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Penn State quarterback Christian Hackenberg is one of the most polarizing prospects in the 2016 NFL draft. There are evaluators who have stated that they believe Hackenberg should go in the second round of the draft. Still others have said that his performance on tape is worrying enough that he should drop further than the second tier of passers, but the tools are still clearly there for him to potentially be an NFL-caliber quarterback.

I hold a different opinion: I don’t believe Christian Hackenberg should even be drafted.

That seems like hyperbole, and it is not intended to come across as a slam against a player who is working hard for his shot to play in the NFL. But the truth is that instead of hyperbole it is actually an honest assessment backed up by three years of play-by-play grading, tape study and data.

Here is why my analysis and that of the PFF team has led me to believe that Hackenberg is not a draftable prospect in this class:

Inaccuracy

There isn’t a more inaccurate quarterback prospect in this draft with a reasonable chance at being drafted. Hackenberg is inaccurate at every level of the field, on all throws and against all coverages.

This season his completion percentage when adjusted for drops, spikes, etc. was 64.0 percent, which was 120th in the nation. In 2014, he was 105th. Every accuracy number you look at sees Hackenberg struggle, and the tape shows the same thing.

Even when under no pressure at all this past season, he completed just 61.9 percent of his passes. That’s the same completion percentage Cardale Jones managed on all plays, not just pressure plays, and Jones is a player whose accuracy is seen as a negative.

Hackenberg’s completion percentage under no pressure at all of 61.9 percent would only have ranked 44th in the nation, if it was his real completion percentage.

Completion percentage can be affected by many things, but if you dive a little deeper and look specifically at his ball placement, things get even worse. Hackenberg completed 192 passes this past season, but when we charted ball location for quarterbacks in this draft class, 55 of those catches were badly located passes. He was only accurate on 48.1 percent of attempts when throwing to open receivers. By comparison, Cody Kessler was accurate on 73.2 percent of his attempts to open receivers, Carson Wentz was at 61.2 percent. Even Cardale Jones, our inaccuracy comp in this exercise, was 5 percent better when throwing to open guys.

Hack WR Screen Miss

I have never seen a quarterback consistently miss as many wide receiver screens as Hackenberg. Receiver screens are supposed to be high-percentage plays. In college, the average receiver screen pass is only off-target on 4.75 percent of attempts. In the NFL that figure becomes 3.45 percent, and the worst mark any QB has posted over the past three seasons is Chad Henne, at 8.47 percent. Last season, Hackenberg was off-target on 15.8 percent of his receiver screen passes — around five times more inaccurate than the average NFL QB.

The story only gets worse on passes 11 to 20 yards down the field. He is accurate in ball-location terms on just 27.5 percent of them (the best QBs in this class are up around 50 percent). From 21 to 30, yards he is down at 12.0 percent (with the best marks around 40 percent).

Hackenberg is capable of occasionally brilliant passes, and every now and then, exceptional accuracy. But when looking at his entire body of work, our assessment is that he is far too inaccurate to play in the NFL.

Decision-making

All quarterbacks can be caught out, or baited, or somehow convinced to attempt a pass they shouldn’t, but at least an evaluator can usually work out where the play broke down and what tempted him into taking the shot. Hackenberg regularly has plays where the pass has little to no chance of succeeding, but he puts the ball in the air anyway.

That is a fatal flaw for an NFL quarterback, as QBs need to be able to read what happens before and after the snap to put the ball in the right place. Sometimes Hackenberg can do exactly that, but far too often he appears to simply decide not to, and those plays lead to simple turnovers.

PFF’s play-by-play grading scale works from minus-2 to plus-2 in 0.5 increments. Minus-1.5 and minus-2 throws are catastrophic plays that usually result in a turnover. Hackenberg has 37 of them over his college career, equivalent to a catastrophically bad pass on 3.1 percent of his attempts. Jared Goff, by contrast, threw one on 1.1 percent in 2015. Even Michigan State QB Connor Cook, whom we have noted throughout his draft evaluation for his bad habit of reckless throws, threw one on 1.5 percent — or less than half the rate of Hackenberg.

Hackenberg regularly does not see defenders breaking on the ball or cutting underneath his intended receiver. Against Temple in the first game of this season, he missed a defensive end dropping straight under a quick slant and almost tossed him a pick-six. Last year against Indiana he tossed the ball straight to a defender who was cutting in front of his bubble screen and did throw a pick-six:

Hack Pick Six

Turning the ball over at the NFL level is the cardinal sin of quarterback play. Most top passers now have historically low interception and turnover rates. Hackenberg puts the ball in that kind of danger far too often, at a far lower level of competition.

Controlling pressure

Quarterbacks play a role in the rate at which they face pressure — it isn’t simply a function of the offensive line. This is important to keep in mind when evaluating Hackenberg.

Many have cited Penn State’s poor pass protection as a reason for Hackenberg’s struggles, and to be clear, it’s not as though I thought he had the benefit of a great offensive line. But let’s look at the 2015 season opener against Temple as an example of how Hackenberg deserved some blame for the amount of pressure he was under.

Hackenberg was under pressure on 17 of his 36 dropbacks in that game, but only seven of those pressures were charged to the offensive line. That means nearly 60 percent of the pressure he was under in that game was not surrendered by his O-line, and much of it was clear from before the snap.

Free-Rusher-Middle

Temple regularly showed six rushers before the snap, came with all of them, and Hackenberg was surprised by the free rusher despite only having five men in the protection. Some might want to cut him a break for the free rusher the offense couldn’t pick up, but it’s his job to understand that it is coming from the pre-snap read and be prepared to get rid of the ball quickly.

Don’t get me wrong: Hackenberg’s line was not good at Penn State, but it wasn’t the prohibitive collection of uniformed turnstyles that they’ve been made out to be, either. As a unit they surrendered 135 total pressures in 2015, which is bad, but 15 other teams managed worse, including Goff’s California Bears (154). 45 other offensive lines surrendered pressure at a greater rate than Hackenberg’s line last season. And in 2014, we charged Hackenberg with eight of the sacks he took, which is five more than any single lineman gave up.

In fact, since he has been the quarterback, Hackenberg has been directly to blame for more sacks than any single lineman blocking for him, and that doesn’t even touch the ones he was indirectly at fault for by being unable to effectively diagnose the pressure looks he was presented with.

Lack of upside

Much of the positive buzz around Hackenberg as a prospect has to do with the fact that he looks the part of an NFL QB. But while Hackenberg can make every throw you can think of, and does have some beautiful passes in his tape, the frequency with which he is able to produce them is concerning.

In 2015, Hackenberg produced a pass graded at plus-1 or higher (a stat we have taken to calling “Big-Time Throws,” much to my distress) on 2.68 percent of his attempts. 151 QBs were better than that, and only nine were worse.

But what about 2013?

One of the narratives around Hackenberg is that his play dropped off after an impressive true freshman campaign in 2013 — when Bill O’Brien was his head coach, prior to taking over the Houston Texans’ job, and his top target was Allen Robinson, now one of the league’s best young wide receivers for the Jaguars — due to a subpar supporting cast and poor fit with new Penn State head coach James Franklin. It’s certainly true that his raw numbers were more encouraging that season.

Unfortunately for Hackenberg, when we went back and graded his 2013 campaign, the results were not good. His 2013 season grade was a minus-24.7, which would have ranked third from the bottom in this draft class for the 2015 season.
 
Unfortunately for Hackenberg, when we went back and graded his 2013 campaign, the results were not good. His 2013 season grade was a minus-24.7, which would have ranked third from the bottom in this draft class for the 2015 season.

