SAIP: Gnat91's post reminded me of this recent article RE left-wing authoritarianism....

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I can't count how many times I've heard Trump was a dictator. But what I'm seeing is the potato in chief implementing all kind of unconstitutional bullshit because the Democratic party wants complete and total control over the masses.

Have you guys all seen this article (below)? Neither side is going to like it all that much, but truth will hurt more to the lefties I think as it focuses on something they think doesn't even exists in their extremes - let alone in their mainstream. Of course, lefties lack the intellectual curiosity to even read articles like this, so maybe it won't hurt them at all.

The Experts Somehow Overlooked Authoritarians on the Left​

Many psychologists wrongly assumed that coercive attitudes exist only among conservatives.
By Sally Satel
Illustration of a head an animal head inside.

Getty; The Atlantic
September 25, 2021

About the author: Sally Satel is a psychiatrist, a resident scholar at the American Enterprise Institute, and the co-author of Brainwashed: The Seductive Appeal of Mindless Neuroscience. She is a visiting professor at the Vagelos College of Physicians and Surgeons at Columbia University.

Donald Trump’s rise to power generated a flood of media coverage and academic research on authoritarianism—or at least the kind of authoritarianism that exists on the political right. Over the past several years, some researchers have theorized that Trump couldn’t have won in 2016 without support from Americans who deplore political compromise and want leaders to rule with a strong hand. Although right-wing authoritarianism is well documented, social psychologists do not all agree that a leftist version even exists. In February 2020, the Society for Personality and Social Psychology held a symposium called “Is Left-Wing Authoritarianism Real? Evidence on Both Sides of the Debate.”

An ambitious new study on the subject by the Emory University researcher Thomas H. Costello and five colleagues should settle the question. It proposes a rigorous new measure of antidemocratic attitudes on the left. And, by drawing on a survey of 7,258 adults, Costello’s team firmly establishes that such attitudes exist on both sides of the American electorate. (One co-author on the paper, I should note, was Costello’s adviser, the late Scott Lilienfeld—with whom I wrote a 2013 book and numerous articles.) Intriguingly, the researchers found some common traits between left-wing and right-wing authoritarians, including a “preference for social uniformity, prejudice towards different others, willingness to wield group authority to coerce behavior, cognitive rigidity, aggression and punitiveness towards perceived enemies, outsized concern for hierarchy, and moral absolutism.”

Link to full article....
 

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Have you guys all seen this article (below)? Neither side is going to like it all that much, but truth will hurt more to the lefties I think as it focuses on something they think doesn't even exists in their extremes - let alone in their mainstream. Of course, lefties lack the intellectual curiosity to even read articles like this, so maybe it won't hurt them at all.

The Experts Somehow Overlooked Authoritarians on the Left​

Many psychologists wrongly assumed that coercive attitudes exist only among conservatives.
By Sally Satel
Illustration of a head an animal head inside.

Getty; The Atlantic
September 25, 2021

About the author: Sally Satel is a psychiatrist, a resident scholar at the American Enterprise Institute, and the co-author of Brainwashed: The Seductive Appeal of Mindless Neuroscience. She is a visiting professor at the Vagelos College of Physicians and Surgeons at Columbia University.

Donald Trump’s rise to power generated a flood of media coverage and academic research on authoritarianism—or at least the kind of authoritarianism that exists on the political right. Over the past several years, some researchers have theorized that Trump couldn’t have won in 2016 without support from Americans who deplore political compromise and want leaders to rule with a strong hand. Although right-wing authoritarianism is well documented, social psychologists do not all agree that a leftist version even exists. In February 2020, the Society for Personality and Social Psychology held a symposium called “Is Left-Wing Authoritarianism Real? Evidence on Both Sides of the Debate.”

