GoT, S7E6
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I'd say she went a little heavy on the mascara and eyeliner. Looks a bit like an oversized raccoon.
Well, we know he isn't the undead Christian Hackenberg!
Hey-oh!
Yeah, that is another thing so stupid about the plot line.
Jon could at least have had enough weapons made for the Seven; he had the dragonglass; he had a weapons craftsman; instead they hurry off w/o any.
Take a closer look at the weapons. Jorah and the Hound had dragonglass daggers. Tormund had a dragonglass axe. Jon had Valyrian steel. Thoros and Beric had flaming swords. The redshirts had dragonglass tipped Spears. This detail was not overlooked.
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No fault of yours. The easter eggs and key plot elements hidden in plain sight but not blatantly advertised are one of things that has and always will make this show great. It's one of the things I enjoy the most.
I agree and don't think its a coincidence that these convenient saves etc began soon after the show moved past the books. TV writers may just have a different mentality when writing.
Just a side note I thought some of you may be interested in. When Twyin was skinny this stag, it was actually a real one. They mentioned it on one of those after the show pieces
I agree to an extent on the chains being around was convenient. I was shaking my head for a day or so on that. However....
...no one, myself included, ever wondered how the giants git a big chain to try and rip the doors of Castle Black back in season four.
...no one, myself included, ever wondered how the giants git a big chain to try and rip the doors of Castle Black back in season four.
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True, but they brought the chains because they had a plan. Did they plan to raise a dragon from the lake so they brought the chains?
I guess we don't know the timeline. Was it a week later after they went and got the chains? It seemed immediate, which made it dumb.
The Ringer has done a better job expressing my disappointments with this season:
Regarding last episode's fight w/ the wights:
"Let’s start with the setup for that battle, which strained credulity even before its plot-serving purpose became nakedly obvious. In order to fully invest in a conflict, it’s necessary to understand and believe in what’s at stake for both sides. That’s what made “The Spoils of War” such remarkable television: not the spectacle of the fighting itself, per se, but our sympathy for the combatants and comprehension of the circumstances that put them at odds. “Beyond the Wall” goes the opposite direction: I don’t believe that bringing a wight to Cersei would persuade her to lend Jon her support; I don’t believe Dany would be so casual about her prospective ally and love interest turning to her direct competition for help; and, most importantly, I don’t believe so many people would uncritically accept this convoluted scheme as a good idea. Before the credits even began, then, I was immediately less engaged with the events of “Beyond the Wall” than I have been with other Thrones face-offs, largely because the story was conspicuously short on the internal logic Thrones prides itself on.
But “Beyond the Wall” is short on a much more basic form of internal cohesion as well: the logistical kind. Benioff and Weiss have played notoriously fast and loose with information flow and travel times all season long. This episode, however, exaggerates that hand-waving to an almost preposterous degree. Though it’s not exactly clear how much time Jon’s raiding party spends trapped on the rock surrounded by the wight army (several hours? several days?), it doesn’t feel like nearly enough for Gendry to run all the way back to the Wall, the maester in residence to send a raven, Daenerys to receive said raven, and the dragons to fly all the way from Dragonstone to Jon and friends’ precise location—just in time to rescue every character of importance with zero major human fatalities. (Sorry, Thoros, but you don’t exactly count.)"
On last episode:
"1. What is your tweet-length review of “Beyond the Wall”?
Mallory Rubin: I don’t want to write a tweet-length review because I don’t want to encourage the belief that rushed exposition makes for good storytelling.
Alyssa Bereznak: Incredulously stupid suicide missions beyond the Wall sow incredulously bad GOT episodes.
Andrew Gruttadaro: Thirty seconds after the episode: “That was fun!”
Sixty seconds after the episode: “Man, that was rough.”
Ben Lindbergh: For the first time, Game of Thrones feels as dumb as any other big-budget CGI spectacle.
Juliet Litman: This was among the worst episodes of this otherwise excellent show because the entire premise was absurd."
