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Beaver Stadium: From Farmer’s College to Cash Cow

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Saw this Poorman article & thought you might find interesting o_O
Beaver Stadium: From Farmer’s College to Cash Cow
by Mike Poorman on March 16, 2017 11:30 PM


Link: http://www.statecollege.com/news/columns/beaver-stadium-from-farmers-college-to-cash-cow,1471585/


The construction of luxury boxes on the east side of Beaver Stadium in 2000. Photo by Greg Grieco, Penn State.
Click photo for gallery

The last time Penn State decided to renovate Beaver Stadium was almost two decades ago.

A lot has happened since then.

This is how that decision was announced, via a Penn State press releasedated May 21, 1998:

"Beaver Stadium Expansion OK'd; 10,000 Seats to be Added by 2001

"To meet the ever-increasing demand for tickets to Penn State football games, the University's Board of Trustees on May 15 approved a major renovation and expansion of Beaver Stadium. The expansion will add nearly 10,000 seats, greatly increase and improve rest-room and concession facilities, improve handicap access and pedestrian circulation patterns, upgrade locker rooms and add new scoreboards with instant-replay capability.

"President Graham B. Spanier, noting the many benefits of the expansion, stressed the access that the University will be able to provide to additional fans.

" 'The football program at Penn State is one of the most popular in the country,' said Spanier. 'This expansion will allow more fans to get tickets, and it will make going to Beaver Stadium a better experience for everyone, with greatly improved restrooms and concession stands. And the good thing for current fans is that the project will be completely self-supporting and will not take funding away from academic programs.'

"The cost of the estimated $84 million project, planned for completion in two construction stages by the 2001 season, will be met by revenue from the lease of skyboxes, club seating receipts, ticket sales from the new seats and other contributions...

"The proposed expansion includes the addition of a second tier in the south end zone that parallels the north addition of 1991, but which includes all chairback seats. It will provide approximately 6,000 general seats and an estimated 4,000 club seats. The construction also includes a minimum of 58 enclosed skyboxes in a three-level pavilion behind the east stands. Revenue from the lease of the skyboxes and the club seats will substantially underwrite the cost of the general seating, as well as the overall amenities, including restrooms, concession stands and circulation patterns...

"The expansion will bring the stadium's seating capacity to approximately 103,500. This will make Beaver Stadium the second largest collegiate stadium behind The University of Michigan, which is expanding to 107,000 seats.

" 'This is an important commitment on the part of the University to the future of Penn State football,' said head Coach Joe Paterno. 'We have the best fans in the country, and now even more of them will be able to get in and see the games in person.' "

AND THEN IT GOT BIGGER...

By June 27, 2001, the project looked like this, according to another Penn State press release:

"Beaver Stadium Expansion and Renovation Project Continues

"The $93 million Beaver Stadium expansion and renovation project continues to move forward on schedule for completion prior to the 2001 season. The seventh expansion of the facility in the Joe Paterno era will add more than 12,000 seats, giving Beaver Stadium the nation's second-largest capacity at 106,537. The first game in the expanded stadium will receive substantial national attention, as the Miami Hurricanes visit on Sept. 1 for the 2001 season opener. The contest will kickoff at 8:00 p.m. and will be an ABC split national telecast. The Penn State-Miami contest will be just the sixth night game in Beaver Stadium history and first since the Nittany Lions hosted Rutgers on Sept. 25, 1993.

"The Beaver Stadium expansion, the seventh since the facility was moved from the West to the East campus in 1960, will include 60 private suites in an East pavilion and 4,000 club seats with access to a South end zone lounge, the Mount Nittany Lounge. The $93 million project includes many improvements to the stadium infrastructure, including new restrooms and concession stands; a new upper concourse; new gates for improved traffic flow into and out of the stadium; upgraded facilities for the team, officials, cheerleaders and other game day activities; an All-Sports museum and improvements to meet ADA standards. The Nittany Lions will have a new locker room and there will be a new media room for the hundreds of media representatives which cover Penn State football.