An ambitious new study on the subject by the Emory University researcher Thomas H. Costello and five colleagues should settle the question. It proposes a rigorous new measure of antidemocratic attitudes on the left. And, by drawing on a survey of 7,258 adults, Costello’s team firmly establishes that such attitudes exist on both sides of the American electorate. (One co-author on the paper, I should note, was Costello’s adviser, the late Scott Lilienfeld—with whom I wrote a 2013 book and numerous articles.) Intriguingly, the researchers found some common traits between left-wing and right-wing authoritarians, including a “preference for social uniformity, prejudice towards different others, willingness to wield group authority to coerce behavior, cognitive rigidity, aggression and punitiveness towards perceived enemies, outsized concern for hierarchy, and moral absolutism.”

Link to full article....

Yeah, I did see that and read through it a few days ago.

On the one hand, it's significant, appearing as it does in The Atlantic, a bulwark of lib intellectual journalism.

On the other hand, it's a demonstration of the familiar tactic of moral equivalence where libs draw parallels that don't exist in a meaningful way.

In the case at hand, for example, the authoritarians on the Right are on the fringe and have no real power except among kooky extremes. But the authoritarians on the Left are now in the mainstream of the Dem-Media Party and have become the dominant forces in government, media, education, culture, and increasingly even Big Business. There is no equivalence.

Then again, the article at least recognizes an issue and is therefore preferable to the usual lib shtick of staring the most grotesque behavior of their allies straight in the eye and finding nothing at all wrong with it. So in that sense, it's a step in the right direction...just not nearly far enough.
 

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Yeah, I did see that and read through it a few days ago.

On the one hand, it's significant, appearing as it does in The Atlantic, a bulwark of lib intellectual journalism.

On the other hand, it's a demonstration of the familiar tactic of moral equivalence where libs draw parallels that don't exist in a meaningful way.

In the case at hand, for example, the authoritarians on the Right are on the fringe and have no real power except among kooky extremes. But the authoritarians on the Left are now in the mainstream of the Dem-Media Party and have become the dominant forces in government, media, education, culture, and increasingly even Big Business. There is no equivalence.

Then again, the article at least recognizes an issue and is therefore preferable to the usual lib shtick of staring the most grotesque behavior of their allies straight in the eye and finding nothing at all wrong with it. So in that sense, it's a step in the right direction...just not nearly far enough.

Right. I agree 100% on the false moral-equivalence, but any step towards the the more mainstream self-realization of the left's authoritarian nature is a BIG step.

Unfortunately it's human nature to need it, but the false moral-equivalence I'm sure was supplied as a whataboutism-type of coping mechanism to help make the information more palatable and thus more widely consumed by those who most need to consume it.

Even though it's not an accurate equivalence, including it will have a net positive effect.
 
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What is most amazing is that they think this is real news. Anyone paying even a little attention has known this for decades!

Yeah, you're right. But Trump and the "pandemic" really made them puke it all over the place. Prior to Trump, it was much more subtle, and it was at a rate where which it was (relatively) much less harmful -- Easier to keep in check.

Right now, it's out of f*cking control. They can't even control it. Even if they wanted to.
 

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Yeah, I did see that and read through it a few days ago.

On the one hand, it's significant, appearing as it does in The Atlantic, a bulwark of lib intellectual journalism.

On the other hand, it's a demonstration of the familiar tactic of moral equivalence where libs draw parallels that don't exist in a meaningful way.

In the case at hand, for example, the authoritarians on the Right are on the fringe and have no real power except among kooky extremes. But the authoritarians on the Left are now in the mainstream of the Dem-Media Party and have become the dominant forces in government, media, education, culture, and increasingly even Big Business. There is no equivalence.

Then again, the article at least recognizes an issue and is therefore preferable to the usual lib shtick of staring the most grotesque behavior of their allies straight in the eye and finding nothing at all wrong with it. So in that sense, it's a step in the right direction...just not nearly far enough.
Ha! Are you actually saying Trump’s authoritarian fascist movement has not completely taken over the Republican Party?
 

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Yeah, you're right. But Trump and the "pandemic" really made them puke it all over the place. Prior to Trump, it was much more subtle, and it was at a rate where which it was (relatively) much less harmful -- Easier to keep in check.