And;
3. What was your least favorite part?
Bereznak: Tyrion’s conversation with Dany. It reminded me that Tyrion, who was once a freewheeling delight of a character, is now just a bland voice of reason who is supposedly responsible for keeping an ill-tempered queen under control. I miss the drunk, womanizing Tyrion of the past. At least he always had jokes.
(Also, while we weren’t watching, raven technology was vastly improved and a messenger bird can now apparently travel at the speed of a single tweet.)
Baker: I could pretty much deal with a far-too-conveniently-timed appearance by one fire-wielding beast, but layering Benjen Stark's arrival on top of that was a bit much. Also, I was kind of hoping Jon Snow would stay dead?
Gruttadaro: It says a lot about the Arya-Sansa plot turn that amidst all of the absurdity north of the Wall, the Arya-Sansa plot turn was the only thing that made me yell at my television.
Rubin: Every line Arya uttered. I used to laugh at the “Arya is really the Waif!” and “Arya is really Jaqen” theories, but now I kind of, sort of (OK, not really, but still) want them to be right, because either twist would feel less befuddling than Arya, an expert character study who’s literally been trained to sniff out deception, not being able to tell that Sansa’s being truthful. I hope that Arya’s playing some sort of long game and hasn’t really morphed from one of the most compelling characters in literary history into a cartoon villain, but even then: Play it with Littlefinger, not your sister.
Litman: Among all of the daft aspects of the episode, the sloppy development of Arya was in sharpest relief. I have so many questions: Wouldn’t her training in Braavos have taught her to not let her sociopathic tendencies become apparent? Shouldn’t she know that Littlefinger was setting her up? Have her own memories of Ned’s beheading dissolved so that she has forgotten Sansa’s own hysterics? Is it really wise to transport the faces in a random briefcase?
Kram: Amid the mishmash of mishegas that transpired beyond the Wall, the most annoying moment was Benjen showing up for another 54 seconds of screentime—I counted—before dying. Rhaegal rescuing Jon would have combined symbolism with fantasy-genre wonder; instead, the show offered "Hey! I know that guy!" fan service as a pure plot device.
Lindbergh: Benjen saying “There’s no time!” and making a pointless last stand. No time to … get on a horse?"
Regarding last episode's fight w/ the wights:
"Let’s start with the setup for that battle, which strained credulity even before its plot-serving purpose became nakedly obvious. In order to fully invest in a conflict, it’s necessary to understand and believe in what’s at stake for both sides. That’s what made “The Spoils of War” such remarkable television: not the spectacle of the fighting itself, per se, but our sympathy for the combatants and comprehension of the circumstances that put them at odds. “Beyond the Wall” goes the opposite direction: I don’t believe that bringing a wight to Cersei would persuade her to lend Jon her support; I don’t believe Dany would be so casual about her prospective ally and love interest turning to her direct competition for help; and, most importantly, I don’t believe so many people would uncritically accept this convoluted scheme as a good idea. Before the credits even began, then, I was immediately less engaged with the events of “Beyond the Wall” than I have been with other Thrones face-offs, largely because the story was conspicuously short on the internal logic Thrones prides itself on.
But “Beyond the Wall” is short on a much more basic form of internal cohesion as well: the logistical kind. Benioff and Weiss have played notoriously fast and loose with information flow and travel times all season long. This episode, however, exaggerates that hand-waving to an almost preposterous degree. Though it’s not exactly clear how much time Jon’s raiding party spends trapped on the rock surrounded by the wight army (several hours? several days?), it doesn’t feel like nearly enough for Gendry to run all the way back to the Wall, the maester in residence to send a raven, Daenerys to receive said raven, and the dragons to fly all the way from Dragonstone to Jon and friends’ precise location—just in time to rescue every character of importance with zero major human fatalities. (Sorry, Thoros, but you don’t exactly count.)"
On last episode:
"1. What is your tweet-length review of “Beyond the Wall”?