I agree with this last statement completely. Everyone seems to think Hackenberg was excpetionally better in 2013, and IMHO that is just not true. The number of jump balls that Robinson brought down really made him look good at times. But his overall completion% was about the same. That being said, he has some things you can't teach, strong arm and quick release. Can the rest be coached up is the million dollar question. I believe that footwork and decision making can certainly be coached up, but pocket presence I am not so sure about.
I certainly hope he gets drafted by the right team and in 2-3 years turns out to be the steal of the draft.
 
Unfortunately for Hackenberg, when we went back and graded his 2013 campaign, the results were not good. His 2013 season grade was a minus-24.7, which would have ranked third from the bottom in this draft class for the 2015 season.

I agree with this last statement completely. Everyone seems to think Hackenberg was excpetionally better in 2013, and IMHO that is just not true. The number of jump balls that Robinson brought down really made him look good at times. But his overall completion% was about the same. That being said, he has some things you can't teach, strong arm and quick release. Can the rest be coached up is the million dollar question. I believe that footwork and decision making can certainly be coached up, but pocket presence I am not so sure about.
I certainly hope he gets drafted by the right team and in 2-3 years turns out to be the steal of the draft.

This is complete BS:


Quarterbacks play a role in the rate at which they face pressure — it isn’t simply a function of the offensive line. This is important to keep in mind when evaluating Hackenberg.

Many have cited Penn State’s poor pass protection as a reason for Hackenberg’s struggles, and to be clear, it’s not as though I thought he had the benefit of a great offensive line. But let’s look at the 2015 season opener against Temple as an example of how Hackenberg deserved some blame for the amount of pressure he was under.

Hackenberg was under pressure on 17 of his 36 dropbacks in that game, but only seven of those pressures were charged to the offensive line. That means nearly 60 percent of the pressure he was under in that game was not surrendered by his O-line, and much of it was clear from before the snap.
I defy anyone to watch that Temple game, Paris Palmer's first game, and agree with this statement. As a result, I think the entire article is full of opinion, not statistics, and total BS.

As a former O-lineman, I am sympathetic to the O-line and have defended the O-line, more than any other, over the years. But if someone thinks that O-line was competent, by any stretch, in 2015, there isn't much of a discussion. Not only was the Oline bad, so were the TE's and RB's in passing. In addition, every game PSU was on TV the cover person said that the WR's didn't come back to the ball, ran poor routes, didn't separate and more (ON TV, I can't see that but that's what the color people said in just about every game). I just can't get the picture out of my mind of the center and guards being blown back into Hack's lap when we were deep in our own end or when the staff completely abandoned any semblance of a short running game.

Noticed the writer didn't point out that the OC was fired on the first possible day....wonder why?
 
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Penn State quarterback Christian Hackenberg is one of the most polarizing prospects in the 2016 NFL draft. There are evaluators who have stated that they believe Hackenberg should go in the second round of the draft. Still others have said that his performance on tape is worrying enough that he should drop further than the second tier of passers, but the tools are still clearly there for him to potentially be an NFL-caliber quarterback.

I hold a different opinion: I don’t believe Christian Hackenberg should even be drafted.

That seems like hyperbole, and it is not intended to come across as a slam against a player who is working hard for his shot to play in the NFL. But the truth is that instead of hyperbole it is actually an honest assessment backed up by three years of play-by-play grading, tape study and data.

Here is why my analysis and that of the PFF team has led me to believe that Hackenberg is not a draftable prospect in this class:

Inaccuracy

There isn’t a more inaccurate quarterback prospect in this draft with a reasonable chance at being drafted. Hackenberg is inaccurate at every level of the field, on all throws and against all coverages.

This season his completion percentage when adjusted for drops, spikes, etc. was 64.0 percent, which was 120th in the nation. In 2014, he was 105th. Every accuracy number you look at sees Hackenberg struggle, and the tape shows the same thing.

Even when under no pressure at all this past season, he completed just 61.9 percent of his passes. That’s the same completion percentage Cardale Jones managed on all plays, not just pressure plays, and Jones is a player whose accuracy is seen as a negative.

Hackenberg’s completion percentage under no pressure at all of 61.9 percent would only have ranked 44th in the nation, if it was his real completion percentage.

Completion percentage can be affected by many things, but if you dive a little deeper and look specifically at his ball placement, things get even worse. Hackenberg completed 192 passes this past season, but when we charted ball location for quarterbacks in this draft class, 55 of those catches were badly located passes. He was only accurate on 48.1 percent of attempts when throwing to open receivers. By comparison, Cody Kessler was accurate on 73.2 percent of his attempts to open receivers, Carson Wentz was at 61.2 percent. Even Cardale Jones, our inaccuracy comp in this exercise, was 5 percent better when throwing to open guys.

Hack WR Screen Miss

I have never seen a quarterback consistently miss as many wide receiver screens as Hackenberg. Receiver screens are supposed to be high-percentage plays. In college, the average receiver screen pass is only off-target on 4.75 percent of attempts. In the NFL that figure becomes 3.45 percent, and the worst mark any QB has posted over the past three seasons is Chad Henne, at 8.47 percent. Last season, Hackenberg was off-target on 15.8 percent of his receiver screen passes — around five times more inaccurate than the average NFL QB.

The story only gets worse on passes 11 to 20 yards down the field. He is accurate in ball-location terms on just 27.5 percent of them (the best QBs in this class are up around 50 percent). From 21 to 30, yards he is down at 12.0 percent (with the best marks around 40 percent).

Hackenberg is capable of occasionally brilliant passes, and every now and then, exceptional accuracy. But when looking at his entire body of work, our assessment is that he is far too inaccurate to play in the NFL.

Decision-making

All quarterbacks can be caught out, or baited, or somehow convinced to attempt a pass they shouldn’t, but at least an evaluator can usually work out where the play broke down and what tempted him into taking the shot. Hackenberg regularly has plays where the pass has little to no chance of succeeding, but he puts the ball in the air anyway.

That is a fatal flaw for an NFL quarterback, as QBs need to be able to read what happens before and after the snap to put the ball in the right place. Sometimes Hackenberg can do exactly that, but far too often he appears to simply decide not to, and those plays lead to simple turnovers.

PFF’s play-by-play grading scale works from minus-2 to plus-2 in 0.5 increments. Minus-1.5 and minus-2 throws are catastrophic plays that usually result in a turnover. Hackenberg has 37 of them over his college career, equivalent to a catastrophically bad pass on 3.1 percent of his attempts. Jared Goff, by contrast, threw one on 1.1 percent in 2015. Even Michigan State QB Connor Cook, whom we have noted throughout his draft evaluation for his bad habit of reckless throws, threw one on 1.5 percent — or less than half the rate of Hackenberg.

Hackenberg regularly does not see defenders breaking on the ball or cutting underneath his intended receiver. Against Temple in the first game of this season, he missed a defensive end dropping straight under a quick slant and almost tossed him a pick-six. Last year against Indiana he tossed the ball straight to a defender who was cutting in front of his bubble screen and did throw a pick-six:

Hack Pick Six

Turning the ball over at the NFL level is the cardinal sin of quarterback play. Most top passers now have historically low interception and turnover rates. Hackenberg puts the ball in that kind of danger far too often, at a far lower level of competition.

Controlling pressure

Quarterbacks play a role in the rate at which they face pressure — it isn’t simply a function of the offensive line. This is important to keep in mind when evaluating Hackenberg.

