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Castille weighs in on Fina

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Per Philadelphia Inquirer

Ronald D. Castille, former chief justice of the state Supreme Court, on Wednesday called the disciplinary case against former top state prosecutor Frank Fina “a travesty of justice” and said he would have reversed an appeals court ruling that was highly critical of Fina.


Testifying as expert witness on behalf of Fina, Castille said the former prosecutor had acted properly in obtaining damaging testimony from the former Pennsylvania State University general counsel to build criminal cases against the university’s ex-president and two other former university administrators.

The three men now all stand convicted of endangering the welfare of children for their failure to alert authorities to an allegation that former university assistant football coach Jerry Sandusky had been accused of sexual assault of minors. But before their convictions, a state Superior Court panel tossed out many of the most serious charges against the men after they questioned Fina’s tactics as a leader of the investigation into their cover-up.

Former Penn State president Graham Spanier and the others successfully argued before the appeals court that Fina erred in eliciting testimony from onetime counsel Cynthia Baldwin, saying this had violated their rights because she had previously represented them before the investigative grand jury looking into the scandal. Castille, appearing in Philadelphia in a hearing before the state legal Disciplinary Board, said Superior Court got it wrong.

The former chief justice said Spanier and former administrators Tim Curley and Gary Schultz had stonewalled Baldwin when she asked them about Sandusky as she gathered information to respond to subpoenas to the university. Their lies stripped them of their right to invoke the attorney-client privilege to keep Baldwin silent, Castille told the board.

“You can’t lie to your lawyer and expect that lawyer to be your counsel,” Castille testified. “It’s as simple as that.”

For years, Fina was one of Pennsylvania’s most well-known prosecutors. During 15 years with the state Attorney General’s Office, he led a series of sweeping probes of corruption in the state legislature. He also launched an undercover sting that caught Philadelphia politicians pocketing cash.

He was also in the headlines for a clash with former state Attorney General Kathleen Kane, a critic of the Sandusky investigation. She also blamed Fina for Inquirer articles disclosing that she had secretly shut down the sting cases. She was convicted in 2016 of violating grand jury rules in attempting to plant a news story critical of Fina.

Wednesday’s hearing was the last of three days of testimony devoted to the Fina ethics case. The three lawyers who heard the case will now issue findings to the full legal Disciplinary Board. The lawyers’ recommendation is more than two months away. Fina, who is now in private practice, faces a possible suspension of his law license.

The ethics case against Fina turns on intricate questions of law and the attorney-client privilege. Baldwin has insisted that she was representing the university as an institution during the Sandusky scandal, and not Spanier and the others individually. She also has said she made that clear to the three men, giving them what she called a “corporate Miranda” warning.

At the same time, however, she said the law permitted her to serve as the men’s lawyer during their grand jury testimony. She said she believed at that time that the university and the men were united in a common legal posture — sharing the view there had been no cover-up of Sandusky’s behavior. Later, she said, she concluded she had been lied to, especially after investigators turned up a hidden cache of emails and notes documenting the men had agreed to keep silent about Sandusky.

When called as a witness by prosecutors, she and Fina said, she testified only after the university, her client, gave her permission to do so. Moreover, Fina has said, he limited his questions to her dealings with the three administrators over the investigative subpoenas and didn’t ask about their grand jury appearances.

Earlier Wednesday, the last day of testimony in the Fina matter, Amelia C. Kittredge, the Office of Disciplinary Counsel lawyer pursuing the civil case against the former prosecutor, pressed Fina about that grand jury testimony.

“You expected them to commit perjury, didn’t you?” Kittredge asked

“No. Absolutely not, ” Fina replied.

“They weren’t informational witnesses. They were suspects,” Kittredge said.

“They were fact witnesses,” Fina replied.

In closing arguments, Kittredge said Fina had violated the state ethical code for lawyers, which she said only rarely permits lawyers to be called as witnesses against their clients.In his closing, Joseph McGettigan, a lawyer for Fina, said that the former prosecutor had been subjected to a dishonorable and shameful legal attack. He said Fina was facing revenge from “five convicted criminals” — Sandusky, Spanier, Curley, Schultz, and Kane.

“All they have done,” McGettigan added, referring to lawyers bringing the ethics case, “is defame and denigrate an honorable man, a good public servant.”
 
A couple of problems with Castile's argument:

1) Clients lie to their lawyers all the time unfortunately. Lying or concealing information from your lawyer doesn't instantly invalidate the attorney client privilege. It's not that simple.

2) If a lawyer withdraws services from a client, isn't the lawyer required to inform them? I.e. use the words "I can't represent you, you need to get another lawyer." Otherwise the client will continue to assume you are their lawyer -- as Curley and Spanier did in this case.

This was a case where Baldwin was POSING as Curley's and Spanier's lawyer while secretly she was collecting evidence for the prosecution. And they were testifying before a grand jury, placing themselves in legal jeopardy and giving evidence against themselves, without representation that they thought they had.

It is a pretty tortured legal argument that tries to justify that.
 
