Other than a few sports like wrestling, it seems as if the overall state of PSU athletics really has fallen in recent years.
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Okay. Then let's stop the pretense and just have club sports, and stop charging excessive ticket and parking fees, which probably is the way it should be anyway. As long as you're going to go through the pretense of being a big time college athletic program, then success on the field, court and rink matters. God, I read once that even Joe Paterno said that he never could've implemented his Grand Experiment if he did not have success on the field.
Please don't speak for me. I have perspective. I'm 54 years old, and have experienced my fair share of athletic highs and lows, so I know how to deal with them. The success of any team that I support doesn't affect how I live my life. With that said, when you play a D-1 sport at a school like PSU, there must be a higher expectation than for a 6-year old who is playing a youth soccer game and gets a participation trophy.
Also, just to let you know, I believe that there should be a minor football league so that kids like Parsons don't have to go through the charade of pretending that they're a student athlete. This way, actual students who have no hope of ever playing in the NFL actually can play college football and represent their school. I think that shows what my perspective is about big time college athletics.
That piece of paper is not a guaranteed ticket onward and upward. Playing on a major college team opens a ton of doorways for these kids. And being an All American keeps those doors open for quite awhile. So for the players winning and losing does have consequences. Besides, losing a game is the same as working all week and not getting paid on payday. Sucks.
As for the fans, most do put far too much into winning and losing. It should have much affect on their lives at all. Does pay bills, fix relationships, help you lose weight, boost your career. In fact it has almost no affect on people outside the program. And if it does......than time to step back and re-evaluate.
This is, of course, correct.
Winning and losing, being a starter, being an all-american - are they everything? Of course not.
But do those things matter? Of course, they do.
If you think that playing college football doesn't help these people in their adult lives, you're crazy.
It does matter.
We cheer because it IS TRIBAL. Seriously, stop with your woke word salad.
PSU football is TRIBAL. As is USC football.
Think the recruit we tried to sign that ended up at Ohio State is JUST NOW a dirtball and the kids we did sign are angels? Surely not. So, the only reason we root for "our guys" and against "their guys" is that IT IS TRIBAL.
Tutors to help your academics, learning skills like discipline, organization, and time management, meeting large numbers of business leaders, politicians, administration, and more. Travel to new areas and expanding your network there. For anyone on the team and the staff it is a huge positive.
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Don't we have 4 ADs for gender compliance and diversity??? God, I have to get one of these worthless high paying jobs!
Our AD was worthless politically correct hire. Checked three boxes! Woman, Lesbian and looks like Martin Short!
Winning program/programs no longer matter. Big 10 money caused this. For all of you that want to leave this conference, forget it. I would never miss a PennState event a few years back, now I only watch if I’m home flipping channels. This includes football which has become painful to watch. However I will make time to watch the wrestling match with Iowa tonight. For those of you who think the wrestling team lost a step to Iowa, you proved how little you know about the sport.
Sandy Barbour - a joke of a hire.
More or less a 110 IQ, never a real athlete, wouldn't understand competition.
But hey, she's really unattractive and apparently a lesbian.
That would be a good debate. Could someone please list all PSU coaching hires since Sandy arrived in 2014? It would be helpful if we had a list to see.
It would also be interesting to see which coaches were hired more by committee (like Franklin IIRC) and which were hired more by Sandy.
That said, there’s more to an ADs job than just coaching hires if you’re going to evaluate job performance.
Whenever you hear people say that CEOs and executives are paid too much, we should consider the cost of hiring bad leadership.
-By all accounts, Sandy was a failed AD at Cal. At PSU, she has expanded the bureaucratic mess and overhead. Whatever the exact cause, the overall success of PSU varsity athletics has decreased. Why PSU thought Sandy would be different here than she was at Cal, is a mystery.
-The Academic standing of Florida State has increased significantly since Barron left Tallahassee. Conversely, PSU's academic standing has had a precipitous slide since he came to PSU.
Leadership matters. Leaders drive culture, organization, and execution, and accountability.
Well said my brother!!! Sums up everything perfectly! We need another Jim Tarman or Tim Curley. People who actually knew how to be an AD and beat the bush and bring in the donations!!! FUND RAISING!!! Try it Sandy. IT IS PART OF YOUR JOB!!!
