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Differences between Penn State, Michigan State [GANIM CHIMES IN]

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Comparing responses by Penn State to Jerry Sandusky, Michigan State to Larry Nassar.

Someone needs to write a column about this.
  • PSU BOT fires Spanier, Schultz, Curley, Paterno.
  • MSU BOT endorses Lou Anna Simon, even gives her a raise. Kathy Klages is allowed to retire as a respected member of MSU community when the SHTF.
  • PSU president apologizes in nationally televised commercials; promises to make all survivors whole.
  • MSU doesn't.
  • PSU wears blue ribbons on uniforms in support of survivors.
  • MSU doesn't.
  • PSU Alumni Association immediately raises over $500,000 for RAINN.
  • MSU doesn't.
  • PSU students organize candlelight vigil in honor of survivors on lawn of Old Main.
  • MSU doesn't.
  • Paterno reports 2001 exactly as directed by law, university guidelines and present-day NCAA policy; cooperates with OAG in 2011, helps put Jerry in jail.
  • MSU womens gymnastics coach Kathleen Klages receives two reports of abuse from victims in 1997, tells them there would be consequences if reported, shames them in front of teammates, defends Nassar; tells parents in 2016 that Nassar was framed.
  • PSU reports outside the university in both 1998 and 2001.
  • MSU doesn't report in 1997; uncertain about following events.
  • Lou Anna Simon moves to kick Penn State out of the Big Ten.
  • PSU does not return the favor to MSU.
Feel free to add.
 
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Yep. Here comes some victim shaming.

PSU: No names. No faces. They were coerced and subjected to illegal tactics by police. They testified for and won money.

MSU. Victims stood in front of the camera, announced their names and told of the venomous acts of Nassar. Not for money. For justice.
 
It would appear that claimants against MSU will have to win their settlements the old fashioned way. I don't see anyone waiving a checkbook around. MSU President and Trustees are apologetic, but following the reasoning that Nasser is the monster and they had no tangible evidence that he was sexually abusing students/patients/gymnasts. Perhaps the difference is that MSU Trustees have no skeletons in their closets they need to keep hidden.By now, it is apparent, that no trustee is using the crisis to settle personal vendettas. As a result, they may be free to follow the course of action that is actually to the benefit of the university. Imagine that? Also, Nasser has already plead guilty to crimes that will likely put him behind bars for life.With thousands of pornographic images and video taken from go pro cameras, there are no crying janitors,excited utterances,or state police lying on tape. Sandusky maintains his innocence and continues to appeal in the hopes of securing another trial.
The MSU/USA Gymnastics Scandal certainly does not appear to have political motivations in the state of Michigan. There can be little doubt that The Commonwealth OAG was used as a weapon against The PSU3.
 
PSU hires Freeh to conduct investigation and allows Free h to grandstand at his own press conference and makes Freeh Report public.

MSU hires Patrick Fitzgerald, to conduct internal investigation and apparently there is no report and they refuse to release any findings publicly.

“Any credible investigation ends in a report, otherwise there is no investigation,” Manly said. “What has happened here is MSU has hired a very good defense lawyer, which they are entitled to do. Apparently the strategy that they have asked him to employ is to close the gate and bar the door on information about what the university knew and what they knew about Larry Nassar.”

http://www.detroitnews.com/story/ne.../08/msu-larry-nassar-investigation/108437686/
 
I'm also guessing the insurers watched what happened to PSU re: litigation/civil suits, and behind the scenes were giving MSU a message..."listen to us on this one, or you're on your own and your policies won't cover the hundreds of millions you'll be paying out."
 
Yep. Here comes some victim shaming.

PSU: No names. No faces. They were coerced and subjected to illegal tactics by police. They testified for and won money.

MSU. Victims stood in front of the camera, announced their names and told of the venomous acts of Nassar. Not for money. For justice.

Good point.

