Well, these planes do not need those doors so they should be pretty damned secure.
Just to be clear, these planes "Don't" need these doors. The only time they need them is if they alter the seating to go over 200 passengers. I can only imagine that this would be due to eliminating first class, at least. And that entire reconfiguration would be far more work than unplugging these "just in case" emergency exit doors.
Exactly. They could be very well secured. If needed in the future it would be after a major rehab/refit do they could be altered then.
Here is an article from the WSJ that states that although aviation is safe, there has been some deterioration in the last several years. When I went to it, it wasn't pay walled. https://www.wsj.com/business/airlin...r-burns-air-travels-rough-2024-start-c90e97de
Supposedly someone’s IPhone survived the 16,000’ fall. Look for Apple ads soon.
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Had three separate warnings!
Alaska Airlines' decision not to ground Boeing jet despite warning signs comes under scrutiny
The decision by Alaska Airlines to stop flying one of its planes due to warnings — yet keep flying it over land — is raising questions.
Boeing. Lack of quality control. Alaska and United order them without the door and this is how Boeing delivers them.
Absolutely - dailybuck77.
I will check it out. I hate to say it, but I fear some DEI could have leached into the system. There is no margin for anything but the best - the very best.
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To be clear, the aircraft in question was dispatched with a pressurization issue unrelated to the plug failure. The 737 has three, independent , pressurization controllers; two automatic and one manual. If one automatic controller fails, the aircraft may, and frequently will be, dispatched with one operable auto controller.
Not so sure. The plane had three different warnings. It appears they never figured out the full cause. Perhaps that plug was leaking and they never discovered it.
Leg room is determined by the carrier as they order specific layouts. They minimize leg room to get maximum passenger capacity.
True...but there are subtle differences in the Boeing and Airbus interiors that force differences from model to model. I preface this to say that almost all of my experience is on United and not the other carriers.
The plug may very well have been leaking, but the pressurization controller is unrelated.
Unfortunately, the 737 program is not “new”. Boeing, in large part due to pressure by Southwest Airlines, hasn’t had a cleansheet, narrow body redesign in decades. The result is the 737Max which is indeed a disaster. Ironically enough, Boeing is currently trying to gloss over issues with the 737-700max deicing system. Southwest has hundreds of these on order.
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I agree with you, but what Boeing elected to do was keep the original basic design, stretch the fuselage, change he position of the engines, add software to correct pitch issue, lengthen the nose gear etc.
I don’t know the details of this specific situation and would caution anyone to await the facts (hint: media hype is not the facts)z
I have worked with the Spirit folks for many years - terrific company. But not in last 8 years - so certainly things could have gone down hill.One of the experts cited in the harrowing article linked below believes the evidence points toward a "quality-control issue" at the Kansas company where the fuselage is manufactured.
It's very fortunate somebody wasn't horrifically killed when the plane suddenly depressurized. The vacuum created was strong enough to suck a passenger's shirt right off his back.
Anyway, the company in question, Spirit AeroSystems, was found to be responsible for a "stream of various defects" in the MAX fuselages it built in 2023...leading to the firing of the company's CEO.
Spirit Aerosystems is all in on DEI...as are many companies these days. To be clear, there is zero evidence of a connection between the company's enthusiasm for DEI and the incident in question...and nobody will be in a hurry to find such a connection.
Still, when you're hiring or promoting for anything other than excellence and competence, you're asking for trouble...especially in businesses and professions where lives are on the line.
Boeing 737 MAX 9s grounded after Alaska Airlines in-flight blowout
An emergency aboard Alaska Airlines Flight 1282 may have long-lasting implications for 737 MAX maker Boeing, as well as Alaska.
It’s more than a loser of money. It can be a loser of competence and reputation for airlines. If you’re hiring based upon skin color and sexuality it’s fair to question if proper attention is being placed on high priority issues such as safety.
The problem is that a standard of “most do just fine” will get people killed when flying an airplane. Competence has to be the only standard in that situation.
OK...but there is no evidence that this has been caused by these programs nor is there any evidence that it has eroded safety. I have a friend who flies 777's for United and another that flies 737s for SW. Both are concerned about their company's initiatives (due to costs and overhead) but have told me that they won't be flying planes if they don't pass several checkpoints. No way that these airlines are going to risk millions in equipment and billions in shareholder value plus hundreds of lives.
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fair enough. I just felt the thread had gone off the rails. There are those that don't appreciate it and that is why there are robust conversations on such things on the other board.Point taken, Obli, and I said in my initial post above that there is no evidence to draw a connection between the DEI programs of these companies -- by the way, Spirit AeroSpace's is quite robust...see the company video embedded in the link below -- and the incident in question.
And nobody, least of all the government, would have any interest in finding such a connection, were one to exist.
That said, bigger picture, there is considerable evidence that over-the-top DEI initiatives throughout the business, professional, and academic world, to include professions where lives are on the line, wrongly prioritize DEI considerations over the standards of qualification, experience, and competence that once prevailed back when the world was sane.
Therefore, it is by no means crazy or out of bounds to have some concerns about all this and wonder about the possibly wide range of impacts of these programs...to include impacts that the media has no interest in exploring.
The hard fact is, the mindless and constant mantra that "diversity is our strength" is going to get somebody killed one day...and probably already has.
Diversity, Equity & Inclusion | Spirit AeroSystems
Spirit is actively working to build an inclusive culture, where all employees' diverse skills and talents are valued. Learn more about our goals and initiatives.
