Games of Thrones: Season 7, Episode 2 (spoilers)

[canuckhal]

They weren't kidding when they said the pace would pick up.

1) Danny receives many visitors, perhaps takes bad advice, and will she be a sheep or a dragon after suffering two losses?
2) Jon Snow makes a speech and Sansa finally gets to put her new talents to use.
3) Jedorah is in bad shape. Sam somehow keeps doing things without getting caught.
4) Arya finally learns some news and changes course, but is no dancer of wolves.
5) Cersei learns of a new weapon and tries to win minds, not hearts, by playing I'm bad, but she's worse routine.
6) Euron gets Cersie her gift and his revenge. Finally the girls fight like girls. Turns out the sand snakes are useless at sea as is Theron. I do hate it when a lesbian love fest is broken up by a fight before it even gets started.
7) Littlefinger comes clean, is rebuffed, and probably has an ace up his sleeve. When the king is away, what will Littlefinger play? After all, if you can't have the mother, why not have the daughter?

Next week should prove interesting. A lot is happening and the dominoes are falling.

 

[LafayetteBear]

Theon. What a pussy. Although I have to admit that Yarra (sp?) would have had her throat cut and Theon might well have lost the duel with Euron had Theon accepted the challenge. Not sure how you survive by jumping overboard, unless you are pretty damn close to the coastline. and can get ashore before dawn breaks.

 

[canuckhal]

Theon. What a pussy. Although I have to admit that Yarra (sp?) would have had her throat cut and Theon might well have lost the due with Euron had Theon accepted the challenge. Not sure how you survive by jumping overboard, unless you are pretty damn close to the coastline. and can get ashore before dawn breaks.

Maybe Gendry will pick him up.

 

[Jakey_John]

Jon Snow seemed to exercise his badassness in this episode too. It'll be interesting to see how he deals with Danny and Tyrion. Similarly it'll be interesting to see what Littlefinger is up to in his absence and if Arya will have anything to say about it.

 

[rudedude]

Theon. What a pussy. Although I have to admit that Yarra (sp?) would have had her throat cut and Theon might well have lost the due with Euron had Theon accepted the challenge. Not sure how you survive by jumping overboard, unless you are pretty damn close to the coastline. and can get ashore before dawn breaks.

You mean eunuch, don't you. A lot of them running around on this show!

 

[Talpsu]

So did Euron kill Yara? Id assume so but I would think they'd show it. Initially I thought it was her hanging from the boat but I think it was two of the sand snake sisters

 

[anon_xdc8rmuek44eq]

My patience is wearing thin with Tyrion and his ultra-convoluted war strategy. Sure - we have the biggest, baddest, and best army in the world and could take Westeros/King's Landing in an afternoon, but nah - let's go *back* to Dorne and Highgarden, pick up their armies (and leave our fleet vulnerable to a mad pirate who is just itching to kill Yara and Theon) bring them *back* to King's Landing, and go from there. All the while, my dragons, Dothraki, and Unsullied will do a whole lot of nothing. I honestly could not believe that.

Best parts of the night for me were Samwell and Jorah, and Grey Worm and Messandi. Bored to death of Jon and his nightly speeches to Lords and Ladies of the North - drink every time:

- Sansa disagrees with Jon.
- Lady Mormont has a big speech.
- Littlefinger smirks and/or leans against the wall.

Also, Dany calling out Varys was out of place and weird - she's not wrong of course, but maybe question him two years ago? Just an awkward episode overall and I think they're doing whatever they can to make the Lannister's seem formidable (Now we have a super crossbow that can kill a dragon! Really!?). And don't get me started on the worst reunion ever between Nymeria and Arya.....what a wet fart.

 

[canuckhal]

My patience is wearing thin with Tyrion and his ultra-convoluted war strategy. Sure - we have the biggest, baddest, and best army in the world and could take Westeros/King's Landing in an afternoon, but nah - let's go *back* to Dorne and Highgarden, pick up their armies (and leave our fleet vulnerable to a mad pirate who is just itching to kill Yara and Theon) bring them *back* to King's Landing, and go from there. All the while, my dragons, Dothraki, and Unsullied will do a whole lot of nothing. I honestly could not believe that.

