More Good News - China demonstrates nuclear capable low orbit vehicle.

PSUEngineer89

Well-Known Member
Aug 14, 2021
1,494
2,025
1
Think about it guys.

We had a huge lead on China 30 years ago. They were barely coming out of abject poverty at that time.

Now, they're flying right past us.

Isn't anyone worried?

Lots of people should start thinking about their kids and grandkids.

China won't be the benevolent world leader the USA was for decades.

They'll be like all communist regimes - oppressive, brutal, and totalitarian.

We had better straighten up, discard everything we did in the last 30/40 years, and go back to the American principles that we demonstrated in 1950 or 1960.
 
  • Like
  • Haha
Reactions: Cosmos and NJPSU

NJPSU

Well-Known Member
May 29, 2001
39,300
13,475
1
Think about it guys.

We had a huge lead on China 30 years ago. They were barely coming out of abject poverty at that time.

Now, they're flying right past us.

Isn't anyone worried?

Lots of people should start thinking about their kids and grandkids.

China won't be the benevolent world leader the USA was for decades.

They'll be like all communist regimes - oppressive, brutal, and totalitarian.

We had better straighten up, discard everything we did in the last 30/40 years, and go back to the American principles that we demonstrated in 1950 or 1960.
What are you worried about? Do you think China is going to conquer and occupy the United States? Laughable.
 

PSUEngineer89

Well-Known Member
Aug 14, 2021
1,494
2,025
1
I'm not worried. Just a bit more diversity and we'll be good.
That shows how pathetic our leadership has been - how easily the gave it away.

We have truly been betrayed by our deep state leadership class for over 30 years.

Terrible people.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Jerry

rumble_lion

Well-Known Member
Aug 7, 2011
20,307
4,634
1
Think about it guys.

We had a huge lead on China 30 years ago. They were barely coming out of abject poverty at that time.

Now, they're flying right past us.

Isn't anyone worried?

Lots of people should start thinking about their kids and grandkids.

China won't be the benevolent world leader the USA was for decades.

They'll be like all communist regimes - oppressive, brutal, and totalitarian.

We had better straighten up, discard everything we did in the last 30/40 years, and go back to the American principles that we demonstrated in 1950 or 1960.

Thank goodness Spacex is a US based company.

Boeing is shell of what is was 30 years ago. The accountants and MBA's have hollowed it out. But hey at least the shareholders made out ok.
 
  • Like
Reactions: PSUEngineer89

rumble_lion

Well-Known Member
Aug 7, 2011
20,307
4,634
1
Thank goodness Spacex is a US based company.

Boeing is shell of what is was 30 years ago. The accountants and MBA's have hollowed it out. But hey at least the shareholders made out ok.

Oops forgot another US based space company, Blue Origin. I know they haven't really done much but Bezos is willing to fund them at 1 billion dollars a year apparently forever.
 

PSUEngineer89

Well-Known Member
Aug 14, 2021
1,494
2,025
1
Thank goodness Spacex is a US based company.

Boeing is shell of what is was 30 years ago. The accountants and MBA's have hollowed it out. But hey at least the shareholders made out ok.
Wow, we agree.

But don't delude yourself - accountants and MBAs and HR "professionals" are all a part of the sheeple/wokeists that have ruined us.

No good engineer can accept bullshit like we've been fed.
 
  • Like
Reactions: The Spin Meister

The Spin Meister

Well-Known Member
Nov 27, 2012
19,437
20,179
1
An altered state
Think about it guys.

We had a huge lead on China 30 years ago. They were barely coming out of abject poverty at that time.

Now, they're flying right past us.

Isn't anyone worried?

Lots of people should start thinking about their kids and grandkids.

China won't be the benevolent world leader the USA was for decades.

They'll be like all communist regimes - oppressive, brutal, and totalitarian.

We had better straighten up, discard everything we did in the last 30/40 years, and go back to the American principles that we demonstrated in 1950 or 1960.
And little jersey boy thinks it is funny.........🥴
 

crazyivan77

Well-Known Member
Dec 7, 2007
12,275
12,929
1
What are you worried about? Do you think China is going to conquer and occupy the United States? Laughable.

No, but while libs worry about pronouns and critical race theory in schools, the Chinese will dominate us in math & technology, and in turn run the world of tomorrow.

FB2azLkXEAAzcor
 

NJPSU

Well-Known Member
May 29, 2001
39,300
13,475
1
No, but while libs worry about pronouns and critical race theory in schools, the Chinese will dominate us in math & technology, and in turn run the world of tomorrow.

FB2azLkXEAAzcor
You guys spent years on this board preaching how communism and socialism has failed everywhere it has been tried but now you want to sell the idea that a Communist country is going to take over the world.

