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SCOTUS just overturned the ban on sports betting 7-2

Technically speaking, you're supposed to report all gambling winnings both federally and state, but that obviously doesn't happen. If you win over a certain minimum amount(depending on the game) the casino/gambling house is supposed to issue a W2-G, essentially forcing you to claim that specific amount of winnings on your taxes.

I'd venture to guess that States assume revenues would increase due to many bets being taken off the black market into more legitimate areas, leading to more reported income winnings.
Thanks....can you deduct losses against winnings? I believe you can. And, if so, almost impossible to track. Finally, I know tons of people that claim they won, but under further discussion, you find that (over time) they've really lost. I mean, they didn't build the Bellagio or Cosmo (et all) because the casinos were bleeding cash.

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Thanks....can you deduct losses against winnings? I believe you can. And, if so, almost impossible to track. Finally, I know tons of people that claim they won, but under further discussion, you find that (over time) they've really lost. I mean, they didn't build the Bellagio or Cosmo (et all) because the casinos were bleeding cash.

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Yes you can deduct gambling losses to the extent of winnings. However, if someone does this to wipe out a large percentage of what is reported on W-2Gs, that person had better be able to substantiate it.
 
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Tax the bet, then tax the winnings, then tax the bet + the winnings, then apply a transaction fee, a license fee, and of course a $5 fee to help problem, degenerate gamblers.

Yup, just like it works with alcoholism.
 
Tax the bet, then tax the winnings, then tax the bet + the winnings, then apply a transaction fee, a license fee, and of course a $5 fee to help problem, degenerate gamblers.

Let me tell you how it will be
There's one for you, nineteen for me
'Cause I'm the taxman, yeah, I'm the taxman

Should five per cent appear too small
Be thankful I don't take it all
'Cause I'm the taxman, yeah I'm the taxman

If you drive a car, I'll tax the street,
If you try to sit, I'll tax your seat.
If you get too cold I'll tax the heat,
If you take a walk, I'll tax your feet.

Don't ask me what I want it for
If you don't want to pay some more
'Cause I'm the taxman, yeah, I'm the taxman

Now my advice for those who die
Declare the pennies on your eyes
'Cause I'm the taxman, yeah, I'm the taxman

And you're working for no one but me.
 
Thanks....can you deduct losses against winnings? I believe you can. And, if so, almost impossible to track. Finally, I know tons of people that claim they won, but under further discussion, you find that (over time) they've really lost. I mean, they didn't build the Bellagio or Cosmo (et all) because the casinos were bleeding cash.

bellagio-01.jpg


You can deduct losses from winnings, problem there is that requires meticulous record keeping, dating, keeping receipts of all bets, losing scratch offs, etc. Basically stuff the average gambler doesn't do. How many discarded scratch offs end up in the trash and losing tickets ripped up? Is anyone keeping track of throwing a $20 cash bet on black that ends up an immediate loser?

That kind of goes hand in hand with the fact everybody thinks they "win." You always remember hitting on a huge bet for a thousand bucks, you never "remember" the first 20 losers you bet on @ $50 a pop.
 
I’m hoping that this also helps with the offshore industry as competition grows...it’ll be nice to have increased outs here in NJ, but I’m sure that -110 will be the best case, and the tax situation makes offshore still look like the more appealing option.
 
I'll bet its faster than that...as states look to increase tax income. Wouldn't be surprised to see states get together and come up with some standards. Regardless, gambling on sports is going big time. The only reason why I am for it is because the NCAA was against it.
Corruption and politicians lining their pocket will be the big push.
 
Corruption and politicians lining their pocket will be the big push.
You can bet a lot of politicians are adjusting their portfolios today. Draft Kings and the like were backed by a lot of NFL owners (jones and Kraft to name two) and insiders.
 
I don't think this hurts Vegas nearly as much as it helps Atlantic City.
Bingo!
And every other locality with a casino—and more importantly the interwebz, which is where many will now turn and which will be far more easily monitored AND TAXED.

Sales tax on the internet has now come along far enough that they’re moving on to the next step... let’s be honest, betting on sports was never that difficult for those who wanted to do it. MAY be an increase in sports betting. Will DEFINITELY be an increase in organized sports betting.
 
Let me tell you how it will be
There's one for you, nineteen for me
'Cause I'm the taxman, yeah, I'm the taxman

Should five per cent appear too small
Be thankful I don't take it all
'Cause I'm the taxman, yeah I'm the taxman

If you drive a car, I'll tax the street,
If you try to sit, I'll tax your seat.
If you get too cold I'll tax the heat,
If you take a walk, I'll tax your feet.