Right now, it's out of f*cking control. They can't even control it. Even if they wanted to.
At least now it is out in the open and people are becoming aware of it. Prior to this they were very authoritarian and got away with it. Look how ObamaCare was it illegally rammed through. And Obama’s excessive use of executive orders. Misuse of the IRS. Abusing the FISA courts.

Hell, go back to FDR. Or Woodrow Wilson. They are all fascist authoritarians.
 
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Ha! Are you actually saying Trump’s authoritarian fascist movement has not completely taken over the Republican Party?

TRUMPS AUTHORITARIAN FASCIST MOVEMENT.... lmfao.....

Dude, he's telling you you have it back asswards.......
 
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Trump’s fascist movement basically was canceling all the crap that Obama did by executive order. So, in a progressive’s mind, canceling a fascist is fascist.

Phucking NJ.. What a kook.

Here's TRUMP'S AUTHORITARIAN FASCIST MOVEMENT....

It’s Official: Trump Unleashed A Middle-Class Boom That Benefited Women, Minorities Most​


https://issuesinsights.com/2020/09/...ss-boom-that-benefited-women-minorities-most/

Give me another round of Trump's authoritarian fascism please... lol..

#BESTAUTHORITARIANFASCISTEVER!!!
 
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Have you guys all seen this article (below)? Neither side is going to like it all that much, but truth will hurt more to the lefties I think as it focuses on something they think doesn't even exists in their extremes - let alone in their mainstream. Of course, lefties lack the intellectual curiosity to even read articles like this, so maybe it won't hurt them at all.

The Experts Somehow Overlooked Authoritarians on the Left​

Many psychologists wrongly assumed that coercive attitudes exist only among conservatives.
By Sally Satel
Illustration of a head an animal head inside.

Getty; The Atlantic
September 25, 2021

About the author: Sally Satel is a psychiatrist, a resident scholar at the American Enterprise Institute, and the co-author of Brainwashed: The Seductive Appeal of Mindless Neuroscience. She is a visiting professor at the Vagelos College of Physicians and Surgeons at Columbia University.

Donald Trump’s rise to power generated a flood of media coverage and academic research on authoritarianism—or at least the kind of authoritarianism that exists on the political right. Over the past several years, some researchers have theorized that Trump couldn’t have won in 2016 without support from Americans who deplore political compromise and want leaders to rule with a strong hand. Although right-wing authoritarianism is well documented, social psychologists do not all agree that a leftist version even exists. In February 2020, the Society for Personality and Social Psychology held a symposium called “Is Left-Wing Authoritarianism Real? Evidence on Both Sides of the Debate.”

An ambitious new study on the subject by the Emory University researcher Thomas H. Costello and five colleagues should settle the question. It proposes a rigorous new measure of antidemocratic attitudes on the left. And, by drawing on a survey of 7,258 adults, Costello’s team firmly establishes that such attitudes exist on both sides of the American electorate. (One co-author on the paper, I should note, was Costello’s adviser, the late Scott Lilienfeld—with whom I wrote a 2013 book and numerous articles.) Intriguingly, the researchers found some common traits between left-wing and right-wing authoritarians, including a “preference for social uniformity, prejudice towards different others, willingness to wield group authority to coerce behavior, cognitive rigidity, aggression and punitiveness towards perceived enemies, outsized concern for hierarchy, and moral absolutism.”

Link to full article....

I'll bet that the conservatives/authoritarians on this board have already wiped this statement from their memories.....

"In the U.S., though, Costello hypothesizes that right-wing authoritarians outnumber left-wing ones by roughly three to one. Other researchers have concluded that the number of strident conservatives in the U.S. far exceeds the number of strident progressives and that American conservatives express more authoritarian attitudes than their counterparts in Britain, Australia, or Canada."
 
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I'll bet that the conservatives/authoritarians on this board have already wiped this statement from their memories.....