Hmmm……
 

KnightWhoSaysNit

Well-Known Member
Jul 19, 2010
6,815
5,451
1
Don't worry. Neither the Chinese nor any other human government is going to get away with firing nuclear missiles.

This has been known for more than a half century.

The aliens will not stand for human destruction of the earth.

They can disable our nuclear launch systems and even somehow know where our fighters are heading.

The Chinese just sent them a message. "Hey, it's time to monitor us too."
 

The Spin Meister

Well-Known Member
Nov 27, 2012
19,437
20,179
1
An altered state
Don't worry. Neither the Chinese nor any other human government is going to get away with firing nuclear missiles.

This has been known for more than a half century.

The aliens will not stand for human destruction of the earth.

They can disable our nuclear launch systems and even somehow know where our fighters are heading.

The Chinese just sent them a message. "Hey, it's time to monitor us too."
Good point. The aliens planted us here as future food sources for their next trip through. Can’t have us destroying their crop!
 

Hotshoe

Well-Known Member
Gold Member
Feb 15, 2012
20,689
33,262
1
You guys spent years on this board preaching how communism and socialism has failed everywhere it has been tried but now you want to sell the idea that a Communist country is going to take over the world.

Hmmm……
You don't get it. It's failed because of human atrocities and lack of liberty. It has always failed because eventually, people get tired of being oppressed. To think China couldn't massively expand it's might and cause the fall of many nations, is beyond ignorant and nieve. Germany just did it 80 years ago.
 
  • Like
Reactions: jjw165

BUFFALO LION

Well-Known Member
Oct 4, 2001
12,072
5,225
1
What are you worried about? Do you think China is going to conquer and occupy the United States? Laughable.

Yep. They’ve already run the prototype with COVID.

Two years ago, we were kicking their a$$es economically, and Trump was stealing their lunch money. Then…poof….COVID happened. Everything took a 180, the Chinese were able to get rid of Trump, and a puppet regime was installed (Biden/Harris) that is giving them everything they want.

They are currently collecting DNA from countries all over the world. Reports are that they are in the process of developing ethnically targeted blow weapons directed at specific races to be used in the event of a potential military confrontation, resulting in no need for a Chinese physical invasion or takeover.

Just unleash a deadly virus targeting only Caucasians and Blacks, and as we have proven with COVID, we are toast.
 

Cosmos

Well-Known Member
May 29, 2001
25,449
17,939
1
You guys spent years on this board preaching how communism and socialism has failed everywhere it has been tried but now you want to sell the idea that a Communist country is going to take over the world.

Hmmm……

My God, you really are dumb as a post!
 

crazyivan77

Well-Known Member
Dec 7, 2007
12,275
12,929
1
You guys spent years on this board preaching how communism and socialism has failed everywhere it has been tried but now you want to sell the idea that a Communist country is going to take over the world.

Hmmm……

China doesn’t need to “take over” the world to control it. Their middle class is larger than the entire population of the US. They don’t want our land, they want our money and blind ignorance.

Your comment is ill-educated on its face, essentially saying “hey, Nazism eventually failed- the system worked”. Communism and socialism have always failed, but not without millions of lives lost. They fail more rapidly when there is a countering force, in the twentieth century it was the US. But now libs are completely consumed with fake social temper tantrums, not the fact that one in four urban kids won’t graduate high school or in the city of Baltimore, not ONE student was deemed proficient in math to National standards in 13 high schools.

FB2bFfFXsA89zAW
 
  • Like
Reactions: PSUEngineer89

NJPSU

Well-Known Member
May 29, 2001
39,300
13,475
1
China doesn’t need to “take over” the world to control it. Their middle class is larger than the entire population of the US. They don’t want our land, they want our money and blind ignorance.

Your comment is ill-educated on its face, essentially saying “hey, Nazism eventually failed- the system worked”. Communism and socialism have always failed, but not without millions of lives lost. They fail more rapidly when there is a countering force, in the twentieth century it was the US. But now libs are completely consumed with fake social temper tantrums, not the fact that one in four urban kids won’t graduate high school or in the city of Baltimore, not ONE student was deemed proficient in math to National standards in 13 high schools.

FB2bFfFXsA89zAW
So yeah, you are predicting a Country with Communist economic system will take over and control the global economy. This after you guys spent decades on this board telling me how Communism is always an economic disaster.

It’s Hilarious the amount of mental gymnastics it takes to follow right wing dogma these days.
 