Mallory Rubin: I don’t want to write a tweet-length review because I don’t want to encourage the belief that rushed exposition makes for good storytelling.
Alyssa Bereznak: Incredulously stupid suicide missions beyond the Wall sow incredulously bad GOT episodes.
Andrew Gruttadaro: Thirty seconds after the episode: “That was fun!”
Sixty seconds after the episode: “Man, that was rough.”
Ben Lindbergh: For the first time, Game of Thrones feels as dumb as any other big-budget CGI spectacle.
Juliet Litman: This was among the worst episodes of this otherwise excellent show because the entire premise was absurd."
And;
3. What was your least favorite part?
Bereznak: Tyrion’s conversation with Dany. It reminded me that Tyrion, who was once a freewheeling delight of a character, is now just a bland voice of reason who is supposedly responsible for keeping an ill-tempered queen under control. I miss the drunk, womanizing Tyrion of the past. At least he always had jokes.
(Also, while we weren’t watching, raven technology was vastly improved and a messenger bird can now apparently travel at the speed of a single tweet.)
Baker: I could pretty much deal with a far-too-conveniently-timed appearance by one fire-wielding beast, but layering Benjen Stark's arrival on top of that was a bit much. Also, I was kind of hoping Jon Snow would stay dead?
Gruttadaro: It says a lot about the Arya-Sansa plot turn that amidst all of the absurdity north of the Wall, the Arya-Sansa plot turn was the only thing that made me yell at my television.
Rubin: Every line Arya uttered. I used to laugh at the “Arya is really the Waif!” and “Arya is really Jaqen” theories, but now I kind of, sort of (OK, not really, but still) want them to be right, because either twist would feel less befuddling than Arya, an expert character study who’s literally been trained to sniff out deception, not being able to tell that Sansa’s being truthful. I hope that Arya’s playing some sort of long game and hasn’t really morphed from one of the most compelling characters in literary history into a cartoon villain, but even then: Play it with Littlefinger, not your sister.
Litman: Among all of the daft aspects of the episode, the sloppy development of Arya was in sharpest relief. I have so many questions: Wouldn’t her training in Braavos have taught her to not let her sociopathic tendencies become apparent? Shouldn’t she know that Littlefinger was setting her up? Have her own memories of Ned’s beheading dissolved so that she has forgotten Sansa’s own hysterics? Is it really wise to transport the faces in a random briefcase?
Kram: Amid the mishmash of mishegas that transpired beyond the Wall, the most annoying moment was Benjen showing up for another 54 seconds of screentime—I counted—before dying. Rhaegal rescuing Jon would have combined symbolism with fantasy-genre wonder; instead, the show offered "Hey! I know that guy!" fan service as a pure plot device.
Lindbergh: Benjen saying “There’s no time!” and making a pointless last stand. No time to … get on a horse?"
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I was thinking that Viseron, who is now dead, would have a connection to Jon, who was also dead, and Jon would be the one turning him from the Night King.
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Great article picking up on certain potential foreshadowing and hints that indicate Arya has everyone fooled.
http://mashable.com/2017/08/24/game...me/?utm_cid=mash-com-fb-ent-link#Dq9jj2PMnmqh
The 7 Kingdoms are on one continent, Westeros. The others are on the continent of Essos. Sotheros is to the, well, south of Essos.
Here's a handy map to follow the action: https://quartermaester.info/
What's the rush? They did not have a way around the wall until now. The dragon will help them get past the wall. If he is an ice dragon he will freeze the sea and let them walk around it. If he is a fire dragon he will melt the wall...
Or Viserion is dead and evil like his namesake, Viserys.
Jon will ride Rheagal, named after his birth father.
27 questions about the last episode
https://www.vox.com/culture/2017/8/...on-7-white-walker-dragon-battle-dumb-no-sense
https://www.vox.com/culture/2017/8/...on-7-white-walker-dragon-battle-dumb-no-sense