Best parts of the night for me were Samwell and Jorah, and Grey Worm and Messandi. Bored to death of Jon and his nightly speeches to Lords and Ladies of the North - drink every time:

- Sansa disagrees with Jon.
- Lady Mormont has a big speech.
- Littlefinger smirks and/or leans against the wall.

Also, Dany calling out Varys was out of place and weird - she's not wrong of course, but maybe question him two years ago? Just an awkward episode overall and I think they're doing whatever they can to make the Lannister's seem formidable (Now we have a super crossbow that can kill a dragon! Really!?). And don't get me started on the worst reunion ever between Nymeria and Arya.....what a wet fart.

That's not you explained. http://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood...-arya-mean-not-you-direwolf-nymeria-stormborn

 

[anon_is9z1n0h3zblb]

Was it known that Ser Jorah was a Mormont prior to this episode?

 

[anon_is9z1n0h3zblb]

My patience is wearing thin with Tyrion and his ultra-convoluted war strategy. Sure - we have the biggest, baddest, and best army in the world and could take Westeros/King's Landing in an afternoon, but nah - let's go *back* to Dorne and Highgarden, pick up their armies (and leave our fleet vulnerable to a mad pirate who is just itching to kill Yara and Theon) bring them *back* to King's Landing, and go from there. All the while, my dragons, Dothraki, and Unsullied will do a whole lot of nothing. I honestly could not believe that.

Best parts of the night for me were Samwell and Jorah, and Grey Worm and Messandi. Bored to death of Jon and his nightly speeches to Lords and Ladies of the North - drink every time:

- Sansa disagrees with Jon.
- Lady Mormont has a big speech.
- Littlefinger smirks and/or leans against the wall.

Also, Dany calling out Varys was out of place and weird - she's not wrong of course, but maybe question him two years ago? Just an awkward episode overall and I think they're doing whatever they can to make the Lannister's seem formidable (Now we have a super crossbow that can kill a dragon! Really!?). And don't get me started on the worst reunion ever between Nymeria and Arya.....what a wet fart.

I would have thought that by now Jon would talk to Sansa about plans, and worked out their disagreements about them, in private.

 

[lionlurker]

Was it known that Ser Jorah was a Mormont prior to this episode?

He was named as such once or twice, as I recall. It was known that his father was the guy in charge of the Wall, and he was Lord Mormont.

 

[anon_is9z1n0h3zblb]

He was named as such once or twice, as I recall. It was known that his father was the guy in charge of the Wall, and he was Lord Mormont.

thanks. I missed that in earlier episodes.

 

[lionlurker]

It probably goes back to the first or second seasons, and they never really elaborated on it much.

 

[tboyer]

1) I suspect things are not going to end well for Yara. Things are really not going to end well for Ellaria Sand. Have to agree I wasn't all that unhappy to see the sand snakes bite the dust - spoiled brats.

2) Tyrion has given some good advice and some terrible advice. The decision to send the fleet south turned out to be terrible advice-- though in fairness no one knew Euron was out there to intercept them. But still, if the unsullied get slaughtered by Lannister army (which will be led by Jamie, who is a very good leader), Danys will be in need of a new Hand.

3) I could see the plot turning Cersei doing something so outrageous that Jamie finally gives up on her. There are no longer children in the relationship. Maybe Jamie decides to help crown Danys which would be an interesting circle for the Kingslayer who only killed the mad king because he was going to do the horrible thing that Cersei actually carried out.

4) Maybe Oleanna will become a more important adviser for Danys. I really cannot tell who I would trust between her and Tyrion. Both of them could lead her astray -- Oleanna because she is a scheming person with her own motives, Tyrion because he is a well intentioned good guy - and we know what happens to good guys on this show.

 

[lionlurker]

In general, things don't end well for anyone in this show.

 

[lionroar88]

The previews for next week make it look like Grey Worm is about to bite it. The Unsullied are trained for open field battle, not close quartered urban warfare (see what happened to them with the harpies).