Don't ask me what I want it for
If you don't want to pay some more
'Cause I'm the taxman, yeah, I'm the taxman

Now my advice for those who die
Declare the pennies on your eyes
'Cause I'm the taxman, yeah, I'm the taxman

And you're working for no one but me.
 
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So we are free to develop a gambling problem and shatter our lives and those of our loved ones?

Cut the crap and just watch the games. ACTION. :eek:

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It’s called freedom and responsibility. Also, do you really think that sports gambling isn’t happening today?
 
I'll bet its faster than that...as states look to increase tax income. Wouldn't be surprised to see states get together and come up with some standards. Regardless, gambling on sports is going big time. The only reason why I am for it is because the NCAA was against it.

First, booze; Second marijuana; Third gambling....

...now we need to legalize prostitution.

 
It’s called freedom and responsibility. Also, do you really think that sports gambling isn’t happening today?
Agree....the problem is, like obesity or smoking, those who do not participate end up taking some level of consequence. Fact is, state govts will make a ton of money. Are they going to funnel that back into programs to help those inflicted? I doubt it....look for your taxes to go up.
 
Thanks....can you deduct losses against winnings? I believe you can. And, if so, almost impossible to track. Finally, I know tons of people that claim they won, but under further discussion, you find that (over time) they've really lost. I mean, they didn't build the Bellagio or Cosmo (et all) because the casinos were bleeding cash.

I am not sure I ever met somebody that admitted to losing money betting. But as you point out, the casino's are not built from charitable donations. I remember a good friend I had in elementary and junior high school. They moved out to Reno, Nevada because his dad took a promotion to move out there as they were building a new production facility there. I remember going out to see him the following summer and his dad was rarely around, always at the casino's. The mom and kids came back east to visit the following summer and I remember sitting in my room playing games and hearing his mother talk to my parents in the living room that the husband was addicted to gambling and ruining their family. Essentially when the kids went to bed, he would goto the casino and stay out to the early morning, come back and get a few hours sleep and goto work. Rinse and repeat every day. Slept all day on the weekends to make up for staying out all night during the week gambling. She wasn't sure if he was winning or losing as the bank account was always like a roller coaster up and down. A few years later, they moved out of Reno as the husband had a come to Jesus moment and recognized he had to get away or he would never stop and they moved back to the East coast.
 
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First, booze; Second marijuana; Third gambling....

...now we need to legalize prostitution.



Yeah..its called Vegas. I was there last week, stayed at the Cosmo....awesome place. Don't forget to talk to locals and they will fill you in on what goes on in the city, where the tourists don't go. Attend an AA meeting, check out the homeless that are transported away from the happy money spenders. Take note of the corruption and infrastructure. When someone hands you a photo of a porn star and suggests they can hook you up with her for $40, ask about their definition of human trafficking.

Also, may sure you check out Hoover Dan...way cool.
 
I am not sure I ever met somebody that admitted to losing money betting. But as you point out, the casino's are not built from charitable donations. I remember a good friend I had in elementary and junior high school. They moved out to Reno, Nevada because his dad took a promotion to move out there as they were building a new production facility there. I remember going out to see him the following summer and his dad was rarely around, always at the casino's. The mom and kids came back east to visit the following summer and I remember sitting in my room playing games and hearing his mother talk to my parents in the living room that the husband was addicted to gambling and ruining their family. Essentially when the kids went to bed, he would goto the casino and stay out to the early morning, come back and get a few hours sleep and goto work. Rinse and repeat every day. Slept all day on the weekends to make up for staying out all night during the week gambling. She wasn't sure if he was winning or losing as the bank account was always like a roller coaster up and down. A few years later, they moved out of Reno as the husband had a come to Jesus moment and recognized he had to get away or he would never stop and they moved back to the East coast.
I always get a kick out of people stating that they are "physically conservative but socially progressive" without ever connecting the dots that one affects the other. I always think "well wouldn't that be nice!?" I can eat candy all day and not get fat! If there were only unicorns that crapped rainbows.
 
I always get a kick out of people stating that they are "physically conservative but socially progressive" without ever connecting the dots that one affects the other. I always think "well wouldn't that be nice!?" I can eat candy all day and not get fat! If there were only unicorns that crapped rainbows.

Assuming you meant fiscally conservative, I am what you describe. I think you seem to ignore that while there are costs associated, there are also financial benefits. So I don't think we've just "failed to connect the dots," we've just connected different ones than you.
 