Unfortunately, the cesspool that is the Pennsylvania Judicial System will probably let Fina slide.
Right...but its not just PA. This is why there is a Black Lives Matter and people kneel for the national anthem. Prosecutors are out of control. Imagine what it is like if you only can afford a court appointed layer who is going to make $250 for defending you. The fix is in. My wife has a domestic abuse case where the police and prosecution not only over reacted, but the prosecutor withheld evidence. They even admitted this. The result? a new trial (already close to two years in while the victim can't get a decent job) but they also added in resisting arrest and assaulting and officer to send her the message that she should just have pled guilty. My wife has worked on this for months, and will make several hundred dollars.
 
It's really a fundamental flaw in the U.S. system. The whole concept of an adversarial proceeding is based on two things -- a balance of power and two sides acting within certain legal and ethnical boundaries. And both don't exist in the U.S.

Rich people can hire so much legal firepower they can overwhelm a prosecution, but most of the time the imbalance works the other way -- ordinary people may hire an attorney for a few thousand bucks, but a private attorney is seriously outgunned by a prosecution that has extra prosecutors, detectives, analysts, cops at their beck and call.

The second problem -- police and prosecutors lying -- is more serious. Cops have a different idea about lying than most people. I know cops, and many if not most of them think lying is absolutely justified if it gets the right guy locked up, and it's doubly justified if it's protecting a fellow cop. The perps lie, so why shouldn't we -- that's the rationalization.

So the making up of evidence and testimony is endemic. And then the prosecutors -- and this has been demonstrated time and time again -- they don't want to know the cops are lying, but basically they go along with it because they want to win their cases. "Officer of the court" means prosecutors are supposed to uphold the constitution and the law behind the scenes as well as in the courtroom, but in practice this simply does not happen. Prosecutors are conditioned to want to win. Two things cause prosecutors to lose their jobs -- losing cases and being a stickler about little things like made-up evidence.

And then judges -- they tend to be former prosecutors, they have personal relationships with the prosecutors, they don't want to rock the boat. Sure a good judge will call bullshit on a fraudulent case but it is very hazardous to their career so they're not going to do it much. And most don't have the courage to do it at all.

I always thought the system in Europe was kind of strange that the judge and prosecutor is essentially the same person. But it might actually be a better system because that person has complete authority to see that constitution and law and procedures are followed. And judges in Europe don't have to worry about losing elections.


Right...but its not just PA. This is why there is a Black Lives Matter and people kneel for the national anthem. Prosecutors are out of control. Imagine what it is like if you only can afford a court appointed layer who is going to make $250 for defending you. The fix is in. My wife has a domestic abuse case where the police and prosecution not only over reacted, but the prosecutor withheld evidence. They even admitted this. The result? a new trial (already close to two years in while the victim can't get a decent job) but they also added in resisting arrest and assaulting and officer to send her the message that she should just have pled guilty. My wife has worked on this for months, and will make several hundred dollars.
 
It's really a fundamental flaw in the U.S. system. The whole concept of an adversarial proceeding is based on two things -- a balance of power and two sides acting within certain legal and ethnical boundaries. And both don't exist in the U.S.

Rich people can hire so much legal firepower they can overwhelm a prosecution, but most of the time the imbalance works the other way -- ordinary people may hire an attorney for a few thousand bucks, but a private attorney is seriously outgunned by a prosecution that has extra prosecutors, detectives, analysts, cops at their beck and call.

The second problem -- police and prosecutors lying -- is more serious. Cops have a different idea about lying than most people. I know cops, and many if not most of them think lying is absolutely justified if it gets the right guy locked up, and it's doubly justified if it's protecting a fellow cop. The perps lie, so why shouldn't we -- that's the rationalization.

So the making up of evidence and testimony is endemic. And then the prosecutors -- and this has been demonstrated time and time again -- they don't want to know the cops are lying, but basically they go along with it because they want to win their cases. "Officer of the court" means prosecutors are supposed to uphold the constitution and the law behind the scenes as well as in the courtroom, but in practice this simply does not happen. Prosecutors are conditioned to want to win. Two things cause prosecutors to lose their jobs -- losing cases and being a stickler about little things like made-up evidence.

And then judges -- they tend to be former prosecutors, they have personal relationships with the prosecutors, they don't want to rock the boat. Sure a good judge will call bullshit on a fraudulent case but it is very hazardous to their career so they're not going to do it much. And most don't have the courage to do it at all.

I always thought the system in Europe was kind of strange that the judge and prosecutor is essentially the same person. But it might actually be a better system because that person has complete authority to see that constitution and law and procedures are followed. And judges in Europe don't have to worry about losing elections.
The first problem is a lack of accountability. The police are protected by, and defense paid for, perhaps the most powerful union in the nation. Prosecutors are, for all intents and purpose, immune. You can try to get them disbarred, but the unwritten rules really expose you if you go down that path.

The second is that they are employed by the govt, who has unlimited resources. And, again, will just wear you out (case in point, Curley and Schultz that beat every charge only to FINALLY plead guilty to one misdemeanor after five years and several million spent to prosecute them).
 
This just can't be true. We have by far the best judicial system in the history of the world, or so I've been told numerous times by some on this very board.
 
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