The Spin Meister

Well-Known Member
Nov 27, 2012
19,437
20,179
1
An altered state
You don't get it. It's failed because of human atrocities and lack of liberty. It has always failed because eventually, people get tired of being oppressed. To think China couldn't massively expand it's might and cause the fall of many nations, is beyond ignorant and nieve. Germany just did it 80 years ago.
There is only one reason that the Chicom system hasn’t failed yet.....the United States. The only reason for China being so strong is that we foolishly exported most of our jobs to China, most of our technology, much of our financial structure, and more. That caused an economic boom they never would have seen without us and kept their corrupt system going.

And that is also true of the socialist European Union. As soon as the US collapses, the rest of the world collapses. And looking around.....that time is coming sooner than even I thought possible.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Hotshoe

crazyivan77

Well-Known Member
Dec 7, 2007
12,275
12,929
1
So yeah, you are predicting a Country with Communist economic system will take over and control the global economy. This after you guys spent decades on this board telling me how Communism is always an economic disaster.

It’s Hilarious the amount of mental gymnastics it takes to follow right wing dogma these days.


Ha! China has an arguably capitalistic economic system with a Communist government overlay.
You can argue Xi is more recently trying to bring it back to communist foundational principles, but the rise of China is directly related to expansion free enterprise and ascension of the Chinese middle class since their economic reforms of the late 70s.
 

PSUEngineer89

Well-Known Member
Aug 14, 2021
1,494
2,025
1
Ha! China has an arguably capitalistic economic system with a Communist government overlay.
You can argue Xi is more recently trying to bring it back to communist foundational principles, but the rise of China is directly related to expansion free enterprise and ascension of the Chinese middle class since their economic reforms of the late 70s.
Two things.

1. That's probably correct - what you wrote.
2. Jersey doesn't even care. He just bleats the democrat talking point.
 

KnightWhoSaysNit

Well-Known Member
Jul 19, 2010
6,815
5,451
1
There is only one reason that the Chicom system hasn’t failed yet.....the United States. The only reason for China being so strong is that we foolishly exported most of our jobs to China, most of our technology, much of our financial structure, and more. That caused an economic boom they never would have seen without us and kept their corrupt system going.

And that is also true of the socialist European Union. As soon as the US collapses, the rest of the world collapses. And looking around.....that time is coming sooner than even I thought possible.

The first paragraph is a pretty good post. We consumed their goods as they built the factories. Now we have goods that wear out and need replaced while they have the factories. They actually overdid it -- to the point of building real estate they don't immediately need. Now guess who is screwed?

I am not convinced that the world collapses if the USA collapses, unless it is believed that the world cannot go on without food produced in the USA. Otherwise, true wealth is the ability to produce. I would take infrastructure with factories before I would take large homes filled with cheap Chinese goods.

This is why the elites are aligning with China. That is where they see money being made. It won't be made building roads in the USA.
 

The Spin Meister

Well-Known Member
Nov 27, 2012
19,437
20,179
1
An altered state
The first paragraph is a pretty good post. We consumed their goods as they built the factories. Now we have goods that wear out and need replaced while they have the factories. They actually overdid it -- to the point of building real estate they don't immediately need. Now guess who is screwed?

I am not convinced that the world collapses if the USA collapses, unless it is believed that the world cannot go on without food produced in the USA. Otherwise, true wealth is the ability to produce. I would take infrastructure with factories before I would take large homes filled with cheap Chinese goods.

This is why the elites are aligning with China. That is where they see money being made. It won't be made building roads in the USA.
It is the massive flows of jobs and money from the US to Europe and China that have enabled those bloated bureaucracies to survive. When it stops they will collapse a decade or so later.
 

KnightWhoSaysNit

Well-Known Member
Jul 19, 2010
6,815
5,451
1
It is the massive flows of jobs and money from the US to Europe and China that have enabled those bloated bureaucracies to survive. When it stops they will collapse a decade or so later.

Guess it depends on how one defines "collapse." Europe and China will descend into oppressive, totalitarian societies for sure. Living standards will go down unless some sort of true invention materializes.

With centralized, high tech weaponry, and modern surveillance, the oppression can go on much longer than it did in the past, when armed rebellion could truly threaten a central government. Resistance will be futile.

This is why @NJPSU is clueless and cannot understand, or does not want to understand, our disdain for fascist and communist systems. Those systems invariably hurt people, but are now more sustainable than ever, especially as "globalism" centralizes power and control. Proof is that NJ would even vote for such systems, right up to the day that he becomes the next victim.
 
  • Like
Reactions: The Spin Meister

The Spin Meister

Well-Known Member
Nov 27, 2012
19,437
20,179
1
An altered state
Guess it depends on how one defines "collapse." Europe and China will descend into oppressive, totalitarian societies for sure. Living standards will go down unless some sort of true invention materializes.