"In the U.S., though, Costello hypothesizes that right-wing authoritarians outnumber left-wing ones by roughly three to one. Other researchers have concluded that the number of strident conservatives in the U.S. far exceeds the number of strident progressives and that American conservatives express more authoritarian attitudes than their counterparts in Britain, Australia, or Canada."

Buy health insurance... OR ELSE.

By the lefts intrinsic political nature, they must DEMAND collectivism by threat of force or penalty at the expensive of individual free will. That is the very basis of socialism that the left so dearly wants....

Want to hear the preamble of the libertarian platform?

As Libertarians, we seek a world of liberty: a world in which all individuals are sovereign over their own lives and are not forced to sacrifice their values for the benefit of others.

We believe that respect for individual rights is the essential precondition for a free and prosperous world, that force and fraud must be banished from human relationships, and that only through freedom can peace and prosperity be realized.

Consequently, we defend each person’s right to engage in any activity that is peaceful and honest, and welcome the diversity that freedom brings. The world we seek to build is one where individuals are free to follow their own dreams in their own ways, without interference from government or any authoritarian power.

In the following pages we set forth our basic principles and enumerate various policy stands derived from those principles.

These specific policies are not our goal, however. Our goal is nothing more nor less than a world set free in our lifetime, and it is to this end that we take these stands.

https://www.lp.org/platform/

Highly authoritarian, say?
 
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I'll bet that the conservatives/authoritarians on this board have already wiped this statement from their memories.....

"In the U.S., though, Costello hypothesizes that right-wing authoritarians outnumber left-wing ones by roughly three to one. Other researchers have concluded that the number of strident conservatives in the U.S. far exceeds the number of strident progressives and that American conservatives express more authoritarian attitudes than their counterparts in Britain, Australia, or Canada."
Not one of us forgot this terrible lie and the accusations contained within it. Scurrilous lies like these are not easily forgotten or forgiven.
 

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Ha! Are you actually saying Trump’s authoritarian fascist movement has not completely taken over the Republican Party?

Dear God.

NJ, in all your feverish delusions, you of course didn't notice that Trump is not and never was an authoritarian. Over the course of four years: nothing radical or authoritarian happened.

Except some Tweets, which were entertaining but changed nothing and had no effect on policy even as your side engaged in unprecedented, authoritarian tactics to sabotage Trump's presidency.

Meanwhile, since January, your Party's fascists have stripped citizens of rights, censored their speech, and recently declared that parents are domestic terrorists for loving their children.

As a programmed partisan, you naturally take the fascist side, but those of us not brainwashed or comatose may be forgiven for pointing out that all of you people are dangerously full of shit.
 

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Dear God.

NJ, in all your feverish delusions, you of course didn't notice that Trump is not and never was an authoritarian. Over the course of four years: nothing radical or authoritarian happened.

Except some Tweets, which were entertaining but changed nothing and had no effect on policy even as your side engaged in unprecedented, authoritarian tactics to sabotage Trump's presidency.

Meanwhile, since January, your Party's fascists have stripped citizens of rights, censored their speech, and recently declared that parents are domestic terrorists for loving their children.

As a programmed partisan, you naturally take the fascist side, but those of us not brainwashed or comatose may be forgiven for pointing out that all of you people are dangerously full of shit.
Nothing radical or authoritarian happened? The man attempted a coup to overthrow the results of an election he lost. He used DOJ as his own personal law firm. He ran government business through his privately owned enterprises. He bribed a foreign government to investigate his political rival.

It hasn’t stopped. He’s gotten his political party to use his Big Lie to change election laws to make it more difficult for the opposing party to vote. They are giving States the power overrule the election results and just declare his Party the winner.

The man may have very well ended our Democracy. I don’t see a state controlled by Republicans on the State level ever certifying a win for the Democrats going forward. They will just use Trump’s playbook of claiming fraud and declare the Republican the winner.
 

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Nothing radical or authoritarian happened? The man attempted a coup to overthrow the results of an election he lost. He used DOJ as his own personal law firm. He ran government business through his privately owned enterprises. He bribed a foreign government to investigate his political rival.