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Not following this question in reference to my post. I never stated anything about PennState wrestling not being in the Big 10.
She checks many boxes for a liberal university hire. Shame none of them are qualifications for being successful.
Well Goooooolly. Most of you folks sound batshit crazy!
I need me some more Kid Twist! Never stop being you sir.
I need me some more Kid Twist! Never stop being you sir.
Let’s face it folks it’s been more downhill since she has been here
Any sanctions last year? Any news trucks parked on campus? #409
You dont care about the honor BS. Just win baby. Empty the jails.
At this point we‘re not having much success. You want honor go bust up some rocks. It’s an honorable profession. No need to spend 150k for an education for that. Last time I walked on campus with my daughter in her dorm, thought I was in China. Where’s the honor in that? Not enough American students willing to pay for the ridiculous tuition increases. There is no honor in this admin, it’s all about the money. Never forget it it. Without success/winning the money goes bye bye. I grew up in S. Philly, mom still works at Wendy’s and happy, is that honorable, successful or both? Everyone has an opinion on what is honorable. My opinion is firm, excepting mediocre results is not honorable.
Which administration is not about money? College tuition nationally is up about 500% the last 30 years.
PSU tuition did not just start going up in 2012.
You are all over the place. Too many foreign students, cost, results. Wth?
Keep drinking the kool aid. I also have a son the graduated from a California State University. FYI he was excepted at University Park also. Tuition room and board less than one third the cost of PennState. PennState is one of the most expensive state universities and cost have risen significantly. While I loved my time there and so did my daughter, if I had to do it over again she would have went somewhere else for the money. Money saved would have payed for her follow on schooling.
Foreign students bring in the money. My daughter shared her dorm room with a Chinese student as a freshman. The young lady went to the room twice all year. Worked out for my daughter and PennState. The girl rented a house by herself. If interested you can read for yourself the cost of education at PennState and all Pa schools.
Foreign students bring in the money. My daughter shared her dorm room with a Chinese student as a freshman. The young lady went to the room twice all year. Worked out for my daughter and PennState. The girl rented a house by herself. If interested you can read for yourself the cost of education at PennState and all Pa schools.
Pa. state colleges among most expensive in nation for residents
Pennsylvania state colleges and universities are some of the most expensive in the country, according to government data.
www.ydr.com
Keep drinking the kool aid. I also have a son the graduated from a California State University. FYI he was excepted at University Park also. Tuition room and board less than one third the cost of PennState. PennState is one of the most expensive state universities and cost have risen significantly. While I loved my time there and so did my daughter, if I had to do it over again she would have went somewhere else for the money. Money saved would have payed for her follow on schooling.
Foreign students bring in the money. My daughter shared her dorm room with a Chinese student as a freshman. The young lady went to the room twice all year. Worked out for my daughter and PennState. The girl rented a house by herself. If interested you can read for yourself the cost of education at PennState and all Pa schools.
Pa. state colleges among most expensive in nation for residents
Pennsylvania state colleges and universities are some of the most expensive in the country, according to government data.www.ydr.com
So it has nothing to do with football games won?
Nobody made you send your kid to PSU. That was your choice. I guess you made a bad decision. Whose fault is that?
Almost sounds like what happened in another one of the sports here..... hmm
I think Branch Rickey said, "It is better to get rid of an old coach a year too early than a year too late."
Time Curley was a terrible AD. What you want an AD who cost the athletic department millions of dollars be mishandling a pedophile which landed him in jail? The ad who over saw the building of the worst college basketball facility. A facility that the team couldn’t practice in at times because of concerts. The ad who failed to keep the athletic department with modern times. Curley was about 10 years late on STEP and botched it so bad that it took years for attendance to return. He wasn’t a great fundraiser. He had Joe who could close in donations better than anyone. Penn State annual revenue lagged behind many of it peers and was not even in the top 3 in the Big. Curly was a terrible AD that road on the coattails of Joe.
I can never be disappointed in losing a football game when expectations are low, thats the reality. I will watch a good game now days , teams don’t matter to me.
My daughter made her own choice, of course she didn’t pay for it. PennState was a good decision, a bad financial one maybe. She makes good money but that was after follow on schooling.
You on the other hand seem like a lemming. Probably a blind Biden follower and believe everything you here about Covid. I can picture you riding in a car with a mask on. Enjoy your life of acceptance.
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