While I love Tyrion, I am concerned that he got what he hoped for when he broke up Dany's forces. He KNOWS King's Landing, he KNOWS Casterly Rock, and he KNOWS his brother and sister... I'm wondering if there was a meeting of the brothers prior to Tyrion's exit from Kings Landing? Maybe the brothers are MUCH closer than previously known?

 

[canuckhal]

The previews for next week make it look like Grey Worm is about to bite it. The Unsullied are trained for open field battle, not close quartered urban warfare (see what happened to them with the harpies).

While I love Tyrion, I am concerned that he got what he hoped for when he broke up Dany's forces. He KNOWS King's Landing, he KNOWS Casterly Rock, and he KNOWS his brother and sister... I'm wondering if there was a meeting of the brothers prior to Tyrion's exit from Kings Landing? Maybe the brothers are MUCH closer than previously known?

GreyWorm does have fear now. That can't be good. While I see some merits in Tyrion's plan from a political point of view, it is stupid from a tactical point of view, but I guess they are trying to avoid what happened in Mereen.

 

[anon_xdc8rmuek44eq]

That's not you explained. http://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood...-arya-mean-not-you-direwolf-nymeria-stormborn

I read the EW article with the director and actress Maisie Williams - it did nothing for me and was a huge let down. I guess my expectations are through the roof with so few episodes left. I think we'll see Nymeria again - otherwise, that whole sequence was worthless.

 

[anon_xdc8rmuek44eq]

Was it known that Ser Jorah was a Mormont prior to this episode?

Yes - he, his name, and the reason for his exile was mentioned quite a few times.

 

[anon_xdc8rmuek44eq]

The previews for next week make it look like Grey Worm is about to bite it. The Unsullied are trained for open field battle, not close quartered urban warfare (see what happened to them with the harpies).

While I love Tyrion, I am concerned that he got what he hoped for when he broke up Dany's forces. He KNOWS King's Landing, he KNOWS Casterly Rock, and he KNOWS his brother and sister... I'm wondering if there was a meeting of the brothers prior to Tyrion's exit from Kings Landing? Maybe the brothers are MUCH closer than previously known?

The last time Jaime and Tyrion were in King's Landing, Jaime said he was going to kill Tyrion for killing their father. So, doubt there is any collusion here...

 

[anon_xdc8rmuek44eq]

1) I suspect things are not going to end well for Yara. Things are really not going to end well for Ellaria Sand. Have to agree I wasn't all that unhappy to see the sand snakes bite the dust - spoiled brats.

2) Tyrion has given some good advice and some terrible advice. The decision to send the fleet south turned out to be terrible advice-- though in fairness no one knew Euron was out there to intercept them. But still, if the unsullied get slaughtered by Lannister army (which will be led by Jamie, who is a very good leader), Danys will be in need of a new Hand.

3) I could see the plot turning Cersei doing something so outrageous that Jamie finally gives up on her. There are no longer children in the relationship. Maybe Jamie decides to help crown Danys which would be an interesting circle for the Kingslayer who only killed the mad king because he was going to do the horrible thing that Cersei actually carried out.

4) Maybe Oleanna will become a more important adviser for Danys. I really cannot tell who I would trust between her and Tyrion. Both of them could lead her astray -- Oleanna because she is a scheming person with her own motives, Tyrion because he is a well intentioned good guy - and we know what happens to good guys on this show.

Yara and Theon knew Euron was out to get them. They knew he was building a fleet of ships and since becoming King of the Iron Islands, his first priority was to wipe out the legitimate heirs. Euron is crazy as all get out, but he's probably the world's best pirate/sailor. Very, very, very stupid to send Yara and the fleet south for armies when they have a perfectly good one at Dragonstone. Hell - send Drogon and Euron's fleet is ash within an hour.

 

[palmettolion]

I'm sick of Sansa's sh*t. Somebody hurry up and run a sword through her already. She always takes a contrarian position loudly and in public. She should be bright enough by now to realize Cersei's style of ruling is short sighted and gains more enemies, not control.

Speaking of Cersei, I have the feeling her death is going to be as wholly unsatisfying as watching Joffrey die of poisoning.

