Okie state vs hawks

[El-Jefe]

I agree with you Jefe, but.....

All of the best we have see developed a new set of tools as time went by. Taylor was a crab ride beast in year one, and by senior year, used it maybe a 3rd of the time. Zain, everyone knew what was coming....bow and arrow...which did not exist in his freshman year. Instead you got wrecked by a leg ride and a trip to the MRI booth from the accompanying power half. Joseph is definitely not the same wrestler today and neither was Tank from beginning to end. They all look different as they acquire new tools and gain mature muscle. It isn’t just the experience of wrestling. It’s what is applied applied from the experience.

If course wrestling is basic and foundational. It doesn’t matter what they expect if you execute and impart will but those athletes are the best because they can change their game.

When they don’t change....well, then we have a good array of examples I don’t really need to provide names.

Agreed. The best wrestlers will pick up a new move or two, and new ways of applying their existing arsenal. Especially if they're complementary moves. (Such as Zain having the bow and arrow when guys belly out to avoid legs.) (BTW, the bow and arrow is illegal in HS, of course he didn't have it as a true freshman.)

That's not nearly the same as a "diversity of attacks." Great for some guys, but it can't be at the expense of doing other things well.

 

[Hotshoe]

In all of internet land there is what, one possible reference to a "mono like" illness? It's all speculation to me. I'm sure Spencer knows.

 

[danoftw]

Like Desanto making his own stall call at the end of the 1st. He missed the 2 for the Fix TD though. Maybe he'll even start signaling his own match point deductions

 

[El-Jefe]

BTW, this is all lame.

We're inventing excuses out of thin air for Spencer losing, and these are the best we can come up with? Mono? Burnout? Weight cut? Lyme disease? Stagnant offense? Sad.

We can do a better job of imagining reasons for a loss with zero factual basis.

For example: he got robbed by hookers at Midlands.

 

[jack66]

Lee is an outdoors man and a hunter--could very well be Lyme disease--I hope not, he is one HECK OF A TALENT

What about Malaria? Or maybe he was bitten by a rogue Tsetse fly that arrived on a banana boat?

 

[jrd23psu]

Stieber is the closest college comparison to Lee style wise, and he wasn't exactly renowned for a dizzying array of attacks. Even his coach said his matches were "double, bar, pin." He did a few things extraordinarily well.

Zain also said he didn't care if everyone knew what he was going to do. because they couldn't stop him.

No need to over-think this to death. Usually the simplest solution is the best one. Don't put your head near your knee.

The comparison to Zain is good but not totally accurate. Zain was elite on his feet. He could get to the legs of guys from ties and from space. Spencer can only get to the legs of guys from a tie. Neither Zain nor Spencer are great scramblers, but both are OK. Both are good counter wrestlers from neutral, though.

Both Zain and Spencer are elite on top, however Zain's top game punishes guys. It breaks them physically which breaks them mentally. Spencer's top game, while unreal, is a finesse game. He will tilt you but you won't pay a large physical price for it. Spencer can ride you for long periods but it's not punishing like a Zain ride is when not scoring points.

They are two very different animals.

 

[El-Jefe]

The comparison to Zain is good but not totally accurate. Zain was elite on his feet. He could get to the legs of guys from ties and from space. Spencer can only get to the legs of guys from a tie. Neither Zain nor Spencer are great scramblers, but both are OK. Both are good counter wrestlers from neutral, though.

Both Zain and Spencer are elite on top, however Zain's top game punishes guys. It breaks them physically which breaks them mentally. Spencer's top game, while unreal, is a finesse game. He will tilt you but you won't pay a large physical price for it. Spencer can ride you for long periods but it's not punishing like a Zain ride is when not scoring points.

They are two very different animals.

The point was that Zain did a few things well enough that opponents couldn't stop it. Their specific styles, and specific strength/weaknesses, are irrelevant to the point.

 

[Ja1339]

That and the Casey Cunninghams of the world are scouting Lee...those scouting reports have greatly closed he gap on Lee for those who can take advantage of them. Big reason whey Joseph beat IMar.

So there's a book on how to beat Lee, or dare I say, a binder?

 

[El-Jefe]

What about Malaria? Or maybe he was bitten by a rogue Tsetse fly that arrived on a banana boat?

Now we're talking!

Maybe he had improperly prepared puffer fish sushi in Stillwater the night before.

Can't rule out Ebola yet either ...

 

[PD4thespawn]

maybe his feet are starting to web

 

[Dogwelder]

Spencer has a rare blood type that is used to save thousands of lives per ounce. He has been overdonating blood. Less blood equals less stamina.

 

[Waste Management Consultant]

Lee looks exhausted but the larger issue might be how limited he is offensively. He scores with his firemans/kelly action from neutral but struggles when an opponent won't give him a handle. He is the best at his tilt I have ever seen, but not much else on top. College wrestling can become cruel to guys who lack diversity in attacks. He will still maul 95% of college wrestlers at his weight, but imo will struggle with the best couple of guys because of lack of scoring in other ways. A guy like Bo or Nolf can create offense from so many different attacks you simply can't scout your way to a close match without deciding to run. Bull has some of the same issues- Good leg attack and a mean chin whip, but he isn't going to surprise you with a bunch of strong kung fu you weren't prepared to counter attack. Spencer could use a Casey Cunningham to open up additional scoring and so could the Bull.

The good news as a fan of all things PA wrestling is that Spencer can proudly point to at least one NCAA Championship no matter what happens the rest of his time in Iowa City. He was one of the most dominant High School guys I have ever seen from PA. There have been some guys that coming out of High School you would have bet everything you own They would win one NCAA championship. Ty Moore, Marshall Peppleman, the Alton’s, Bob Crawford, Jimmy Gulibon come to mind and have a total of zero NCAA Championships between them. But 20 state titles combined.