It hasn’t stopped. He’s gotten his political party to use his Big Lie to change election laws to make it more difficult for the opposing party to vote. They are giving States the power overrule the election results and just declare his Party the winner.

The man may have very well ended our Democracy. I don’t see a state controlled by Republicans on the State level ever certifying a win for the Democrats going forward. They will just use Trump’s playbook of claiming fraud and declare the Republican the winner.

LOL... Yes, nothing radical happened.

I will miss you. The board jester is always good for a few laughs. Thank you for that.
 
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I'll bet that the conservatives/authoritarians on this board have already wiped this statement from their memories.....

"In the U.S., though, Costello hypothesizes that right-wing authoritarians outnumber left-wing ones by roughly three to one. Other researchers have concluded that the number of strident conservatives in the U.S. far exceeds the number of strident progressives and that American conservatives express more authoritarian attitudes than their counterparts in Britain, Australia, or Canada."
3 : 1 ? I’m sure this was a very rigorous, evidence based determination.
 

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I'll bet that the conservatives/authoritarians on this board have already wiped this statement from their memories.....

"In the U.S., though, Costello hypothesizes that right-wing authoritarians outnumber left-wing ones by roughly three to one. Other researchers have concluded that the number of strident conservatives in the U.S. far exceeds the number of strident progressives and that American conservatives express more authoritarian attitudes than their counterparts in Britain, Australia, or Canada."
Idiotic with Biden and Dems seeking to require vaccination of people who have had Covid and with recent proposal to track all money transactions of $600 and up. Then Lefties trying to get DOJ involved in school board debates over critical race theory. Also, internationally, Australia is almost on par with China in the severity of its Covid lock down.
 
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I don’t see a state controlled by Democrats on the State level ever certifying a win for the Republicans going forward.
Corrected it for you. That is what the lies about voter suppression are directed at. Wherever Republicans win reasonably contested elections Dems will claim voter suppression although I have not seen one case of any voter being stopped from voting by election security measures.
 

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Corrected it for you. That is what the lies about voter suppression are directed at. Wherever Republicans win reasonably contested elections Dems will claim voter suppression although I have not seen one case of any voter being stopped from voting by election security measures.
The two issues that the media will never question the Dem/Soc about are their bogus narratives on: 1. false claims of voter suppression and their opposition to voting reforms such as mandatory IDs etc,, and 2. exactly what Trump did that was "authoritarian" and/or un-Constitutional.

As to the first issue, it goes along with the biggest lie of all, that ALL Reps are racists at heart and will suppress minorities in any way they can, including in voting. No evidence needed, wink. wink, cause the dog whistles (that only they can hear and interpret) tell them all they need to know. The third rail (to be avoided at all costs) of this voter suppression lie fest is to ask why do Dems think that Blacks are incapable of obtaining voter IDs, finding polling places and voting under the same rules as everyone else? Simple question. The truthful answer is, of course, the Dems just want to accuse the Reps of racism.....no other reason to take that degrading stance.

As to Trump's" threatening the democracy" or whatever catchy BS phrases they come up with, have they looked at Biden's record to date as President at all? If Trump would have exceeded his powers in a dictatorial way, the Dem/Socs would have been all over it and it would have been Count #1 in an Impeachment proceeding. But there was no such claim. Why? Because as unpopular as Trump's policies were with the lefties, they were all pursued within the scope of existing law or through recognized Executive authority.

To this day the lefties will allude to these "authoritarian" actions, but cannot name ONE of them when asked directly. Biden said during his campaign that this was an election that voters would choose between democracy and authoritarianism. In that he wasn't lying. As it turns out what he WAS lying about was which candidate represented authoritarianism......it was him, not Trump. But the Dem/Soc cult believe that blatant lies by their leaders are just fine. They will lie, cheat and steal to impose their socialist system on the country.

I hope these lies have finally caught up with them and the 2022 and 2024 elections bring sanity back to the Federal government and we reverse this slide into political hell.
 