Dani comes across as arrogant and inexperienced at the same time, like she can't think a few moves ahead. Kudos to the producers as I think it's what they wanted, maybe the unhinged Targaryen side is coming out?

Completely indifferent to the whole Greyjoy/Dorne/Martell situation, it did nothing for me.

Hoping Littlefinger and Robin Arryn can meet a simultaneous death. The fact that everyone knows what Littlefinger is but he manages to still not die is annoying. Do either Sansa or Arya know that it was Littlefinger who held the knife to Ned's throat? Surely Bran does?

After the last few episodes of last season and the first of this season the Hound has become my favorite character.

 

[dbsteel]

My patience is wearing thin with Tyrion and his ultra-convoluted war strategy. Sure - we have the biggest, baddest, and best army in the world and could take Westeros/King's Landing in an afternoon, but nah - let's go *back* to Dorne and Highgarden, pick up their armies (and leave our fleet vulnerable to a mad pirate who is just itching to kill Yara and Theon) bring them *back* to King's Landing, and go from there. All the while, my dragons, Dothraki, and Unsullied will do a whole lot of nothing. I honestly could not believe that.

Best parts of the night for me were Samwell and Jorah, and Grey Worm and Messandi. Bored to death of Jon and his nightly speeches to Lords and Ladies of the North - drink every time:

- Sansa disagrees with Jon.
- Lady Mormont has a big speech.
- Littlefinger smirks and/or leans against the wall.

Also, Dany calling out Varys was out of place and weird - she's not wrong of course, but maybe question him two years ago? Just an awkward episode overall and I think they're doing whatever they can to make the Lannister's seem formidable (Now we have a super crossbow that can kill a dragon! Really!?). And don't get me started on the worst reunion ever between Nymeria and Arya.....what a wet fart.

I agree- isn't this season only 8 episodes, then we need to sit around for another year? Some of the stuff just doesn't make sense.

 

[anon_xdc8rmuek44eq]

I agree- isn't this season only 8 episodes, then we need to sit around for another year? Some of the stuff just doesn't make sense.

I think 13 total - seven this year, and six next year. Some episodes will be 90 minutes long though.

I think the plan is to resolve the Seven Kingdoms by the end of this year, and get to the White Walkers next year.

 

[Talpsu]

I think the plan is to resolve the Seven Kingdoms by the end of this year, and get to the White Walkers next year.

Hmmm that's interesting any idea where you heard or read that?

 

[anon_xdc8rmuek44eq]

Hmmm that's interesting any idea where you heard or read that?

Just speculation based on the dumb, take forever war strategy conceived by Tyrion.

 

[Talpsu]

Not a bad assumption though. I could see it playing out like that. Theres definitely going to be a fight at east watch this season but its not happening next week so basically the season is half over then

 

[KnightSlayer]

Just speculation based on the dumb, take forever war strategy conceived by Tyrion.

I guess you would have wrapped the season up in one episode with the dragons burning everything and everyone. It's weird that you're not a professional writer.

 

[anon_xdc8rmuek44eq]

I guess you would have wrapped the season up in one episode with the dragons burning everything and everyone. It's weird that you're not a professional writer.

After waiting six years to cross the sea with fully grown dragons and a capable army? Damn right. Trying to sell Tyrion's plan to an audience who knows better is insulting. This is stalling for stalling's sake. Introducing Euron so late in the series was a bad move too. Ramsay was great because we got years of him as a villain. Euron steps off his ship like a coke fueled maniac and we're supposed to buy it? Sorry - one of the worst episodes of the series.

 

[Grass]

After waiting six years to cross the sea with fully grown dragons and a capable army? Damn right. Trying to sell Tyrion's plan to an audience who knows better is insulting. This is stalling for stalling's sake. Introducing Euron so late in the series was a bad move too. Ramsay was great because we got years of him as a villain. Euron steps off his ship like a coke fueled maniac and we're supposed to buy it? Sorry - one of the worst episodes of the series.

I agree. I didn't find this episode good at all. After I watched it I was like WTF? Was a total let down after waiting for it all day long.