Many have cited Penn State’s poor pass protection as a reason for Hackenberg’s struggles, and to be clear, it’s not as though I thought he had the benefit of a great offensive line. But let’s look at the 2015 season opener against Temple as an example of how Hackenberg deserved some blame for the amount of pressure he was under.

Hackenberg was under pressure on 17 of his 36 dropbacks in that game, but only seven of those pressures were charged to the offensive line. That means nearly 60 percent of the pressure he was under in that game was not surrendered by his O-line, and much of it was clear from before the snap.

Free-Rusher-Middle

Temple regularly showed six rushers before the snap, came with all of them, and Hackenberg was surprised by the free rusher despite only having five men in the protection. Some might want to cut him a break for the free rusher the offense couldn’t pick up, but it’s his job to understand that it is coming from the pre-snap read and be prepared to get rid of the ball quickly.

Don’t get me wrong: Hackenberg’s line was not good at Penn State, but it wasn’t the prohibitive collection of uniformed turnstyles that they’ve been made out to be, either. As a unit they surrendered 135 total pressures in 2015, which is bad, but 15 other teams managed worse, including Goff’s California Bears (154). 45 other offensive lines surrendered pressure at a greater rate than Hackenberg’s line last season. And in 2014, we charged Hackenberg with eight of the sacks he took, which is five more than any single lineman gave up.

In fact, since he has been the quarterback, Hackenberg has been directly to blame for more sacks than any single lineman blocking for him, and that doesn’t even touch the ones he was indirectly at fault for by being unable to effectively diagnose the pressure looks he was presented with.

Lack of upside

Much of the positive buzz around Hackenberg as a prospect has to do with the fact that he looks the part of an NFL QB. But while Hackenberg can make every throw you can think of, and does have some beautiful passes in his tape, the frequency with which he is able to produce them is concerning.

In 2015, Hackenberg produced a pass graded at plus-1 or higher (a stat we have taken to calling “Big-Time Throws,” much to my distress) on 2.68 percent of his attempts. 151 QBs were better than that, and only nine were worse.

But what about 2013?

One of the narratives around Hackenberg is that his play dropped off after an impressive true freshman campaign in 2013 — when Bill O’Brien was his head coach, prior to taking over the Houston Texans’ job, and his top target was Allen Robinson, now one of the league’s best young wide receivers for the Jaguars — due to a subpar supporting cast and poor fit with new Penn State head coach James Franklin. It’s certainly true that his raw numbers were more encouraging that season.

Unfortunately for Hackenberg, when we went back and graded his 2013 campaign, the results were not good. His 2013 season grade was a minus-24.7, which would have ranked third from the bottom in this draft class for the 2015 season.

Pro Football Who? McShay has him going in Round 2. Guess we'll see.
 
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Penn State quarterback Christian Hackenberg is one of the most polarizing prospects in the 2016 NFL draft. There are evaluators who have stated that they believe Hackenberg should go in the second round of the draft. Still others have said that his performance on tape is worrying enough that he should drop further than the second tier of passers, but the tools are still clearly there for him to potentially be an NFL-caliber quarterback.

I hold a different opinion: I don’t believe Christian Hackenberg should even be drafted.

That seems like hyperbole, and it is not intended to come across as a slam against a player who is working hard for his shot to play in the NFL. But the truth is that instead of hyperbole it is actually an honest assessment backed up by three years of play-by-play grading, tape study and data.

Here is why my analysis and that of the PFF team has led me to believe that Hackenberg is not a draftable prospect in this class:

Inaccuracy

There isn’t a more inaccurate quarterback prospect in this draft with a reasonable chance at being drafted. Hackenberg is inaccurate at every level of the field, on all throws and against all coverages.

This season his completion percentage when adjusted for drops, spikes, etc. was 64.0 percent, which was 120th in the nation. In 2014, he was 105th. Every accuracy number you look at sees Hackenberg struggle, and the tape shows the same thing.

Even when under no pressure at all this past season, he completed just 61.9 percent of his passes. That’s the same completion percentage Cardale Jones managed on all plays, not just pressure plays, and Jones is a player whose accuracy is seen as a negative.

Hackenberg’s completion percentage under no pressure at all of 61.9 percent would only have ranked 44th in the nation, if it was his real completion percentage.

Completion percentage can be affected by many things, but if you dive a little deeper and look specifically at his ball placement, things get even worse. Hackenberg completed 192 passes this past season, but when we charted ball location for quarterbacks in this draft class, 55 of those catches were badly located passes. He was only accurate on 48.1 percent of attempts when throwing to open receivers. By comparison, Cody Kessler was accurate on 73.2 percent of his attempts to open receivers, Carson Wentz was at 61.2 percent. Even Cardale Jones, our inaccuracy comp in this exercise, was 5 percent better when throwing to open guys.

Hack WR Screen Miss

I have never seen a quarterback consistently miss as many wide receiver screens as Hackenberg. Receiver screens are supposed to be high-percentage plays. In college, the average receiver screen pass is only off-target on 4.75 percent of attempts. In the NFL that figure becomes 3.45 percent, and the worst mark any QB has posted over the past three seasons is Chad Henne, at 8.47 percent. Last season, Hackenberg was off-target on 15.8 percent of his receiver screen passes — around five times more inaccurate than the average NFL QB.

The story only gets worse on passes 11 to 20 yards down the field. He is accurate in ball-location terms on just 27.5 percent of them (the best QBs in this class are up around 50 percent). From 21 to 30, yards he is down at 12.0 percent (with the best marks around 40 percent).

Hackenberg is capable of occasionally brilliant passes, and every now and then, exceptional accuracy. But when looking at his entire body of work, our assessment is that he is far too inaccurate to play in the NFL.

Decision-making

All quarterbacks can be caught out, or baited, or somehow convinced to attempt a pass they shouldn’t, but at least an evaluator can usually work out where the play broke down and what tempted him into taking the shot. Hackenberg regularly has plays where the pass has little to no chance of succeeding, but he puts the ball in the air anyway.

That is a fatal flaw for an NFL quarterback, as QBs need to be able to read what happens before and after the snap to put the ball in the right place. Sometimes Hackenberg can do exactly that, but far too often he appears to simply decide not to, and those plays lead to simple turnovers.

PFF’s play-by-play grading scale works from minus-2 to plus-2 in 0.5 increments. Minus-1.5 and minus-2 throws are catastrophic plays that usually result in a turnover. Hackenberg has 37 of them over his college career, equivalent to a catastrophically bad pass on 3.1 percent of his attempts. Jared Goff, by contrast, threw one on 1.1 percent in 2015. Even Michigan State QB Connor Cook, whom we have noted throughout his draft evaluation for his bad habit of reckless throws, threw one on 1.5 percent — or less than half the rate of Hackenberg.

Hackenberg regularly does not see defenders breaking on the ball or cutting underneath his intended receiver. Against Temple in the first game of this season, he missed a defensive end dropping straight under a quick slant and almost tossed him a pick-six. Last year against Indiana he tossed the ball straight to a defender who was cutting in front of his bubble screen and did throw a pick-six:

Hack Pick Six

Turning the ball over at the NFL level is the cardinal sin of quarterback play. Most top passers now have historically low interception and turnover rates. Hackenberg puts the ball in that kind of danger far too often, at a far lower level of competition.

Controlling pressure

Quarterbacks play a role in the rate at which they face pressure — it isn’t simply a function of the offensive line. This is important to keep in mind when evaluating Hackenberg.

