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Define "equal treatment". No--I'm not joking, but let me explain.

One of the divides is "equal opportunity" vs "equal outcome". Both are forms of "equal treatment".The first is where everyone gets an equal chance. But some people will fail. Why? Everyone has different gifts and talents and some have more in some areas. And some people will fail big time. So some people get hurt. And some get rich.

But a lot of folks see "income inequity" (which is in itself a loaded term) and want equal outcome. That's been tried. And failed. Again, people are not equal in their abilities or efforts--so some folks wonder why they should work any harder (the old Russian joke: "We pretend to work and they pretend to pay us"). Some decide "why work". And again, people get hurt. And again it doesn't work as planned. A group of people takes over. As noted socialist Orwell noted about these systems "All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others". And if equal outcome is the goal, why am I not a PSU football player?

For me, I prefer the former system--but with a reasonable safety net for the less fortunate. But, we're human. Which ever one you choose will be flawed.
You make some valid points, but I wasn't talking about economic outcomes, thought that is an important subject. What I'm talking about is why is it safer for one of my grown (white) sons to take a walk wearing a sweatshirt than it is for young black men? Why are my sons less likely to have an interaction with the police?
 
I agree with your post, some segments of our society are targeted and oppressed. However, I believe that the real issues are much deeper than most people think with enough blame to go around on both sides.
Somewhat true but there a portions of this country who are targets simply due to race.....we cannot pretend that isn’t true anymore. Some people simply cannot admit that for some reason or just want to avoid it. If that video doesn’t anger you as much as the looting does, you’re missing something.
 
You make some valid points, but I wasn't talking about economic outcomes, thought that is an important subject. What I'm talking about is why is it safer for one of my grown (white) sons to take a walk wearing a sweatshirt than it is for young black men? Why are my sons less likely to have an interaction with the police?
I get that--as much as someone who is not "a person of color" can, I suppose. I've had a few talks with a co-worker of mine about DWB, which he has experienced (and had a similar talk with a black CPD officer about his experiences with DWB--especially considering that he has to carry, being an LEO, and isn't always in uniform when so doing. Lends a different perspective.
 
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Somewhat true but there a portions of this country who are targets simply due to race.....we cannot pretend that isn’t true anymore. Some people simply cannot admit that for some reason or just want to avoid it. If that video doesn’t anger you as much as the looting does, you’re missing something.
It does anger me as I believe it was a criminal act. The officer will most likely get a 25 years sentence and most likely die in jail.

We also cannot I pretend that throwing money at these communities will change anything. The inner-city mentality, culture and behavior must change from within. Until that happens we will have the same issues happening over and over and over again.
 
It is so sad that we are such a divided nation right now. Half sees things broken and tries to fix them. And half sees things broken and tries to break more things. Does anyone understand why?

I've been looking for that half that wants to fix things anything in the US...... I'm just not not seeing it. The country needs a lot more James Franklin's that is the only thing of which I am sure.
 
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It does anger me as I believe it was a criminal act. The officer will most likely get a 25 years sentence and most likely die in jail.

We also cannot I pretend that throwing money at these communities will change anything. The inner-city mentality, culture and behavior must change from within. Until that happens we will have the same issues happening over and over and over again.
Maybe the policing mentality has to change too? It's not just the inner city mentality has to change, that is where you are missing something.
 
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Also in that same speech. Context is key.

Let me say as I've always said, and I will always continue to say, that riots are socially destructive and self-defeating. I'm still convinced that nonviolence is the most potent weapon available to oppressed people in their struggle for freedom and justice. I feel that violence will only create more social problems than they will solve. That in a real sense it is impracticable for the Negro to even think of mounting a violent revolution in the United States. So I will continue to condemn riots, and continue to say to my brothers and sisters that this is not the way. And continue to affirm that there is another way.
 
Also in that same speech. Context is key.

Let me say as I've always said, and I will always continue to say, that riots are socially destructive and self-defeating. I'm still convinced that nonviolence is the most potent weapon available to oppressed people in their struggle for freedom and justice. I feel that violence will only create more social problems than they will solve. That in a real sense it is impracticable for the Negro to even think of mounting a violent revolution in the United States. So I will continue to condemn riots, and continue to say to my brothers and sisters that this is not the way. And continue to affirm that there is another way.