Just out of curiosity if anyone knows...how many of the MSU victims needed repressed memory therapy to remember they had been abused when they formerly said they had not been abused? How many of them maintained a friendly relationship with Nasser after the abuse, but before accusing him of abuse? Not being a smart ass. I’d love to know the answer to these questions since the sample size here is so large.
 
MSU. Victims stood in front of the camera, announced their names and told of the venomous acts of Nassar. Not for money. For justice.

I have to admit this one bothers me too.

I have known quite a few names of these young women since November 2016.

I have read complaints.

I applaud them for coming forward with such honesty, clarity, outrage and a clear demand that their questions be answered by the leadership of the institution (MSU) that employed Nassar.

I can honestly say - not including Aaron Fisher who published a book - I am not seeing the same level of honesty, clarity, outrage & a clear demand for answers and accountability from the leadership of the institution (Second Mile) that employed Sandusky.
 
I have to admit this one bothers me too.

I have known quite a few names of these young women since November 2016.

I have read complaints.

I applaud them for coming forward with such honesty, clarity, outrage and a clear demand that their questions be answered by the leadership of the institution (MSU) that employed Nassar.

I can honestly say - not including Aaron Fisher who published a book - I am not seeing the same level of honesty, clarity, outrage & a clear demand for answers and accountability from the leadership of the institution (Second Mile) that employed Sandusky.
Even better...
 
This is the $64,000 question. My guess is that people in powerful positions covered it up.
exactly. why? Sex scandals ruin careers that have been built up for years. Sex scandals ruin families. But there is buzz around a potential TSM pedophile ring that intertwines with Penn State donors (Bucceroni) and there has been buzz around sex parties at one of the State College hotels and there has been buzz around shredder trucks lined up outside TSM and there has been no investigation of TSM and no attorney general will touch the TSM issue and Kathleen Kane exposed a host of dirty laundry that ties state supreme court justices to prosecutors who worked for the ex governor. Then she got sent to jail very quickly, which required a special session of the Senate to convene at a time that it normally would not (if my memory serves). Why? Why was Freeh hired to write all of his inflammatory stuff? It's all about money or sexual indiscretion/crimes.
 
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If there was a ring the investigation would need to start at TSM. That was the victim farm. Penn State pedophile ring is a ridiculous assertion.
This is true. I agree. If it exists, it may be a Penn State affiliated ring, however, since certain trustees seem to be complicit in keeping the heat off TSM.
 
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You are exactly right. They had real issues on their hands that they wanted to cover up. The real Pulitzer goes to the one who uncovers
The real cover up.

I understand that Ralph Cipriano from big trial blog will publish an in-depth analysis of the real cover up in Newsweek in the near term. I believe the article is around 40,000 words. If it turns out as advertised, I believe it could be a game changer. If that happens, he will be a thousand times more deserving of a Pulitzer than Sara Ganim. Ganim needs to be exposed for her role in the fiasco.
 


Doyel: Like Penn State with Sandusky, Michigan State failed to stop Nassar
Gregg Doyel, gregg.doyel@indystar.comPublished 2:20 p.m. ET Jan. 22, 2018

Evil came to college, and the college said: I don’t see you. The college said: I don’t hear you. The college said: And I damn sure won’t speak of you.

This happened at Penn State. And this happened – by God, it’s still happening – at Michigan State.

Evil visited State College, Pa., and East Lansing, Mich., and evil made itself comfortable, hiding behind adults who didn’t understand what was happening, which seems reasonable, but then couldn’t be bothered to find out – which seems unforgivable.

You know the Penn State story. Evil Jerry Sandusky’s reign of terror lasted nine years after his boss – good ol’ JoePa, beloved Joe Paterno, may he not rest in peace – was made aware of the evil in 2002 in his football facility and made this decision:

I don’t understand what I’m hearing, and I don’t want to understand.

“I never heard of, of, rape and a man,” Paterno feebly said in 2012, and because he couldn’t be bothered to figure it out, the pedophile Sandusky roamed free for nine more years.