Many have cited Penn State’s poor pass protection as a reason for Hackenberg’s struggles, and to be clear, it’s not as though I thought he had the benefit of a great offensive line. But let’s look at the 2015 season opener against Temple as an example of how Hackenberg deserved some blame for the amount of pressure he was under.

Hackenberg was under pressure on 17 of his 36 dropbacks in that game, but only seven of those pressures were charged to the offensive line. That means nearly 60 percent of the pressure he was under in that game was not surrendered by his O-line, and much of it was clear from before the snap.

Free-Rusher-Middle

Temple regularly showed six rushers before the snap, came with all of them, and Hackenberg was surprised by the free rusher despite only having five men in the protection. Some might want to cut him a break for the free rusher the offense couldn’t pick up, but it’s his job to understand that it is coming from the pre-snap read and be prepared to get rid of the ball quickly.

Don’t get me wrong: Hackenberg’s line was not good at Penn State, but it wasn’t the prohibitive collection of uniformed turnstyles that they’ve been made out to be, either. As a unit they surrendered 135 total pressures in 2015, which is bad, but 15 other teams managed worse, including Goff’s California Bears (154). 45 other offensive lines surrendered pressure at a greater rate than Hackenberg’s line last season. And in 2014, we charged Hackenberg with eight of the sacks he took, which is five more than any single lineman gave up.

In fact, since he has been the quarterback, Hackenberg has been directly to blame for more sacks than any single lineman blocking for him, and that doesn’t even touch the ones he was indirectly at fault for by being unable to effectively diagnose the pressure looks he was presented with.

Lack of upside

Much of the positive buzz around Hackenberg as a prospect has to do with the fact that he looks the part of an NFL QB. But while Hackenberg can make every throw you can think of, and does have some beautiful passes in his tape, the frequency with which he is able to produce them is concerning.

In 2015, Hackenberg produced a pass graded at plus-1 or higher (a stat we have taken to calling “Big-Time Throws,” much to my distress) on 2.68 percent of his attempts. 151 QBs were better than that, and only nine were worse.

But what about 2013?

One of the narratives around Hackenberg is that his play dropped off after an impressive true freshman campaign in 2013 — when Bill O’Brien was his head coach, prior to taking over the Houston Texans’ job, and his top target was Allen Robinson, now one of the league’s best young wide receivers for the Jaguars — due to a subpar supporting cast and poor fit with new Penn State head coach James Franklin. It’s certainly true that his raw numbers were more encouraging that season.

Unfortunately for Hackenberg, when we went back and graded his 2013 campaign, the results were not good. His 2013 season grade was a minus-24.7, which would have ranked third from the bottom in this draft class for the 2015 season.
Maybe for their next bit of analysis, ProFootballFocus should hire "21" to review the PSU Offensive Line.


Like most college QBs, Hack certainly has holes in his game, and plenty to work on.

The idea that his abilities - right now - as compared to the demographics of all draft-eligible college QBs, makes him legitimately "undraftable" is beyond ludicrous.
 
Unfortunately for Hackenberg, when we went back and graded his 2013 campaign, the results were not good. His 2013 season grade was a minus-24.7, which would have ranked third from the bottom in this draft class for the 2015 season.

I agree with this last statement completely. Everyone seems to think Hackenberg was excpetionally better in 2013, and IMHO that is just not true. The number of jump balls that Robinson brought down really made him look good at times. But his overall completion% was about the same. That being said, he has some things you can't teach, strong arm and quick release. Can the rest be coached up is the million dollar question. I believe that footwork and decision making can certainly be coached up, but pocket presence I am not so sure about.
I certainly hope he gets drafted by the right team and in 2-3 years turns out to be the steal of the draft.

He was a freshman in 2013. WTF do you guys expect? As good a performance as Chad Henne had as a freshman in 2004 with much less to work with (probably Henne's best year too).
 
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This is complete BS:


Quarterbacks play a role in the rate at which they face pressure — it isn’t simply a function of the offensive line. This is important to keep in mind when evaluating Hackenberg.

Many have cited Penn State’s poor pass protection as a reason for Hackenberg’s struggles, and to be clear, it’s not as though I thought he had the benefit of a great offensive line. But let’s look at the 2015 season opener against Temple as an example of how Hackenberg deserved some blame for the amount of pressure he was under.

Hackenberg was under pressure on 17 of his 36 dropbacks in that game, but only seven of those pressures were charged to the offensive line. That means nearly 60 percent of the pressure he was under in that game was not surrendered by his O-line, and much of it was clear from before the snap.
I defy anyone to watch that Temple game, Paris Palmer's first game, and agree with this statement. As a result, I think the entire article is full of opinion, not statistics, and total BS.

Agree, especially if you want to invent your own formula and metric to justify said opinions.
 
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Penn State quarterback Christian Hackenberg is one of the most polarizing prospects in the 2016 NFL draft. There are evaluators who have stated that they believe Hackenberg should go in the second round of the draft. Still others have said that his performance on tape is worrying enough that he should drop further than the second tier of passers, but the tools are still clearly there for him to potentially be an NFL-caliber quarterback.

I hold a different opinion: I don’t believe Christian Hackenberg should even be drafted.

That seems like hyperbole, and it is not intended to come across as a slam against a player who is working hard for his shot to play in the NFL. But the truth is that instead of hyperbole it is actually an honest assessment backed up by three years of play-by-play grading, tape study and data.

Here is why my analysis and that of the PFF team has led me to believe that Hackenberg is not a draftable prospect in this class:

Inaccuracy

There isn’t a more inaccurate quarterback prospect in this draft with a reasonable chance at being drafted. Hackenberg is inaccurate at every level of the field, on all throws and against all coverages.

This season his completion percentage when adjusted for drops, spikes, etc. was 64.0 percent, which was 120th in the nation. In 2014, he was 105th. Every accuracy number you look at sees Hackenberg struggle, and the tape shows the same thing.

Even when under no pressure at all this past season, he completed just 61.9 percent of his passes. That’s the same completion percentage Cardale Jones managed on all plays, not just pressure plays, and Jones is a player whose accuracy is seen as a negative.

Hackenberg’s completion percentage under no pressure at all of 61.9 percent would only have ranked 44th in the nation, if it was his real completion percentage.

Completion percentage can be affected by many things, but if you dive a little deeper and look specifically at his ball placement, things get even worse. Hackenberg completed 192 passes this past season, but when we charted ball location for quarterbacks in this draft class, 55 of those catches were badly located passes. He was only accurate on 48.1 percent of attempts when throwing to open receivers. By comparison, Cody Kessler was accurate on 73.2 percent of his attempts to open receivers, Carson Wentz was at 61.2 percent. Even Cardale Jones, our inaccuracy comp in this exercise, was 5 percent better when throwing to open guys.

Hack WR Screen Miss

I have never seen a quarterback consistently miss as many wide receiver screens as Hackenberg. Receiver screens are supposed to be high-percentage plays. In college, the average receiver screen pass is only off-target on 4.75 percent of attempts. In the NFL that figure becomes 3.45 percent, and the worst mark any QB has posted over the past three seasons is Chad Henne, at 8.47 percent. Last season, Hackenberg was off-target on 15.8 percent of his receiver screen passes — around five times more inaccurate than the average NFL QB.

The story only gets worse on passes 11 to 20 yards down the field. He is accurate in ball-location terms on just 27.5 percent of them (the best QBs in this class are up around 50 percent). From 21 to 30, yards he is down at 12.0 percent (with the best marks around 40 percent).