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Have you guys all seen this article (below)? Neither side is going to like it all that much, but truth will hurt more to the lefties I think as it focuses on something they think doesn't even exists in their extremes - let alone in their mainstream. Of course, lefties lack the intellectual curiosity to even read articles like this, so maybe it won't hurt them at all.

The Experts Somehow Overlooked Authoritarians on the Left​

Many psychologists wrongly assumed that coercive attitudes exist only among conservatives.
By Sally Satel
Illustration of a head an animal head inside.

Getty; The Atlantic
September 25, 2021

About the author: Sally Satel is a psychiatrist, a resident scholar at the American Enterprise Institute, and the co-author of Brainwashed: The Seductive Appeal of Mindless Neuroscience. She is a visiting professor at the Vagelos College of Physicians and Surgeons at Columbia University.

Donald Trump’s rise to power generated a flood of media coverage and academic research on authoritarianism—or at least the kind of authoritarianism that exists on the political right. Over the past several years, some researchers have theorized that Trump couldn’t have won in 2016 without support from Americans who deplore political compromise and want leaders to rule with a strong hand. Although right-wing authoritarianism is well documented, social psychologists do not all agree that a leftist version even exists. In February 2020, the Society for Personality and Social Psychology held a symposium called “Is Left-Wing Authoritarianism Real? Evidence on Both Sides of the Debate.”

An ambitious new study on the subject by the Emory University researcher Thomas H. Costello and five colleagues should settle the question. It proposes a rigorous new measure of antidemocratic attitudes on the left. And, by drawing on a survey of 7,258 adults, Costello’s team firmly establishes that such attitudes exist on both sides of the American electorate. (One co-author on the paper, I should note, was Costello’s adviser, the late Scott Lilienfeld—with whom I wrote a 2013 book and numerous articles.) Intriguingly, the researchers found some common traits between left-wing and right-wing authoritarians, including a “preference for social uniformity, prejudice towards different others, willingness to wield group authority to coerce behavior, cognitive rigidity, aggression and punitiveness towards perceived enemies, outsized concern for hierarchy, and moral absolutism.”

Link to full article....
Dictators have exsisted well before there was a conservative or a progressive...we find them throughout all of recorded history.
 
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I'll bet that the conservatives/authoritarians on this board have already wiped this statement from their memories.....

"In the U.S., though, Costello hypothesizes that right-wing authoritarians outnumber left-wing ones by roughly three to one. Other researchers have concluded that the number of strident conservatives in the U.S. far exceeds the number of strident progressives and that American conservatives express more authoritarian attitudes than their counterparts in Britain, Australia, or Canada."

LOL! Take you "other researchers" $hit elsewhere. Sit back for a moment and contemplate, does the Washington bureaucracy hang left or right? Then you'll have the answer. The job of any centralized government is the enhance its power and right now the lefties provide the best opportunity by far.
 
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Nothing radical or authoritarian happened? The man attempted a coup to overthrow the results of an election he lost.
Nah. That was a spontaneous protest that spilled over from a Trump rally to the Capitol. Should you not be able to handle Trump' popularity then it's your problem. Look, if you had something on Trump then you would've taken him to court by now. So it's either put up or shut up. It's the only way your going to keep him from getting re-elected.

He used DOJ as his own personal law firm.
Newsflash: DOJ does not work for the people. It works for the president who may or may not work for the people. And that depends on how much abuse you're willing to take. Exhibit A: AG Garland directing FBI to investigate parents for committing "acts of terrorism" during school board meetings. WTF is that all about!

He ran government business through his privately owned enterprises.
How much has the Biden family enriched itself by selling access to Joe? I've lost count. Whereas Trump's fortune is made in the private sector.

He bribed a foreign government to investigate his political rival.
Prove it! Conversely we know Hillary used her connections to spy on a political rival. That much is proven.