And with that as the backdrop to the evil that was unfolding at Michigan State – evil that still might be happening to this day, if it weren’t for the work of IndyStar reporters Tim Evans, Marisa Kwiatkowski and Mark Alesia – evil Dr. Larry Nassar abused girls under the guise of “treatment” because his bosses didn’t understand what they were hearing. And didn’t bother to figure it out.

In 1997, a high school gymnast injured at a Michigan State youth gymnastics program told Spartans gymnastics coach Kathie Klages that she was abused by Nassar when she went to him for treatment. Klages’ response, according to the gymnast?


“She just couldn’t believe that was happening,” Larissa Boyce, now 37, told The Detroit News. “She said I must be misunderstanding what was going on.”

In 1999 a runner on the Michigan State cross country team says she told a staff member and multiple team trainers that Nassar abused her during “treatment” for a sore hamstring. The adults at Michigan State told her she was wrong. More than that, they suggested she was lucky to be treated by the great Larry Nassar. He’s an Olympic doctor, the adults told the college athlete, identified in court documents as Jane X Doe. He knows what he’s doing, they told her.

About the same time, Michigan State softball player Tiffany Thomas Lopez told three different MSU athletic trainers that Nassar had abused her during treatment. Their response, according to a lawsuit filed by Lopez and 15 other alleged victims? Lopez was “fortunate to receive the best medical care possible from a world-renowned doctor.”

Now here, let’s jump to 2014. Nassar was evil in the meantime, make no mistake about that, terrorizing girls under the guise of treatment for USA Gymnastics. All told, more than 140 girls and women have said Nassar abused them. In 2014 several adults at Michigan State had a chance – sorry, they had yet another chance – to stop him.
And they couldn’t be bothered.

Starting with the president of the university, Lou Anna K. Simon.

Simon was told in 2014 that a police report and a Title IX investigation had been filed against an unnamed doctor on campus, and in Simon’s own words, paraphrased by me, she didn’t care enough to learn more. The doctor was Nassar, of course. Nassar pleaded guilty in November to molesting 10 girls. Here’s what Simon told reporters last week when she attended Nassar’s sentencing hearing, which is continuing:

“I was informed that a sports medicine doctor was under investigation,” Simon said. “I told people to play it straight up, and I did not receive a copy of the report. That’s the truth.”

That’s the truth? No, that’s abominable. The president of Michigan State isn’t absolved from blame because “I did not receive a copy of the report.”

No, you go get the report.

Alas, Nassar continued to see patients for 16 more months. When asked about that, and about alleged reports of sexual misconduct against Nassar going back 20 years and reportedly reaching more than a dozen Michigan State employees, Simon countered:

“Those issues are points of dispute and part of civil litigation and I am not going to comment on,” said Simon, Michigan State's president since 2003. “What I can tell you is what I knew, straight up. My standard response is to tell people to play things straight up and I did not receive a copy of the report.”

In February 2017, Simon issued a “letter to the Spartan community” in which she wrote, and I quote:

“MSU has taken a proactive approach to responding to this situation.”

Here’s how proactive that approach has been:

To this day, Michigan State’s sports medicine clinic is still trying to collect payment for “treatment” performed by evil Dr. Larry Nassar, treatment we now know was sexual abuse. That fact was made public Monday by Emma Ann Miller, 15, the 95th survivor to make a statement at Nassar’s sentencing hearing.

“My mom is still getting billed for appointments where I was sexually assaulted,” Miller said in her statement.

What happened at Michigan State is unspeakable. And it is unspeakable still. Evil came to college, and too many adults said: Make yourself at home.

Find IndyStar columnist Gregg Doyel on Twitter: @GreggDoyelStar or at facebook.com/gregg.doyel.
 
  • PSU reports outside the university in both 1998 and 2001.

When did either of these happen? First one the mom went to the police. Second one they kept it in-house. Yes the media was unfair but a lot had to do with the crazy denial and lying that this fan base does.
 
Doyel is no different than Dan Bernstein or Christine Brennan. But it is interesting that Doyel is setting his sights on MSU.