With centralized, high tech weaponry, and modern surveillance, the oppression can go on much longer than it did in the past, when armed rebellion could truly threaten a central government. Resistance will be futile.

This is why @NJPSU is clueless and cannot understand, or does not want to understand, our disdain for fascist and communist systems. Those systems invariably hurt people, but are now more sustainable than ever, especially as "globalism" centralizes power and control. Proof is that NJ would even vote for such systems, right up to the day that he becomes the next victim.
Collapse = Venezuela
 
  • Like
Reactions: Hotshoe

Hotshoe

Well-Known Member
Gold Member
Feb 15, 2012
20,689
33,262
1
There is only one reason that the Chicom system hasn’t failed yet.....the United States. The only reason for China being so strong is that we foolishly exported most of our jobs to China, most of our technology, much of our financial structure, and more. That caused an economic boom they never would have seen without us and kept their corrupt system going.

And that is also true of the socialist European Union. As soon as the US collapses, the rest of the world collapses. And looking around.....that time is coming sooner than even I thought possible.
Why I've always found John Stossel fos regarding America being a service country, a good thing.
 

KnightWhoSaysNit

Well-Known Member
Jul 19, 2010
6,815
5,451
1
Collapse = Venezuela

Venezuela is a failed socialist state. Its people are still able to leave. And they do, because there are better alternatives, for now.

We cite Venezuela as an example of the destruction of socialism.

We cite the former USSR or North Korea as examples of failed totalitarian communism.

China right now is some sort of hybrid, emboldened when Nixon said we need to trade with them. China doesn't have food and energy to support their population growth. They will either attempt to invade, or kill off populations. This could include their own people. A virus might work. We have recently learned of their bioweapon research expected to kill based on genetics (race). And of course there is the muscle flexing -- military jet flyovers and new, high altitude missiles.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Hotshoe

Hotshoe

Well-Known Member
Gold Member
Feb 15, 2012
20,689
33,262
1
Venezuela, the richest country in South America, now a complete sh&thole and dangerous place to live. All due to Socialism and government takeover. There is no disputing this fact. Socialism kills freedoms.
 

The Spin Meister

Well-Known Member
Nov 27, 2012
19,437
20,179
1
An altered state
Venezuela is a failed socialist state. Its people are still able to leave. And they do, because there are better alternatives, for now.

We cite Venezuela as an example of the destruction of socialism.

We cite the former USSR or North Korea as examples of failed totalitarian communism.

China right now is some sort of hybrid, emboldened when Nixon said we need to trade with them. China doesn't have food and energy to support their population growth. They will either attempt to invade, or kill off populations. This could include their own people. A virus might work. We have recently learned of their bioweapon research expected to kill based on genetics (race). And of course there is the muscle flexing -- military jet flyovers and new, high altitude missiles.
If the US collapses so will the massive agricultural business model. And energy production will collapse. The result will be massive starvation, global violence as people revolt and nations go to war over critical resources. It will be the Medieval Dark Ages.
 

KnightWhoSaysNit

Well-Known Member
Jul 19, 2010
6,815
5,451
1
If the US collapses so will the massive agricultural business model. And energy production will collapse. The result will be massive starvation, global violence as people revolt and nations go to war over critical resources. It will be the Medieval Dark Ages.

So you are saying that the USA feeds a great deal of the world? Honestly, this is one part of economics that I haven't studied that much.

I guess the way I see it, with powerful weapons and new methods of surveillance, massive starvation can occur globally and we might not necessarily have war.

This is actually the new globalist vision. Imagine North Korea on a global scale. The only way out will be on a space ship.

(And I would bet money that some of the most powerful elites already envision this path.)
 

The Spin Meister

Well-Known Member
Nov 27, 2012
19,437
20,179
1
An altered state
So you are saying that the USA feeds a great deal of the world? Honestly, this is one part of economics that I haven't studied that much.

I guess the way I see it, with powerful weapons and new methods of surveillance, massive starvation can occur globally and we might not necessarily have war.

This is actually the new globalist vision. Imagine North Korea on a global scale. The only way out will be on a space ship.

(And I would bet money that some of the most powerful elites already envision this path.)
US lead in corn, wheat, and soybeans.... a lot. Also lots of pork and beef.
Commodity Leading country % of Global Exports

Corn
United States
26% ($7.6 billion)

Fish
China
9.2% ($6.6 billion)
Palm OilIndonesia51% ($10.4 billion)
RiceThailand34.5% ($6 billion)
SoybeansUnited States50.5% ($16.5 billion)

Wheat
United States
 
  • Like
Reactions: PSUEngineer89