Hackenberg is capable of occasionally brilliant passes, and every now and then, exceptional accuracy. But when looking at his entire body of work, our assessment is that he is far too inaccurate to play in the NFL.

Decision-making

All quarterbacks can be caught out, or baited, or somehow convinced to attempt a pass they shouldn’t, but at least an evaluator can usually work out where the play broke down and what tempted him into taking the shot. Hackenberg regularly has plays where the pass has little to no chance of succeeding, but he puts the ball in the air anyway.

That is a fatal flaw for an NFL quarterback, as QBs need to be able to read what happens before and after the snap to put the ball in the right place. Sometimes Hackenberg can do exactly that, but far too often he appears to simply decide not to, and those plays lead to simple turnovers.

PFF’s play-by-play grading scale works from minus-2 to plus-2 in 0.5 increments. Minus-1.5 and minus-2 throws are catastrophic plays that usually result in a turnover. Hackenberg has 37 of them over his college career, equivalent to a catastrophically bad pass on 3.1 percent of his attempts. Jared Goff, by contrast, threw one on 1.1 percent in 2015. Even Michigan State QB Connor Cook, whom we have noted throughout his draft evaluation for his bad habit of reckless throws, threw one on 1.5 percent — or less than half the rate of Hackenberg.

Hackenberg regularly does not see defenders breaking on the ball or cutting underneath his intended receiver. Against Temple in the first game of this season, he missed a defensive end dropping straight under a quick slant and almost tossed him a pick-six. Last year against Indiana he tossed the ball straight to a defender who was cutting in front of his bubble screen and did throw a pick-six:

Hack Pick Six

Turning the ball over at the NFL level is the cardinal sin of quarterback play. Most top passers now have historically low interception and turnover rates. Hackenberg puts the ball in that kind of danger far too often, at a far lower level of competition.

Controlling pressure

Quarterbacks play a role in the rate at which they face pressure — it isn’t simply a function of the offensive line. This is important to keep in mind when evaluating Hackenberg.

Many have cited Penn State’s poor pass protection as a reason for Hackenberg’s struggles, and to be clear, it’s not as though I thought he had the benefit of a great offensive line. But let’s look at the 2015 season opener against Temple as an example of how Hackenberg deserved some blame for the amount of pressure he was under.

Hackenberg was under pressure on 17 of his 36 dropbacks in that game, but only seven of those pressures were charged to the offensive line. That means nearly 60 percent of the pressure he was under in that game was not surrendered by his O-line, and much of it was clear from before the snap.

Free-Rusher-Middle

Temple regularly showed six rushers before the snap, came with all of them, and Hackenberg was surprised by the free rusher despite only having five men in the protection. Some might want to cut him a break for the free rusher the offense couldn’t pick up, but it’s his job to understand that it is coming from the pre-snap read and be prepared to get rid of the ball quickly.

Don’t get me wrong: Hackenberg’s line was not good at Penn State, but it wasn’t the prohibitive collection of uniformed turnstyles that they’ve been made out to be, either. As a unit they surrendered 135 total pressures in 2015, which is bad, but 15 other teams managed worse, including Goff’s California Bears (154). 45 other offensive lines surrendered pressure at a greater rate than Hackenberg’s line last season. And in 2014, we charged Hackenberg with eight of the sacks he took, which is five more than any single lineman gave up.

In fact, since he has been the quarterback, Hackenberg has been directly to blame for more sacks than any single lineman blocking for him, and that doesn’t even touch the ones he was indirectly at fault for by being unable to effectively diagnose the pressure looks he was presented with.

Lack of upside

Much of the positive buzz around Hackenberg as a prospect has to do with the fact that he looks the part of an NFL QB. But while Hackenberg can make every throw you can think of, and does have some beautiful passes in his tape, the frequency with which he is able to produce them is concerning.

In 2015, Hackenberg produced a pass graded at plus-1 or higher (a stat we have taken to calling “Big-Time Throws,” much to my distress) on 2.68 percent of his attempts. 151 QBs were better than that, and only nine were worse.

But what about 2013?

One of the narratives around Hackenberg is that his play dropped off after an impressive true freshman campaign in 2013 — when Bill O’Brien was his head coach, prior to taking over the Houston Texans’ job, and his top target was Allen Robinson, now one of the league’s best young wide receivers for the Jaguars — due to a subpar supporting cast and poor fit with new Penn State head coach James Franklin. It’s certainly true that his raw numbers were more encouraging that season.

Unfortunately for Hackenberg, when we went back and graded his 2013 campaign, the results were not good. His 2013 season grade was a minus-24.7, which would have ranked third from the bottom in this draft class for the 2015 season.
My God Judge, you love this too much!!! I still dont understand the hate, no matter what he supposedly said, or didnt say on the way out the door.
 
I don't work for Pro Football Focus.
I figured, but on the other hand, you didnt have to post this, or you could have just posted the link instead of the entire story. I havent seen you posting the positive articles on Hack
 
I figured, but on the other hand, you didnt have to post this, or you could have just posted the link instead of the entire story. I havent seen you posting the positive articles on Hack

I have no idea why big PSU fans, invested in wanting recruits come to PSU to play football, would want to run down a kid that selected and stayed with PSU under the most difficult circumstances in NCAA history (even the SMU kids had no choice). Makes no sense whatsoever. While I think many kids underperformed over the years, I've never gone on a vendetta against them. For example, Paris Palmer was awful early last season, but improved. I'd never run around trashing Paris Palmer. I might make a occasional statement, based on analysis on how to improve PSU, but I'd never hammer the kid over and over and over; especially after he graduated.

You have to wonder why there is this personal vendetta going on. There is less vitriol against a guy like Redd or Pat Devlin. Mystifying, really.
 
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I have no idea why big PSU fans, invested in wanting recruits come to PSU to play football, would want to run down a kid that selected and stayed with PSU under the most difficult circumstances in NCAA history (even the SMU kids had no choice). Makes no sense whatsoever. While I think many kids underperformed over the years, I've never gone on a vendetta against them. For example, Paris Palmer was awful early last season, but improved. I'd never run around trashing Paris Palmer. I might make a occasional statement, based on analysis on how to improve PSU, but I'd never hammer the kid over and over and over; especially after he graduated.

You have to wonder why there is this personal vendetta going on. There is less vitriol against a guy like Redd or Pat Devlin. Mystifying, really.

What vendetta?

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If I had to relive every snap all at once--I think my reaction would be....meh..... He's been his own worst enemy the last two years but I have to call BS on the undraftable thing. At one point FLO thought he was one of the best he had ever seen, that alone warrants a mid-round grade.

Articles like this one are in my opinion lunatic fringe and simply designed to generate hits much like this post. Sorry Judge you know I love you but sometimes the soups gets stirred too much.
 
If I had to relive every snap all at once--I think my reaction would be....meh..... He's been his own worst enemy the last two years but I have to call BS on the undraftable thing. At one point FLO thought he was one of the best he had ever seen, that alone warrants a mid-round grade.

Articles like this one are in my opinion lunatic fringe and simply designed to generate hits much like this post. Sorry Judge you know I love you but sometimes the soups gets stirred too much.

I like analysis. I like backing up opinions with fact.

By looking at Hack's completion percentage under no pressure, 61.9%, and comparing that with his peers, you take the offensive line out of the equation. Same with the bubble screens. His inaccuracy on the bubble screens is about 4 times higher than the average QB, and double the worst figure that PFF has measured over the past 3 years. So I've been having these ongoing arguments, and I think those FACTS/MEASUREMENTS that have no reliance on the offensive line aren't spinnable.

