paterno was a nationally recognized name that would generate ratings, and therefore, dollars. It wasn’t due to any perceived moral superiority. Your argument has more holes than F$U’s defense.
Sorry bud
Oh please…just stick it with your fake moralizing. Joe was a good man who did what he should have done, which is even more evident given the post-scandal NCAA policies that determined that a coach should do what Joe did…AND NO MORE…for legal and moral reasons.
I am sure that Bobby is more than happy to let Joe have the record and the infamy of the scandal along with it. Sandusky is the asterisk besides 409.