Yes, obviously, and I am quite familiar with the whole of his remarks. My point was that MLK would most certainly not be "rollling in his grave" about rioting, because he understood why it happens.
 
Yes, obviously, and I am quite familiar with the whole of his remarks. My point was that MLK would most certainly not be "rollling in his grave" about rioting, because he understood why it happens.
The fact that this is still happening doesn't phase some people....that is the real problem to be honest. The simple fact that you have people saying there is nothing racial about this just goes to show how delusional a portion of this country is.
 
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Yes, obviously, and I am quite familiar with the whole of his remarks. My point was that MLK would most certainly not be "rollling in his grave" about rioting, because he understood why it happens.

He'd be rolling over in his grave as to why it's happening this time since there's zero evidence so far this incident was racially motivated. That's where his comment about riots making things worse is key.
 
The fact that this is still happening doesn't phase some people....that is the real problem to be honest.
What is the cause of the rioting though? Is it racial injustice? I believe that is the cause of the protests. Are the ones rioting (burning buildings, stealing from stores, throwing things at the police, etc...) the same as the protesters? I’m not sure they are.
 
What is the cause of the rioting though? Is it racial injustice? I believe that is the cause of the protests. Are the ones rioting (burning buildings, stealing from stores, throwing things at the police, etc...) the same as the protesters? I’m not sure they are.
The rioting is due to idiots taking advantage of a situation....just like some cops take advantage of their badge. There are a ton of great cops and a ton of peaceful protesters, but you cannot keep up the divide with pointing that out so the parties harp on that to keep the divide growing. Steeling shoes or TV's helps nothing, but yet people are doing it. That isn't going make a change or help the cause, it's counter productive. The simple fact you have people that pretend that race had nothing to do with this is eye opening. Some people are so uncomfortable with the topic, they actually pretend it isn't an issue.
 
What is the cause of the rioting though? Is it racial injustice? I believe that is the cause of the protests. Are the ones rioting (burning buildings, stealing from stores, throwing things at the police, etc...) the same as the protesters? I’m not sure they are.

I doubt it. The emotions and actions of the two groups you describe seem to be very different. People putting their hands in the air saying 'I can't breath' are vastly different that those aimlessly destroying property.
 
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The rioting is due to idiots taking advantage of a situation....just like some cops take advantage of their badge. There are a ton of great cops and a ton of peaceful protesters, but you cannot keep up the divide with pointing that out so the parties harp on that to keep the divide growing. Steeling shoes or TV's helps nothing, but yet people are doing it. That isn't going make a change or help the cause, it's counter productive. The simple fact you have people that pretend that race had nothing to do with this is eye opening. Some people are so uncomfortable with the topic, they actually pretend it isn't an issue.
I agree with this 100%.
 
He also still thinks Covid is just like the flu.....so that is the logic you are dealing with. Some people just live in their denial.
For this group, those under 40, it is just like the flu in tens of morbidity. Regardless, the lockdown is part of this. Unemployment was around 3% and suddenly 40 million out of work.
While not the cause the lockdown was the drought that caused the spark to take flower and that had turned into a full fledged forest fire
 
Yes, obviously, and I am quite familiar with the whole of his remarks. My point was that MLK would most certainly not be "rollling in his grave" about rioting, because he understood why it happens.
Then you better tell MLK’s family that because they are disagreeing with you.
 
Then you’d be wrong, they’re being interviewed.
Not sure what interview you're referring to, but from what I saw they didn't sound too different from Dr. King himself. But this discussion started with what he himself said, so if you can take comfort from what his descendants are saying, peace be with you.
 
I doubt it. The emotions and actions of the two groups you describe seem to be very different. People putting their hands in the air saying 'I can't breath' are vastly different that those aimlessly destroying property.
If you don't feel the racism, it's a bit easier to deny it. It's not just a US issue, it's a global issue sadly.
To feel racism is different than our country being a racist country. There is a large area in between the two.
 