Penn State and MSU aren't comparable. Why? Because MSU is more like TSM in this case. Like TSM, MSU is where Nassar found his victims in an environment that allowed him to do his thing. Penn State? That's just a place that Sandusky got caught (sort of).
 
  • PSU reports outside the university in both 1998 and 2001.
When did either of these happen? First one the mom went to the police. Second one they kept it in-house. Yes the media was unfair but a lot had to do with the crazy denial and lying that this fan base does.

PSU reported it to TSM. The whole "swim trunks" bit.
 
  • PSU reports outside the university in both 1998 and 2001.
When did either of these happen? First one the mom went to the police. Second one they kept it in-house. Yes the media was unfair but a lot had to do with the crazy denial and lying that this fan base does.

You're an idiot. Penn State Police supported the investigation in 1998 (provided information on sandusky). Penn State discussed sandusky with jack raykovitz, CEO of the second mile, and with external counsel, wendell courtney, in 2001. raykovitz was a mandated reporter by state law.

Seriously, STFU.
 


Doyel: Like Penn State with Sandusky, Michigan State failed to stop Nassar
Gregg Doyel, gregg.doyel@indystar.comPublished 2:20 p.m. ET Jan. 22, 2018

Evil came to college, and the college said: I don’t see you. The college said: I don’t hear you. The college said: And I damn sure won’t speak of you.

This happened at Penn State. And this happened – by God, it’s still happening – at Michigan State.

Evil visited State College, Pa., and East Lansing, Mich., and evil made itself comfortable, hiding behind adults who didn’t understand what was happening, which seems reasonable, but then couldn’t be bothered to find out – which seems unforgivable.

You know the Penn State story. Evil Jerry Sandusky’s reign of terror lasted nine years after his boss – good ol’ JoePa, beloved Joe Paterno, may he not rest in peace – was made aware of the evil in 2002 in his football facility and made this decision:

I don’t understand what I’m hearing, and I don’t want to understand.

“I never heard of, of, rape and a man,” Paterno feebly said in 2012, and because he couldn’t be bothered to figure it out, the pedophile Sandusky roamed free for nine more years.

And with that as the backdrop to the evil that was unfolding at Michigan State – evil that still might be happening to this day, if it weren’t for the work of IndyStar reporters Tim Evans, Marisa Kwiatkowski and Mark Alesia – evil Dr. Larry Nassar abused girls under the guise of “treatment” because his bosses didn’t understand what they were hearing. And didn’t bother to figure it out.

In 1997, a high school gymnast injured at a Michigan State youth gymnastics program told Spartans gymnastics coach Kathie Klages that she was abused by Nassar when she went to him for treatment. Klages’ response, according to the gymnast?


“She just couldn’t believe that was happening,” Larissa Boyce, now 37, told The Detroit News. “She said I must be misunderstanding what was going on.”

In 1999 a runner on the Michigan State cross country team says she told a staff member and multiple team trainers that Nassar abused her during “treatment” for a sore hamstring. The adults at Michigan State told her she was wrong. More than that, they suggested she was lucky to be treated by the great Larry Nassar. He’s an Olympic doctor, the adults told the college athlete, identified in court documents as Jane X Doe. He knows what he’s doing, they told her.

About the same time, Michigan State softball player Tiffany Thomas Lopez told three different MSU athletic trainers that Nassar had abused her during treatment. Their response, according to a lawsuit filed by Lopez and 15 other alleged victims? Lopez was “fortunate to receive the best medical care possible from a world-renowned doctor.”

Now here, let’s jump to 2014. Nassar was evil in the meantime, make no mistake about that, terrorizing girls under the guise of treatment for USA Gymnastics. All told, more than 140 girls and women have said Nassar abused them. In 2014 several adults at Michigan State had a chance – sorry, they had yet another chance – to stop him.
And they couldn’t be bothered.

Starting with the president of the university, Lou Anna K. Simon.