 

[tboyer]

Yara and Theon knew Euron was out to get them. They knew he was building a fleet of ships and since becoming King of the Iron Islands, his first priority was to wipe out the legitimate heirs. Euron is crazy as all get out, but he's probably the world's best pirate/sailor. Very, very, very stupid to send Yara and the fleet south for armies when they have a perfectly good one at Dragonstone. Hell - send Drogon and Euron's fleet is ash within an hour.

Yeah, if it were decent military strategy, the dragons could have been an escort or at very least air reconnaissance. You're right, if any of the dragons reaches Euron at sea before he reaches Yara, it would have been over. But you can tell Euron is going to be around for a while. They can't kill him. With Ramsey Bolton's demise, they need a good male villain.

I think they're setting up to have Euron marry Cersei, and then you have the evil couple. And it also frees Jamie to finally give up on Cersei about 3 episodes before the end, which would be a nice end game plot element.

 

[tboyer]

I agree Tyrion's plans were so obviously horrible it comes off as contrived plot. You figure at this point the HBO writers are doing more of the plotting than George RR Martin, and there probably is a cost to that. But I can understand why they did it -- with the Boltons gone, they have no top tier male villain, and really not enough villains period. I think it was probably a mistake to kill Ramsey and Roose. They should have found a way to keep Ramsey because the Ramsey actor did such a great job. Ramsey was a villain for the ages and, when this is all said and done, Ramsey will be one of the most memorable characters of the show. They should have found a way to get him to escape from Winterfell. Not giving up on Euron though -- he has the swashbuckling pirate thing going, it's like bringing Bluebeard into GOT. It might sorta work. Like for example, Euron really could marry Cersei. I'm not sure Ramsay could credibly marry Cersei.

After waiting six years to cross the sea with fully grown dragons and a capable army? Damn right. Trying to sell Tyrion's plan to an audience who knows better is insulting. This is stalling for stalling's sake. Introducing Euron so late in the series was a bad move too. Ramsay was great because we got years of him as a villain. Euron steps off his ship like a coke fueled maniac and we're supposed to buy it? Sorry - one of the worst episodes of the series.

 

[anon_xdc8rmuek44eq]

I agree Tyrion's plans were so obviously horrible it comes off as contrived plot. You figure at this point the HBO writers are doing more of the plotting than George RR Martin, and there probably is a cost to that. But I can understand why they did it -- with the Boltons gone, they have no top tier male villain, and really not enough villains period. I think it was probably a mistake to kill Ramsey and Roose. They should have found a way to keep Ramsey because the Ramsey actor did such a great job.

Maybe they think of this brilliant strategy before getting everyone to Dragonstone, you know?

'Hey Varys - if Dorne and Highgarden are on board with our plot to overthrow Cersei, have them assemble their armies and start marching towards King's Landing. The Lannister's are far North at Riverrun and they have little support in the South, so we should be able to get our allies pretty close by the time we make it to Dragonstone. From there, the Unsullied, Dothraki, and my dragons will flank King's Landing cutting off support from the Northern Lannister army and surrounding the Keep. The armies of Dorne and Highgarden will attack from the South. Cersei either surrenders or dies.'

 

[tboyer]

The previews for next week make it look like Grey Worm is about to bite it. The Unsullied are trained for open field battle, not close quartered urban warfare (see what happened to them with the harpies).

While I love Tyrion, I am concerned that he got what he hoped for when he broke up Dany's forces. He KNOWS King's Landing, he KNOWS Casterly Rock, and he KNOWS his brother and sister... I'm wondering if there was a meeting of the brothers prior to Tyrion's exit from Kings Landing? Maybe the brothers are MUCH closer than previously known?

Yeah, I think it's setting up for Jamie to rally just enough of the old Lannister allies at Casterly Rock using fear-mongering about an army of foreign eunuchs. Jamie is extremely clever, maybe the best strategist of all the remaining characters. My guess would be the Unsullied get slaughtered at Casterly Rock but maybe at least it's a catastrophic battle for the Lannister armies as well.