He’s gotten his political party to use his Big Lie to change election laws to make it more difficult for the opposing party to vote. They are giving States the power overrule the election results and just declare his Party the winner.
Not change election laws but rather enforce them. Pass HR1 and it will change election laws. And BTW, states are supposed to control elections. Congress' certification is merely a formality.

The man may have very well ended our Democracy.
Ahhh, we don't have a democracy. I can see you feel asleep in civics class.

I don’t see a state controlled by Republicans on the State level ever certifying a win for the Democrats going forward.
I don't see anyone without a 'D' next to his name winning any public office should HR1 become law. BTW, one-party rule is communism.

NJPSU, why not come out-of-the-closet? Clear the air. Admit what you are. Embrace it. Life is much easier that way.

Thank you.
 

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Dictators have exsisted well before there was a conservative or a progressive...we find them throughout all of recorded history.

Cool story which I think everyone understands, and with which would agree.... but I'm not sure it's relevant for the sake of making a point. Were you making a point, or just giving us a related fact (which if fine)?
 

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Cool story which I think everyone understands, and with which would agree.... but I'm not sure it's relevant for the sake of making a point. Were you making a point, or just giving us a related fact (which if fine)?
They have certain things in common, if you really want to understand them read True Believer by Eric Hoffer. for many reasons I think the left is more prone to this stuff, due to their belief if the right people and policies are in place we will have utopia, they have a fundamental blind spot with human nature and behavior.

 

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Cool story which I think everyone understands, and with which would agree.... but I'm not sure it's relevant for the sake of making a point. Were you making a point, or just giving us a related fact (which if fine)?
The point was authoritarionism predates right wing vs leftwing. It transcends all human socities, ideologies, religions etc....
 

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The point was authoritarionism predates right wing vs leftwing. It transcends all human socities, ideologies, religions etc....

Ok. Yeah I didn't think anyone would have thought otherwise - a bit of a "water is wet" comment IMO - but thanks for clarifying.
 

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Have you guys all seen this article (below)? Neither side is going to like it all that much, but truth will hurt more to the lefties I think as it focuses on something they think doesn't even exists in their extremes - let alone in their mainstream. Of course, lefties lack the intellectual curiosity to even read articles like this, so maybe it won't hurt them at all.

The Experts Somehow Overlooked Authoritarians on the Left​

Many psychologists wrongly assumed that coercive attitudes exist only among conservatives.
By Sally Satel
Illustration of a head an animal head inside.

Getty; The Atlantic
September 25, 2021

About the author: Sally Satel is a psychiatrist, a resident scholar at the American Enterprise Institute, and the co-author of Brainwashed: The Seductive Appeal of Mindless Neuroscience. She is a visiting professor at the Vagelos College of Physicians and Surgeons at Columbia University.

Donald Trump’s rise to power generated a flood of media coverage and academic research on authoritarianism—or at least the kind of authoritarianism that exists on the political right. Over the past several years, some researchers have theorized that Trump couldn’t have won in 2016 without support from Americans who deplore political compromise and want leaders to rule with a strong hand. Although right-wing authoritarianism is well documented, social psychologists do not all agree that a leftist version even exists. In February 2020, the Society for Personality and Social Psychology held a symposium called “Is Left-Wing Authoritarianism Real? Evidence on Both Sides of the Debate.”

An ambitious new study on the subject by the Emory University researcher Thomas H. Costello and five colleagues should settle the question. It proposes a rigorous new measure of antidemocratic attitudes on the left. And, by drawing on a survey of 7,258 adults, Costello’s team firmly establishes that such attitudes exist on both sides of the American electorate. (One co-author on the paper, I should note, was Costello’s adviser, the late Scott Lilienfeld—with whom I wrote a 2013 book and numerous articles.) Intriguingly, the researchers found some common traits between left-wing and right-wing authoritarians, including a “preference for social uniformity, prejudice towards different others, willingness to wield group authority to coerce behavior, cognitive rigidity, aggression and punitiveness towards perceived enemies, outsized concern for hierarchy, and moral absolutism.”

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The right is too lazy to be authoritarian
 

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