The Penn State offensive line wasn't a good offensive line for 2 years. But, my opinion, the greatest factor in our poor offensive play, over the line, the fired OC, any other factor, was poor QB play: inaccurate, poor recognition of blitzes, unable to correctly handle unblocked free rushers (only 5 in protection), poor decision making....it was all there. And the effort by so many to blame Hack's poor QB play on others didn't seem fair to me. So my "vendetta" was/is an effort to correct the record, as it were. There have been many, many lines of copy in article after article blaming Hack's troubles on others. My posts are a drop in the bucket compared to the "accepted wisdom" that blamed others.
 
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I have no idea why big PSU fans, invested in wanting recruits come to PSU to play football, would want to run down a kid that selected and stayed with PSU under the most difficult circumstances in NCAA history (even the SMU kids had no choice). Makes no sense whatsoever. While I think many kids underperformed over the years, I've never gone on a vendetta against them. For example, Paris Palmer was awful early last season, but improved. I'd never run around trashing Paris Palmer. I might make a occasional statement, based on analysis on how to improve PSU, but I'd never hammer the kid over and over and over; especially after he graduated.

You have to wonder why there is this personal vendetta going on. There is less vitriol against a guy like Redd or Pat Devlin. Mystifying, really.

The Vendetta is on this board not with the kid.
Similar to the McGloin vs. Bolden era. Did Bolden do anything wrong? Not really. He was just terrible. It was obvious to some of us and others insisted he was better than McGloin.
Hack has the same battle going on this board. Some of us think he was mediocre and held us back. Others like yourself think he is a first round talent and consistently change the parameters to describe his lackluster play.

I doubt many recruits care about this message board with regards to Hack.

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I think that the analysis in the article is fair. Sure it is critical of Hack. But the stats are the stats. It points out holes in his game. He is innacurrate. He had issues reading defenses. He had an absolutley horrible offensive line. But his play did not help the o line at all.

Regardless of the analysis, Hack will have an opportunity to play in the NFL and will succeed or not suceed based on his performance in the NFL.

I think Hack was a savior for the PSU program. He was loyal and an excellent example of the type of player that we want representing PSU. Throughout his career he had flashes of brillance mixed in with flashes or innaccuracy, poor decision making etc. He has all of the measureables to be a big time NFL qb. Question is does he have everything else it takes.

However, whether he has a 20 year NFL career, or a 2 year career...the guy will be a success in life based on what he has shown over the past 3-4 years.
 
Can this thread be sent to the "dumb" board ????

My contribution to this dumb "thread" is let's see when he is drafted, then let's see in the next couple of years.
OH, when was the LAST PSU QB that was even considered a QB by the NFL ???

Think !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
I like analysis. I like backing up opinions with fact.

By looking at Hack's completion percentage under no pressure, 61.9%, and comparing that with his peers, you take the offensive line out of the equation. Same with the bubble screens. His inaccuracy on the bubble screens is about 4 times higher than the average QB, and double the worst figure that PFF has measured over the past 3 years. So I've been having these ongoing arguments, and I think those FACTS/MEASUREMENTS that have no reliance on the offensive line aren't spinnable.

The Penn State offensive line wasn't a good offensive line for 2 years. But, my opinion, the greatest factor in our poor offensive play, over the line, the fired OC, any other factor, was poor QB play: inaccurate, poor recognition of blitzes, unable to correctly handle unblocked free rushers (only 5 in protection), poor decision making....it was all there. And the effort by so many to blame Hack's poor QB play on others didn't seem fair to me. So my "vendetta" was/is an effort to correct the record, as it were. There have been many, many lines of copy in article after article blaming Hack's troubles on others. My posts are a drop in the bucket compared to the "accepted wisdom" that blamed others.
I guess the point is no one really wants to hear this opinion anymore. It's old we get it Hack may or may not be good!
 
I think that the analysis in the article is fair. Sure it is critical of Hack. But the stats are the stats. It points out holes in his game. He is innacurrate. He had issues reading defenses. He had an absolutley horrible offensive line. But his play did not help the o line at all.

Regardless of the analysis, Hack will have an opportunity to play in the NFL and will succeed or not suceed based on his performance in the NFL.

I think Hack was a savior for the PSU program. He was loyal and an excellent example of the type of player that we want representing PSU. Throughout his career he had flashes of brillance mixed in with flashes or innaccuracy, poor decision making etc. He has all of the measureables to be a big time NFL qb. Question is does he have everything else it takes.

However, whether he has a 20 year NFL career, or a 2 year career...the guy will be a success in life based on what he has shown over the past 3-4 years.

Can't agree...his stats are made up. What constitutes a hurry based on Hack versus his blocking? Can't be defined. But I dare you to watch the Temple game, Palmer's first game, and come away thinking the sacks were Hack's fault (BTW, PSU never once picked up the delay blitz from their MLB the entire day...I think he ended up with four or five sacks himself).
 
I've never seen anything like it. The guy graduated. I get the complaining during the season, don't agree but get it. Why trash the kid now? Makes no sense at all.

Sadly, we will have to endure this until fall. Then McSorely will be the new piñata.
 
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I think that the analysis in the article is fair. Sure it is critical of Hack. But the stats are the stats. It points out holes in his game. He is innacurrate. He had issues reading defenses. He had an absolutley horrible offensive line. But his play did not help the o line at all.

Regardless of the analysis, Hack will have an opportunity to play in the NFL and will succeed or not suceed based on his performance in the NFL.

I think Hack was a savior for the PSU program. He was loyal and an excellent example of the type of player that we want representing PSU. Throughout his career he had flashes of brillance mixed in with flashes or innaccuracy, poor decision making etc. He has all of the measureables to be a big time NFL qb. Question is does he have everything else it takes.

However, whether he has a 20 year NFL career, or a 2 year career...the guy will be a success in life based on what he has shown over the past 3-4 years.

The main conclusion of the article is that Hack was so bad that he is un-draftable. Hack sure is a work in progress and much of the analysis is fair, but if this guy thinks Hack is undraftable, then he has no credibility IMHO.
 
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I like analysis. I like backing up opinions with fact.

By looking at Hack's completion percentage under no pressure, 61.9%, and comparing that with his peers, you take the offensive line out of the equation. Same with the bubble screens. His inaccuracy on the bubble screens is about 4 times higher than the average QB, and double the worst figure that PFF has measured over the past 3 years. So I've been having these ongoing arguments, and I think those FACTS/MEASUREMENTS that have no reliance on the offensive line aren't spinnable.

The Penn State offensive line wasn't a good offensive line for 2 years. But, my opinion, the greatest factor in our poor offensive play, over the line, the fired OC, any other factor, was poor QB play: inaccurate, poor recognition of blitzes, unable to correctly handle unblocked free rushers (only 5 in protection), poor decision making....it was all there. And the effort by so many to blame Hack's poor QB play on others didn't seem fair to me. So my "vendetta" was/is an effort to correct the record, as it were. There have been many, many lines of copy in article after article blaming Hack's troubles on others. My posts are a drop in the bucket compared to the "accepted wisdom" that blamed others.
nice try. You told me you didn't like the fact that Hack did not thank CJF in his pro announcement. So just quit with the 'I like analysis' stuff, just say 'I dislike Hack for not thanking CJF on the way out the door so every time I find a negative article I will post it.'
 
The main conclusion of the article is that Hack was so bad that he is un-draftable. Hack sure is a work in progress and much of the analysis is fair, but if this guy thinks Hack is undraftable, then he has no credibility IMHO.

I definitely think Hack will be drafted.
 