Oh of course it’s a global issue. But America needs to accept its role in the global racism issue.
Some people would rather deny it exists for some reason. Look at this thread and you see examples of people who are in complete denial about it. They cannot comprehend or understand how people of other races may see things differently for very different reasons. I bet if these deniers asked our HC if it's real.....they wouldn't like his answer. Aneas Hawkins had some idiot scream racist crap at him at a gas station last week. He must have been making it up according to some of the brainiacs here. Look at the idiot who wrote Sutherland last year....there are people are in total denial over this topic. Everyone else is lying....because in their closed off world...it doesn't exist.
 
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Some people would rather deny it exists for some reason. Look at this thread and you see examples of people who are in complete denial about it. They cannot comprehend or understand how people of other races may see things differently for very different reasons. I bet if these deniers asked our HC if it's real.....they wouldn't like his answer. Aneas Hawkins had some idiot scream racist crap at him at a gas station last week. He must have been making it up according to some of the brainiacs here. Look at the idiot who wrote Sutherland last year....there are people are in total denial over this topic. Everyone else is lying....because in their closed off world...it doesn't exist.
Let me give you another example

Mass shootings here in the US

Since 1982 -when the government started keeping track of mass shootings -68% have been carried out by White males

100% of school shootings (below university level) are by white males.

But the race of these perpetrators is never brought up. Nor will White America acknowledge their role in these acts.

Why is that?
 
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Some people would rather deny it exists for some reason. Look at this thread and you see examples of people who are in complete denial about it. They cannot comprehend or understand how people of other races may see things differently for very different reasons. I bet if these deniers asked our HC if it's real.....they wouldn't like his answer. Aneas Hawkins had some idiot scream racist crap at him at a gas station last week. He must have been making it up according to some of the brainiacs here. Look at the idiot who wrote Sutherland last year....there are people are in total denial over this topic. Everyone else is lying....because in their closed off world...it doesn't exist.
Well, do tell us about the open part of the world you live In?
 
Anyone who doesn’t see racism and claims it doesn’t exist wants to give themselves immunity.

America is a racist country. Accept it Recognizing faults is the first step in trying to resolve them -if that is what you want to do. If you don’t feel the need to resolve these faults or don’t feel they are faults then carry on. But be prepared for the response.
There are racists in the U.S. but that doesn't make the U.S. a racist country.

Serious question. What "faults" do you want to resolve? I don't think you can pass a law that prohibits people from having a racist attitude. People will think how they think. We already have laws against hate crimes. Predominiantly black communities already have black political leaders. The police chief in Minneapolis is black. Most of these cities go out of their way to hire minorities on the police force. So what's the law you would propose?
 
Let me give you another example

Mass shootings here in the US

Since 1982 -when the government started keeping track of mass shootings -68% have been carried out by White males

100% of school shootings (below university level) are by white males.

But the race of these perpetrators is never brought up. Nor will White Anerica acknowledge their role in these acts.

Why is that?
Are you white Ro? If so, you just acknowledged it. What role did you play in these shootings?
 
There is no way white people could ever handle being treated the way they treat minorities. White Americans simply don’t have the strength of spine to deal with all the subtle and systemic acts of racism that minorities have dealt with for generations.
And who are these “white people?” The world I live in is comprised of many, many people of mixed races and creeds? How does this fit into your neat little equation.
 
Let me give you another example

Mass shootings here in the US

Since 1982 -when the government started keeping track of mass shootings -68% have been carried out by White males

That post reminds me of Bill Russell when he announced an NBA playoff game and the rules gave 3 opportunities to make 2 FTs. Paul Silas made one, missed one, and made the 3rd. Russell said here's a guy who was only a 66% FT shooter during the regular season but in the clutch he stepped up and made 2 out of 3.

68% is close the percentage of white population in the U.S.
 
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I think if you are going the label the country as a “racist country” you have to define that term.
 
That post reminds me of Bill Russell when he announced an NBA playoff game and the rules gave 3 opportunities to make 2 FTs. Paul Silas made one, missed one, and made the 3rd. Russell said here's a guy who was only a 66% FT shooter during the regular season but in the clutch he stepped up and made 2 out of 3.

68% is close the percentage of white population in the U.S.

To be fair, he did say "white male" which is closer to 32% of the population.
 
To be fair, he did say "white male" which is closer to 32% of the population.
True, but in that case it's a male problem, not a white problem. Males probably commit 90% of the murders.
 
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