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30 for 30...espn...tonite at 730. Should be an interesting watch.
30 for 30...espn...tonite at 730. Should be an interesting watch.
Or lucky to have been around at a time when it was more socially acceptable to treat your players like shit as long as you won.Great coach! Great molder of men. Early victim of PC madness.
Great coach! Great molder of men. Early victim of PC madness.
Or lucky to have been around at a time when it was more socially acceptable to treat your players like shit as long as you won.
Or lucky to have been around at a time when it was more socially acceptable to treat your players like shit as long as you won.
I read that 98% of his 4 year players graduated. Doesn't mean he wasn't an arse but that should count for something.Or lucky to have been around at a time when it was more socially acceptable to treat your players like shit as long as you won.
I saw him speak at Eisenhower as a part of the PSU distinguished speaker series. He is very charismatic and funny, and an asshole at the same time. It was well worth the price of admission.
Great coach! Great molder of men. Early victim of PC madness.
So as long as he won, everything he did was okay...got it.You don't understand why his teams won.
It counts for something but pales in comparison to mistreating your players. I’m sure he could have gotten his players to graduate without the God complex.I read that 98% of his 4 year players graduated. Doesn't mean he wasn't an arse but that should count for something.
His players loved him.It counts for something but pales in comparison to mistreating your players. I’m sure he could have gotten his players to graduate without the God complex.
All of them?
Knight and Paterno were very similar for much of their careers. Both graduated players, both did not cheat, both demanded excellence in fundamentals and playing the game the right way.Does every soldier love the drill sergeant who gave him the skills to survive in battle?
BK was very much like JVP in this regard. I'd say the ratio between those who love BK and those who didn't is likely comparable.
Do the youngsters on this board know that Joe and Knight were friends and that Knight came close to coaching here while he was still coaching at Westpoint?
Does every soldier love the drill sergeant who gave him the skills to survive in battle?
BK was very much like JVP in this regard. I'd say the ratio between those who love BK and those who didn't is likely comparable.
Do the youngsters on this board know that Joe and Knight were friends and that Knight came close to coaching here while he was still coaching at Westpoint?
Some did, some didn’t. I’ll bet a lot more disliked him and kept quiet though, especially later in his career. If you’re losing some of your best players, you’re doing something wrong.His players loved him.
why did Bobby Knight throw a chair across the court?
what happened to make him so mad?
To get it to the other side?why did Bobby Knight throw a chair across the court?
Knight and Paterno were very similar for much of their careers. Both graduated players, both did not cheat, both demanded excellence in fundamentals and playing the game the right way.
Early in Paterno's career, he also was a mean SOB with a temper and could be quite petty disciplining his players. People need to read Posnanski's book. Two big differences:
1. Never heard any stories of Paterno being physically abusive
2. Paterno grew out of being the petty disciplinarian.
I think both of them show what happens when coaches hang around or are allowed to hang around too long. Their coaching style was very common for their time. Wooden was one of the few who did not fit that style from that period.
Does every soldier love the drill sergeant who gave him the skills to survive in battle?
Could you please cite some examples of Paterno's petty discipline and thank you for providing the links to them.
I’m not the one who issued the blanket proclamation of “his players loved him” ...... nor a fan of silly strawman tangents to topics.
Personally, I couldn’t care less whether JVP and BKnight were BFFs, or sworn blood-enemies...... and I surely would have no knowledge as to JVP’s heartfelt opinions of BKnight (and I doubt if many folks would). Why would anyone care?
Some of the urban legends as to “who JVP was friends with”, would make one think JVP either had very indiscriminate tastes in such regards - - - - or that many of those urban legends are as bonafide as a Three-Dollar Bill.
This was basketball, not war.....
Read Posnanski's book, particularly the parts about Don Abbey. Paterno went out of his way to humiliate him.Could you please cite some examples of Paterno's petty discipline and thank you for providing the links to them.
Could you please cite some examples of Paterno's petty discipline and thank you for providing the links to them.
30 for 30...espn...tonite at 730. Should be an interesting watch.
why did Bobby Knight throw a chair across the court?
what happened to make him so mad?
Read Posnanski's book, particularly the parts about Don Abbey. Paterno went out of his way to humiliate him.
There were quite a few players who could not stand Paterno when they were at PSU, their views changed about him later on. Before Joe got old, he was no picnic to play for.
OK..... IDK if they were "friends" or not (or even WTF that nebulous term means in this context)… but, let's say they were "friends".....
Who the F cares? And what does any of it have to do with the topic at hand?
[Spoiler: That is - obviously , I would hope - a rhetorical question]
At times Joe could be a condescending prick in his latter years, especially towards the media. In fact, I'm of the belief this helped lead to his downfall (i.e. these same reporters published hundreds of articles where they twisted his "With the benefit of hindsight..." statement into an admission of guilt).
That said, IMHO it is grossly unfair comparing the way Joe treated people to how Bobby Knight treated people. Joe was an egomaniac who at times could be grumpy, rude and condescending. Knight, on the other hand, was a foul-mouthed boorish bully megalomaniac whose monstrous behavior is simply the not acceptable anywhere in a civilized society.