Simon was told in 2014 that a police report and a Title IX investigation had been filed against an unnamed doctor on campus, and in Simon’s own words, paraphrased by me, she didn’t care enough to learn more. The doctor was Nassar, of course. Nassar pleaded guilty in November to molesting 10 girls. Here’s what Simon told reporters last week when she attended Nassar’s sentencing hearing, which is continuing:

“I was informed that a sports medicine doctor was under investigation,” Simon said. “I told people to play it straight up, and I did not receive a copy of the report. That’s the truth.”

That’s the truth? No, that’s abominable. The president of Michigan State isn’t absolved from blame because “I did not receive a copy of the report.”

No, you go get the report.

Alas, Nassar continued to see patients for 16 more months. When asked about that, and about alleged reports of sexual misconduct against Nassar going back 20 years and reportedly reaching more than a dozen Michigan State employees, Simon countered:

“Those issues are points of dispute and part of civil litigation and I am not going to comment on,” said Simon, Michigan State's president since 2003. “What I can tell you is what I knew, straight up. My standard response is to tell people to play things straight up and I did not receive a copy of the report.”

In February 2017, Simon issued a “letter to the Spartan community” in which she wrote, and I quote:

“MSU has taken a proactive approach to responding to this situation.”

Here’s how proactive that approach has been:

To this day, Michigan State’s sports medicine clinic is still trying to collect payment for “treatment” performed by evil Dr. Larry Nassar, treatment we now know was sexual abuse. That fact was made public Monday by Emma Ann Miller, 15, the 95th survivor to make a statement at Nassar’s sentencing hearing.

“My mom is still getting billed for appointments where I was sexually assaulted,” Miller said in her statement.

What happened at Michigan State is unspeakable. And it is unspeakable still. Evil came to college, and too many adults said: Make yourself at home.

Find IndyStar columnist Gregg Doyel on Twitter: @GreggDoyelStar or at facebook.com/gregg.doyel.
The inaccuracies of this article are appalling after 6+ years of new information being put into the public, this "journalist" still is using the WRONG year (2002) of the Sandusky incident - a fiction provided by the original OAG presentment document in 2011. Talk about lazy, irresponsible and uninformed journalism ....

Add to that the fact that there is no disputing the fact that MSU CONSISTENTLY broke the law with multiple formal reports of abuse YET.. according to the gist of this article ..Penn State and Paterno should be rotting in Hell because Paterno PERSONALLY protected Sandusky's actions (no facts are needed!!!).

Back to this "article".....Notice, this 2018 publication only uses the "Story" built by the PA OAG and "confirmed" by the Freeh "OPINION" - both sources of information that are selective, biased and proven to be FACTUALLY untrustworthy.

FACE IT....MSU - is in fact - the worst sex cover-up scandal in history yet, this author links MSU with PSU ...see, MSU is "not as bad as Penn State". The PSU "story" promoted here is just a re-hash of the criminal "Story of Penn State" created by the media's misinformation in which Paterno & Penn State were painted as ONLY, SINGLE SOURCE of criminal behavior because they did not protecting kids from sex crimes.

It is amazing that this Penn State angle - a "fiction" created by a criminal political group in the State of PA to cover-up THEIR criminal misdeeds can so dramatically be used 6 years later in another state by another irresponsible media member in the continuation of this never-ending irresponsible and inaccurate journalism.
 
How about PSU's president at the time saying into a live mic that there's obviously a cover up going on? (F***ing potato head).

Nobody at MSU has mentioned that word.
 
This one falls under USAG and not MSU but...

Makayla Moroney accepts a settlement from USAG for her abuse at the hands of Nassar, with the condition she signs an NDA, which has prohibited her from making a statement in front of the court.

Penn State only requires those receiving settlements to agree not to file suit against TSM. There are obviously no NDAs in effect as several of the accusers immediately run to Bernie McCue, may he not rest in peace to quote Doyel, who sets them up with Sara Ganim to publish their ridiculous stories implicating Joe Paterno years after his death when he can't respond to any of the stupid claims contained in them.

Is this stupidity on the part of Ira and the BOT, or yet another calculated move to keep the focus on Joe rather than TSM and the trustees?
 
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