"As of June 27, only six of the 60 suites were still available for sale. The Beaver Stadium Roar Suites have 12 permanent seats and four portable seats. They are equipped with a leather sofa, a club chair, a cocktail table, an end table, two television sets and a kitchen serving area including a refrigerator with an ice maker. Approximately half of the Club Level locations have been sold..."

MAKING MONEY

So, Penn State re-built it. And the fans came. Attendance soared.

After averaging 95,476 fans per home game in Beaver Stadium in 2000, Penn State jumped to an average of 107,576 in 2001. Beaver Stadium attendance hit its apex in 2007, when Penn State averaged 108,917 fans per home game.

The dollars poured in. By the buckets full. In 2006-07, Penn State athletics made a $4 million profit off of gross revenues of $76.3 million. Football brought in $44 million, had just $14.6 million in expenses, and made a tidy profit of $29.4.

That was only the beginning. In the words of Keith Jackson, then came a "gully washer"— of money.

Five years later, revenues for Penn State athletics had jumped by a cool $40 million, to $116.1 in the fiscal year 2010-11, against expenses of $84.5 million. That left an excess of $31.6 million. JoePa and football hit the mother lode. In Paterno's last full season as head coach (FY 2010-11), Penn State football brought in $72.7 million and spent just $19.5 million. That's a profit of $53.2 million. It's also 70% of the entire budget from just five years prior. Compare that to when Paterno was Penn State's athletic director in 1980-81, when the entire athletic department had a budget of $8 million.

Then, just a year later, the coffers ran dry. In 2011, Penn State instituted its STEP ticketing and seat licensing initiative — the Seat Transfer and Equity Plan, or STEP. Then, the Sandusky scandal hit. And that was that.

ROCK BOTTOM

Beaver Stadium attendance bottomed out at 96,730 for the 2012 season. In 2012-13, the athletic department, besieged by fines and declining football revenues — "just" $52.8 million, but still netting $34 million — reported a loss of almost $6 million.

Over the next few years, buttressed by a $30 million loan from Old Main, growing football revenues and a new management team, Penn State athletics found its feet. It reported an excess of $3.4 million in 2014-15, not counting its debt load, and at the beginning of March 2017, PSU athletics reported that it was about $3 million to the good on revenues of $132 million, an all-time money-making high for Penn State.

But it has come with a price — an all-time spending high. In the fiscal year 2015-16, everything cost more than it did in 2012-13. A lot more:

Coaches' salaries are up 23%, from $20 million to $24.7 million (over $11 million of that is for football, nearly $2 million is for men's basketball and almost $1.7 for women's basketball).

Salaries and benefits for administrators and staff are up over 50%, from $15.1 million to $23 million.

And the money spent on student-athletes — the raison d'etre, after all — is on a big upswing as well. Penn State athletics' spending on tuition, room and board, and books is up over 25%, from $14.8 million to $18.8 million. Meals and snacks now have their own line item, which they did not in 2012-13. Last year, PSU spent $1.346 on athletes' meals and snacks (when not traveling for competition). There's the NCAA-mandated cost of attendance; Penn State pays around $4,800 to the equivalent of each full-time student-athlete (one of the highest rates in all of college sports), at a cost of almost $1.75 million.

So, what was left in the Penn State Intercollegiate Athletic Department coffers on June 30, 2016? A total of $2,898,927, according to the most recent report Penn State filed with the NCAA.

When a near-total reconstruction of Beaver Stadium will likely cost, at minimum, a half-billion dollars — based on what Texas A&M paid for its 90% re-do of Kyle Field a few years ago — that doesn't leave much left as a starting point for any campaign by Sandy Barbour to rebuild Beaver Stadium.

It may take awhile.
 
I'll defer to Art to communicate support for sandy screwface. He can do so far more eloquent than l can.

:)
 
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I'll defer to Art to communicate support for sandy screwface. He can do so far more eloquent than l can.

:)


Gotta spend money to make money so the cash should start pouring in any day now, by the tankful!
 
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Did anybody happen to catch this nugget from the 2001 expansion quote?

The expansion will add nearly 10,000 seats, greatly increase and improve rest-room and concession facilities,...
 
I'll only say this:

Anyone who can look at those numbers - and NOT recognize the Tsunami on the horizon, and know WHY it is on the horizon.......