It could leave King's Landing virtually undefended. Euron's pirates aren't any good on land, I think Jamie said that last night.

 

[anon_xdc8rmuek44eq]

Yeah, I think it's setting up for Jamie to rally just enough of the old Lannister allies at Casterly Rock using fear-mongering about an army of foreign eunuchs. Jamie is extremely clever, maybe the best strategist of all the remaining characters. My guess would be the Unsullied get slaughtered at Casterly Rock but maybe at least it's a catastrophic battle for the Lannister armies as well.

It could leave King's Landing virtually undefended. Euron's pirates aren't any good on land, I think Jamie said that last night.

This is another issue for me - the Unsullied are basically an elite regiment of fighters. They train with all weapons and one is probably worth 10 regular soldiers. See: the dopey Lannister soldiers Arya ran into in the first episode. No way an army with a bunch of kids in armor should do any damage to the Unsullied unless they have a serious tactical advantage. We'll see.

 

[tboyer]

This is another issue for me - the Unsullied are basically an elite regiment of fighters. They train with all weapons and one is probably worth 10 regular soldiers. See: the dopey Lannister soldiers Arya ran into in the first episode. No way an army with a bunch of kids in armor should do any damage to the Unsullied unless they have a serious tactical advantage. We'll see.

The Unsullied have never been on this side of the sea, right? So they've never had to fight people with crossbows and armor and shields. I dunno I just don't like the matchup. And it seemed to me they were signaling as clearly as they can that Grey Worm is not long for this world. (btw another subject, but was that the first Colonel Lingus scene in GOT?)

 

[JBDLion]

Unsullied will be victorious in Casterly Rock. If you paid attention in the previous season trailers, Tyrion has a history there and a plan.

 

[tmacpolo]

My patience is wearing thin with Tyrion and his ultra-convoluted war strategy. Sure - we have the biggest, baddest, and best army in the world and could take Westeros/King's Landing in an afternoon, but nah - let's go *back* to Dorne and Highgarden, pick up their armies (and leave our fleet vulnerable to a mad pirate who is just itching to kill Yara and Theon) bring them *back* to King's Landing, and go from there. All the while, my dragons, Dothraki, and Unsullied will do a whole lot of nothing. I honestly could not believe that.

Best parts of the night for me were Samwell and Jorah, and Grey Worm and Messandi. Bored to death of Jon and his nightly speeches to Lords and Ladies of the North - drink every time:

- Sansa disagrees with Jon.
- Lady Mormont has a big speech.
- Littlefinger smirks and/or leans against the wall.

Also, Dany calling out Varys was out of place and weird - she's not wrong of course, but maybe question him two years ago? Just an awkward episode overall and I think they're doing whatever they can to make the Lannister's seem formidable (Now we have a super crossbow that can kill a dragon! Really!?). And don't get me started on the worst reunion ever between Nymeria and Arya.....what a wet fart.

Dorne used a weapon like this to kill one of Aegon's sister's dragons (and his sister because she fell to the ground). This is why Aegon never conquered Dorne. In the show they always say that he conquered the seven kingdoms but technically it was only 6.

 

[anon_xdc8rmuek44eq]

Dorne used a weapon like this to kill one of Aegon's sister's dragons (and his sister because she fell to the ground). This is why Aegon never conquered Dorne. In the show they always say that he conquered the seven kingdoms but technically it was only 6.

Yet another reason to attack immediately - why give Cersei time to deploy such a weapon? Seems like it's pretty successful from 10 feet away - how about hitting a moving Dragon at 300 yards?

 

[tboyer]

Bored to death of Jon and his nightly speeches to Lords and Ladies of the North - drink every time:

- Sansa disagrees with Jon.
- Lady Mormont has a big speech.
- Littlefinger smirks and/or leans against the wall.

Agree! Littlefinger leaning/smirking at this point is such a cliche, just wasted minutes. A little like having Ramsey torture Theon for the 14th time -- I GET IT ALREADY! Also had it with sanctimonious little Lady Mormont. It was cute the first time, pretty cool the second time, but now it's stale. Where is the member of the GOT writer's room brave enough to say - enough! Three times is enough!