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This is complete BS:


Quarterbacks play a role in the rate at which they face pressure — it isn’t simply a function of the offensive line. This is important to keep in mind when evaluating Hackenberg.

Many have cited Penn State’s poor pass protection as a reason for Hackenberg’s struggles, and to be clear, it’s not as though I thought he had the benefit of a great offensive line. But let’s look at the 2015 season opener against Temple as an example of how Hackenberg deserved some blame for the amount of pressure he was under.

Hackenberg was under pressure on 17 of his 36 dropbacks in that game, but only seven of those pressures were charged to the offensive line. That means nearly 60 percent of the pressure he was under in that game was not surrendered by his O-line, and much of it was clear from before the snap.
I defy anyone to watch that Temple game, Paris Palmer's first game, and agree with this statement. As a result, I think the entire article is full of opinion, not statistics, and total BS.

As a former O-lineman, I am sympathetic to the O-line and have defended the O-line, more than any other, over the years. But if someone thinks that O-line was competent, by any stretch, in 2015, there isn't much of a discussion. Not only was the Oline bad, so were the TE's and RB's in passing. In addition, every game PSU was on TV the cover person said that the WR's didn't come back to the ball, ran poor routes, didn't separate and more (ON TV, I can't see that but that's what the color people said in just about every game). I just can't get the picture out of my mind of the center and guards being blown back into Hack's lap when we were deep in our own end or when the staff completely abandoned any semblance of a short running game.

Noticed the writer didn't point out that the OC was fired on the first possible day....wonder why?
Taking Palmer out of the equation, the biggest bitch after that game was Donovan (or whoever) not making adjustments! You can't tell me that if one coach (or player) said to hack, "when you see that sixth guy..." he would have checked or indeed got rid of the ball. I blame most of that stat on coaching!
 
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What a load of BS. This guy should take a hundred hits and see how he handles pressure. The problem was the entire offense, mainly Donovan. Tonight the B1G Net is replaying the PSU/Northwestern game. Watch and learn.
Hack doesn't read the D presnap? Hell, he spent more time reading his O set because his guys were constantly out of position. He never had time to read the D. And the O was so poorly run we often spent all our timeouts in the first/third quarter because Donovan was so late getting the play call in....or we had the wrong personal on the field......and then someone would line up wrong and Hack would have to move them.

Then he had a line that couldn't block, terrible sets that telegraphed the play, TEs that couldn't block or catch, receivers that ran the wrong routes and often ended up in the same spot, backs that couldn't pick up a blitz.

Again, watch tonight's rebroadcast and you will see what may have been the dumbest playcall in the history of football. NW punted us down to our own 6. Now most teams would play it safe and run the ball and try to get some space. You could call for a play-action pass and catch the D in a run set and burn them for a good gain. So what did Donovan do? He called for a pass play....a gutsy call. But the team lined up in an empty set....no running back!! We basically yelled out 'Hey, every body. we're gonna pass!!!' The entire stadium and 10 million watching on the tele knew it was going to be a pass. And we had no back to pick up any blitz. So NW blitzed and Hack went down at the 4. We basically gave up by running two weak up-the-middle- runs and then punted.

If I were head coach, I woulda fired Donovan immediately after that game, maybe after that play!

Hack was a talented player stuck in a cluster f^%$^% of an offense. Because of that, no one has any idea how he will do as a pro. Has a lot of talent but no way to decipher how he will develop. My take is he will be a good QB in the right situation. If he gets stuck in another crappy offensive situation, he won't last long. But with a team with a good scheme and the talent to execute it, he will stand out.
 
Penn State quarterback Christian Hackenberg is one of the most polarizing prospects in the 2016 NFL draft. There are evaluators who have stated that they believe Hackenberg should go in the second round of the draft. Still others have said that his performance on tape is worrying enough that he should drop further than the second tier of passers, but the tools are still clearly there for him to potentially be an NFL-caliber quarterback.

I hold a different opinion: I don’t believe Christian Hackenberg should even be drafted.

That seems like hyperbole, and it is not intended to come across as a slam against a player who is working hard for his shot to play in the NFL. But the truth is that instead of hyperbole it is actually an honest assessment backed up by three years of play-by-play grading, tape study and data.

Here is why my analysis and that of the PFF team has led me to believe that Hackenberg is not a draftable prospect in this class:

Inaccuracy

There isn’t a more inaccurate quarterback prospect in this draft with a reasonable chance at being drafted. Hackenberg is inaccurate at every level of the field, on all throws and against all coverages.

This season his completion percentage when adjusted for drops, spikes, etc. was 64.0 percent, which was 120th in the nation. In 2014, he was 105th. Every accuracy number you look at sees Hackenberg struggle, and the tape shows the same thing.

Even when under no pressure at all this past season, he completed just 61.9 percent of his passes. That’s the same completion percentage Cardale Jones managed on all plays, not just pressure plays, and Jones is a player whose accuracy is seen as a negative.

Hackenberg’s completion percentage under no pressure at all of 61.9 percent would only have ranked 44th in the nation, if it was his real completion percentage.

Completion percentage can be affected by many things, but if you dive a little deeper and look specifically at his ball placement, things get even worse. Hackenberg completed 192 passes this past season, but when we charted ball location for quarterbacks in this draft class, 55 of those catches were badly located passes. He was only accurate on 48.1 percent of attempts when throwing to open receivers. By comparison, Cody Kessler was accurate on 73.2 percent of his attempts to open receivers, Carson Wentz was at 61.2 percent. Even Cardale Jones, our inaccuracy comp in this exercise, was 5 percent better when throwing to open guys.

Hack WR Screen Miss

I have never seen a quarterback consistently miss as many wide receiver screens as Hackenberg. Receiver screens are supposed to be high-percentage plays. In college, the average receiver screen pass is only off-target on 4.75 percent of attempts. In the NFL that figure becomes 3.45 percent, and the worst mark any QB has posted over the past three seasons is Chad Henne, at 8.47 percent. Last season, Hackenberg was off-target on 15.8 percent of his receiver screen passes — around five times more inaccurate than the average NFL QB.

The story only gets worse on passes 11 to 20 yards down the field. He is accurate in ball-location terms on just 27.5 percent of them (the best QBs in this class are up around 50 percent). From 21 to 30, yards he is down at 12.0 percent (with the best marks around 40 percent).

Hackenberg is capable of occasionally brilliant passes, and every now and then, exceptional accuracy. But when looking at his entire body of work, our assessment is that he is far too inaccurate to play in the NFL.

Decision-making

All quarterbacks can be caught out, or baited, or somehow convinced to attempt a pass they shouldn’t, but at least an evaluator can usually work out where the play broke down and what tempted him into taking the shot. Hackenberg regularly has plays where the pass has little to no chance of succeeding, but he puts the ball in the air anyway.

That is a fatal flaw for an NFL quarterback, as QBs need to be able to read what happens before and after the snap to put the ball in the right place. Sometimes Hackenberg can do exactly that, but far too often he appears to simply decide not to, and those plays lead to simple turnovers.

PFF’s play-by-play grading scale works from minus-2 to plus-2 in 0.5 increments. Minus-1.5 and minus-2 throws are catastrophic plays that usually result in a turnover. Hackenberg has 37 of them over his college career, equivalent to a catastrophically bad pass on 3.1 percent of his attempts. Jared Goff, by contrast, threw one on 1.1 percent in 2015. Even Michigan State QB Connor Cook, whom we have noted throughout his draft evaluation for his bad habit of reckless throws, threw one on 1.5 percent — or less than half the rate of Hackenberg.