Is either incapable of the most rudimentary quantitative analysis.....
Or conflicted beyond hope

So be it - if it were not for the fact that:
The folks who will pay the greatest price - in the long run - are the kids.......
I would almost take joy in watching the floor fall out from under the idiots and douchebags.

It is what it is - - - and there is probably no point in even worrying about it.
Too many people are far too stupid - and key people are far too greedy - to prevent the inevitable


"409" Baby!!!!!!! Have a drink!!!!
 
I question the very existence of brick and mortar universities in 20 years- this kind of spending on sports is simply madness. Well, it won't be coming out of my pocket anyway.
 
Saw this Poorman article & thought you might find interesting o_O
Beaver Stadium: From Farmer’s College to Cash Cow
by Mike Poorman on March 16, 2017 11:30 PM


Link: http://www.statecollege.com/news/columns/beaver-stadium-from-farmers-college-to-cash-cow,1471585/


The construction of luxury boxes on the east side of Beaver Stadium in 2000. Photo by Greg Grieco, Penn State.
Click photo for gallery

The last time Penn State decided to renovate Beaver Stadium was almost two decades ago.

A lot has happened since then.

This is how that decision was announced, via a Penn State press releasedated May 21, 1998:

"Beaver Stadium Expansion OK'd; 10,000 Seats to be Added by 2001

"To meet the ever-increasing demand for tickets to Penn State football games, the University's Board of Trustees on May 15 approved a major renovation and expansion of Beaver Stadium. The expansion will add nearly 10,000 seats, greatly increase and improve rest-room and concession facilities, improve handicap access and pedestrian circulation patterns, upgrade locker rooms and add new scoreboards with instant-replay capability.

"President Graham B. Spanier, noting the many benefits of the expansion, stressed the access that the University will be able to provide to additional fans.

" 'The football program at Penn State is one of the most popular in the country,' said Spanier. 'This expansion will allow more fans to get tickets, and it will make going to Beaver Stadium a better experience for everyone, with greatly improved restrooms and concession stands. And the good thing for current fans is that the project will be completely self-supporting and will not take funding away from academic programs.'

"The cost of the estimated $84 million project, planned for completion in two construction stages by the 2001 season, will be met by revenue from the lease of skyboxes, club seating receipts, ticket sales from the new seats and other contributions...

"The proposed expansion includes the addition of a second tier in the south end zone that parallels the north addition of 1991, but which includes all chairback seats. It will provide approximately 6,000 general seats and an estimated 4,000 club seats. The construction also includes a minimum of 58 enclosed skyboxes in a three-level pavilion behind the east stands. Revenue from the lease of the skyboxes and the club seats will substantially underwrite the cost of the general seating, as well as the overall amenities, including restrooms, concession stands and circulation patterns...

"The expansion will bring the stadium's seating capacity to approximately 103,500. This will make Beaver Stadium the second largest collegiate stadium behind The University of Michigan, which is expanding to 107,000 seats.

" 'This is an important commitment on the part of the University to the future of Penn State football,' said head Coach Joe Paterno. 'We have the best fans in the country, and now even more of them will be able to get in and see the games in person.' "

AND THEN IT GOT BIGGER...

By June 27, 2001, the project looked like this, according to another Penn State press release:

"Beaver Stadium Expansion and Renovation Project Continues

"The $93 million Beaver Stadium expansion and renovation project continues to move forward on schedule for completion prior to the 2001 season. The seventh expansion of the facility in the Joe Paterno era will add more than 12,000 seats, giving Beaver Stadium the nation's second-largest capacity at 106,537. The first game in the expanded stadium will receive substantial national attention, as the Miami Hurricanes visit on Sept. 1 for the 2001 season opener. The contest will kickoff at 8:00 p.m. and will be an ABC split national telecast. The Penn State-Miami contest will be just the sixth night game in Beaver Stadium history and first since the Nittany Lions hosted Rutgers on Sept. 25, 1993.