Assuming you meant fiscally conservative, I am what you describe. I think you seem to ignore that while there are costs associated, there are also financial benefits. So I don't think we've just "failed to connect the dots," we've just connected different ones than you.
fair enough. In my mind, there is a responsibility with freedom. You are free to drink a case of beer a day...but at some point, you are likely to need a liver transplant (an example for one of 100 different ailments that you won't be able to pay for and will drain resources at the govt level, insurance, and medical). there IS a price to be paid for freedom of choice. And the more freedoms you give, the higher the price. There is a reason for the food and drug admin, among others.

it is a continuum...you can go the way of a Soviet Union or Nazi germany and simply let those in need die (old, infirm, mentally unstable). Or, you can go the way of hard socialist countries where everyone is equal and paid for (where there is so much burden on govt it becomes virtually useless.). These are, of course, extremes, but it is clear there is a continuum.

So, my point is, as you allow people to drink, get high and eat sugary drinks, you add to the financial burden of govt. then, that same burden hurts fiscal conservancy because it increases social program spending (far and away, the highest portion of the federal budget).

I'll leave it there as I don't want to clutter up this board.
 
DUI laws already include controlled substances. It's strange for anyone to claim legal weed will result in a deluge people driving under the influence of THC. People already do it and are arrested for doing so. But I digress. The OP was about sports betting.

Proving DUIs based on Marijuana is much more difficult than alcohol. There are no currently accepted standards for how much THC in the system is too much. And yes, here in California, the number of suspected Under the Influence caused accidents is up since MJ has been made legal for recreational use.
 
I always get a kick out of people stating that they are "physically conservative but socially progressive" without ever connecting the dots that one affects the other. I always think "well wouldn't that be nice!?" I can eat candy all day and not get fat! If there were only unicorns that crapped rainbows.

I am fiscally conservative but socially progressive. In other words, I think people should be given leeway in their life choices, but don't expect taxpayers to fund those choices....
 
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I am fiscally conservative but socially progressive. In other words, I think people should be given leeway in their life choices, but don't expect taxpayers to fund those choices....
I agree....but expect your taxes to continue to increase.
 
As I see it the problem is that this gives a big new source of revenue to the states that they don't have to justify. Government spends money inefficiently so it should have to grovel to taxpayers to get tax money, which will incentivize them to not waste it so much. But instead with things like the lottery or sports gambling what we essentially have is people lining up to give their money to the government.

I'd prefer the government take all the money it makes on sports betting and use it to just cut checks and send them to taxpayers. And if the government wants some of that money back for a new program, try to justify it to voters and if they succeed then they get it.
 
I'll bet its faster than that...as states look to increase tax income. Wouldn't be surprised to see states get together and come up with some standards. Regardless, gambling on sports is going big time. The only reason why I am for it is because the NCAA was against it.
Wv has a sports betting bill passed and awaiting this decision.
 
I’m hoping that this also helps with the offshore industry as competition grows...it’ll be nice to have increased outs here in NJ, but I’m sure that -110 will be the best case, and the tax situation makes offshore still look like the more appealing option.
I'm curious how it will affect withdrawals and deposits via US banks.
Will I be able to just get a check when I withdrawal from my offshore acct?
 
Proving DUIs based on Marijuana is much more difficult than alcohol. There are no currently accepted standards for how much THC in the system is too much. And yes, here in California, the number of suspected Under the Influence caused accidents is up since MJ has been made legal for recreational use.

Yeah, I don't believe that.
 
I'm curious how it will affect withdrawals and deposits via US banks.
Will I be able to just get a check when I withdrawal from my offshore acct?
Very doubtful, as granting the states the ability to control their betting is independent of the Fed’s governance of using US banks to fund gambling transactions. Though with the ease of Bitcoin, I’m not sure how often I’d use checks even if I could.
 
Very doubtful, as granting the states the ability to control their betting is independent of the Fed’s governance of using US banks to fund gambling transactions. Though with the ease of Bitcoin, I’m not sure how often I’d use checks even if I could.
I've only used bitcoin to transfer between offshore accounts. Is it pretty simple to convert bitcoin to cash and deposit in a bank acct?
 
I'm curious how it will affect withdrawals and deposits via US banks.
Will I be able to just get a check when I withdrawal from my offshore acct?
I believe any withdrawal, of winnings, will be taxable. I think moving money to offshore accounts is the same as moving the money to any offshore bank or entity. If you move the money via a US Bank, THEY will report it to Uncle Sam. (actually, all banks are required to report international money movement be they US or no-US banks).
 
It’s called freedom and responsibility. Also, do you really think that sports gambling isn’t happening today?

People wouldn’t do it if it were illegal.

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In a rush to be OUTRAGED. :eek: , I won’t often ever make sense. You can bet on it. :eek:
 
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