Hackenberg regularly does not see defenders breaking on the ball or cutting underneath his intended receiver. Against Temple in the first game of this season, he missed a defensive end dropping straight under a quick slant and almost tossed him a pick-six. Last year against Indiana he tossed the ball straight to a defender who was cutting in front of his bubble screen and did throw a pick-six:

Hack Pick Six

Turning the ball over at the NFL level is the cardinal sin of quarterback play. Most top passers now have historically low interception and turnover rates. Hackenberg puts the ball in that kind of danger far too often, at a far lower level of competition.

Controlling pressure

Quarterbacks play a role in the rate at which they face pressure — it isn’t simply a function of the offensive line. This is important to keep in mind when evaluating Hackenberg.

Many have cited Penn State’s poor pass protection as a reason for Hackenberg’s struggles, and to be clear, it’s not as though I thought he had the benefit of a great offensive line. But let’s look at the 2015 season opener against Temple as an example of how Hackenberg deserved some blame for the amount of pressure he was under.

Hackenberg was under pressure on 17 of his 36 dropbacks in that game, but only seven of those pressures were charged to the offensive line. That means nearly 60 percent of the pressure he was under in that game was not surrendered by his O-line, and much of it was clear from before the snap.

Free-Rusher-Middle

Temple regularly showed six rushers before the snap, came with all of them, and Hackenberg was surprised by the free rusher despite only having five men in the protection. Some might want to cut him a break for the free rusher the offense couldn’t pick up, but it’s his job to understand that it is coming from the pre-snap read and be prepared to get rid of the ball quickly.

Don’t get me wrong: Hackenberg’s line was not good at Penn State, but it wasn’t the prohibitive collection of uniformed turnstyles that they’ve been made out to be, either. As a unit they surrendered 135 total pressures in 2015, which is bad, but 15 other teams managed worse, including Goff’s California Bears (154). 45 other offensive lines surrendered pressure at a greater rate than Hackenberg’s line last season. And in 2014, we charged Hackenberg with eight of the sacks he took, which is five more than any single lineman gave up.

In fact, since he has been the quarterback, Hackenberg has been directly to blame for more sacks than any single lineman blocking for him, and that doesn’t even touch the ones he was indirectly at fault for by being unable to effectively diagnose the pressure looks he was presented with.

Lack of upside

Much of the positive buzz around Hackenberg as a prospect has to do with the fact that he looks the part of an NFL QB. But while Hackenberg can make every throw you can think of, and does have some beautiful passes in his tape, the frequency with which he is able to produce them is concerning.

In 2015, Hackenberg produced a pass graded at plus-1 or higher (a stat we have taken to calling “Big-Time Throws,” much to my distress) on 2.68 percent of his attempts. 151 QBs were better than that, and only nine were worse.

But what about 2013?

One of the narratives around Hackenberg is that his play dropped off after an impressive true freshman campaign in 2013 — when Bill O’Brien was his head coach, prior to taking over the Houston Texans’ job, and his top target was Allen Robinson, now one of the league’s best young wide receivers for the Jaguars — due to a subpar supporting cast and poor fit with new Penn State head coach James Franklin. It’s certainly true that his raw numbers were more encouraging that season.

Unfortunately for Hackenberg, when we went back and graded his 2013 campaign, the results were not good. His 2013 season grade was a minus-24.7, which would have ranked third from the bottom in this draft class for the 2015 season.

Nice analysis, but does not fish. Only analysis that matters is that of the 32 NFL GMs/Coaches who will decide who gets drafted.
 
I don't see that much PSU football but what I saw that jumped out at me was him missing the bubble screens, like the analysis mentioned. Those should be gimmies. Pass rush isn't an issue and you know before the play starts exactly where the receiver will be and that he'll be open.

This topic has gotten so much discussion that somebody should put up a poll when the draft comes on when Hackenbeg is drafted. If nobody else does then I will.
 
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The author of the article is a brainless shock jock who ckearly doesn't know have as much as he thinks. The film tells a different story. Hack's accuracy issued are greatly over stated. His accuracy (not meaninhless fantasy numbers) is not in question and his ball placement on NFL throws is tops in this class. As much as press likes to think he is a polarizing, among real scouts, he is anything but.
 
Unfortunately for Hackenberg, when we went back and graded his 2013 campaign, the results were not good. His 2013 season grade was a minus-24.7, which would have ranked third from the bottom in this draft class for the 2015 season.

I agree with this last statement completely. Everyone seems to think Hackenberg was excpetionally better in 2013, and IMHO that is just not true. The number of jump balls that Robinson brought down really made him look good at times. But his overall completion% was about the same. That being said, he has some things you can't teach, strong arm and quick release. Can the rest be coached up is the million dollar question. I believe that footwork and decision making can certainly be coached up, but pocket presence I am not so sure about.
I certainly hope he gets drafted by the right team and in 2-3 years turns out to be the steal of the draft.
I wouldn't even say he has a quick release. For a 6 4" QB he got alot of balls batted down at the line of scrimmage.
 
If his accuracy is not in question...how do you explain his numbers on WR screens?

Im not a Hack hater at all. But i think the article identifies some shortcomings in Hack's game in the last 2-3 years.
 
Screen numbers are irrelevent. He isn't a spread QB. He doesnt have the foot speed to make some of those throws. Few qbs of hisbskill set could make thise throws. 100% on Donovan.
 
If his accuracy is not in question...how do you explain his numbers on WR screens?

Im not a Hack hater at all. But i think the article identifies some shortcomings in Hack's game in the last 2-3 years.

Agree - they're spot on with his inaccuracy particularly as it applies to short, relatively rasy passes. He also had a lot of passes dropped. That said, the writer's conclusion is way off base and just plain wrong. Clickbait at its finest.
 
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I don't see that much PSU football but what I saw that jumped out at me was him missing the bubble screens, like the analysis mentioned. Those should be gimmies. Pass rush isn't an issue and you know before the play starts exactly where the receiver will be and that he'll be open.

This topic has gotten so much discussion that somebody should put up a poll when the draft comes on when Hackenbeg is drafted. If nobody else does then I will.

You know a WR will be open? Pass rush isn't an issue? You should try out. Won't need are strength if your five yard patterns are open every time and pads rush doesn't matter. QB would be easy peasy.
 
I have no idea why big PSU fans, invested in wanting recruits come to PSU to play football, would want to run down a kid that selected and stayed with PSU under the most difficult circumstances in NCAA history (even the SMU kids had no choice). Makes no sense whatsoever. While I think many kids underperformed over the years, I've never gone on a vendetta against them. For example, Paris Palmer was awful early last season, but improved. I'd never run around trashing Paris Palmer. I might make a occasional statement, based on analysis on how to improve PSU, but I'd never hammer the kid over and over and over; especially after he graduated.

You have to wonder why there is this personal vendetta going on. There is less vitriol against a guy like Redd or Pat Devlin. Mystifying, really.


Who do you think takes the most heat with EVERY team at EVERY level? The HC and the QB.
 
You know a WR will be open? Pass rush isn't an issue? You should try out. Won't need are strength if your five yard patterns are open every time and pads rush doesn't matter. QB would be easy peasy.

There's no pattern for the WR to run. Is there? The QB takes the snap and immediately throws it pretty much to where the WR was when he lined up. It's easy to complete, although sometimes the DB doesn't get blocked well and it doesn't gain any yardage. And pass rush is irrelevant when the QB throws the ball as soon as he gets the snap.
 
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