"The Beaver Stadium expansion, the seventh since the facility was moved from the West to the East campus in 1960, will include 60 private suites in an East pavilion and 4,000 club seats with access to a South end zone lounge, the Mount Nittany Lounge. The $93 million project includes many improvements to the stadium infrastructure, including new restrooms and concession stands; a new upper concourse; new gates for improved traffic flow into and out of the stadium; upgraded facilities for the team, officials, cheerleaders and other game day activities; an All-Sports museum and improvements to meet ADA standards. The Nittany Lions will have a new locker room and there will be a new media room for the hundreds of media representatives which cover Penn State football.

"As of June 27, only six of the 60 suites were still available for sale. The Beaver Stadium Roar Suites have 12 permanent seats and four portable seats. They are equipped with a leather sofa, a club chair, a cocktail table, an end table, two television sets and a kitchen serving area including a refrigerator with an ice maker. Approximately half of the Club Level locations have been sold..."

MAKING MONEY

So, Penn State re-built it. And the fans came. Attendance soared.

After averaging 95,476 fans per home game in Beaver Stadium in 2000, Penn State jumped to an average of 107,576 in 2001. Beaver Stadium attendance hit its apex in 2007, when Penn State averaged 108,917 fans per home game.

The dollars poured in. By the buckets full. In 2006-07, Penn State athletics made a $4 million profit off of gross revenues of $76.3 million. Football brought in $44 million, had just $14.6 million in expenses, and made a tidy profit of $29.4.

That was only the beginning. In the words of Keith Jackson, then came a "gully washer"— of money.

Five years later, revenues for Penn State athletics had jumped by a cool $40 million, to $116.1 in the fiscal year 2010-11, against expenses of $84.5 million. That left an excess of $31.6 million. JoePa and football hit the mother lode. In Paterno's last full season as head coach (FY 2010-11), Penn State football brought in $72.7 million and spent just $19.5 million. That's a profit of $53.2 million. It's also 70% of the entire budget from just five years prior. Compare that to when Paterno was Penn State's athletic director in 1980-81, when the entire athletic department had a budget of $8 million.

Then, just a year later, the coffers ran dry. In 2011, Penn State instituted its STEP ticketing and seat licensing initiative — the Seat Transfer and Equity Plan, or STEP. Then, the Sandusky scandal hit. And that was that.

ROCK BOTTOM

Beaver Stadium attendance bottomed out at 96,730 for the 2012 season. In 2012-13, the athletic department, besieged by fines and declining football revenues — "just" $52.8 million, but still netting $34 million — reported a loss of almost $6 million.

Over the next few years, buttressed by a $30 million loan from Old Main, growing football revenues and a new management team, Penn State athletics found its feet. It reported an excess of $3.4 million in 2014-15, not counting its debt load, and at the beginning of March 2017, PSU athletics reported that it was about $3 million to the good on revenues of $132 million, an all-time money-making high for Penn State.

But it has come with a price — an all-time spending high. In the fiscal year 2015-16, everything cost more than it did in 2012-13. A lot more:

Coaches' salaries are up 23%, from $20 million to $24.7 million (over $11 million of that is for football, nearly $2 million is for men's basketball and almost $1.7 for women's basketball).

Salaries and benefits for administrators and staff are up over 50%, from $15.1 million to $23 million.

And the money spent on student-athletes — the raison d'etre, after all — is on a big upswing as well. Penn State athletics' spending on tuition, room and board, and books is up over 25%, from $14.8 million to $18.8 million. Meals and snacks now have their own line item, which they did not in 2012-13. Last year, PSU spent $1.346 on athletes' meals and snacks (when not traveling for competition). There's the NCAA-mandated cost of attendance; Penn State pays around $4,800 to the equivalent of each full-time student-athlete (one of the highest rates in all of college sports), at a cost of almost $1.75 million.

So, what was left in the Penn State Intercollegiate Athletic Department coffers on June 30, 2016? A total of $2,898,927, according to the most recent report Penn State filed with the NCAA.

When a near-total reconstruction of Beaver Stadium will likely cost, at minimum, a half-billion dollars — based on what Texas A&M paid for its 90% re-do of Kyle Field a few years ago — that doesn't leave much left as a starting point for any campaign by Sandy Barbour to rebuild Beaver Stadium.

It may take awhile.
"Salaries and benefits for administrators and staff are up over 50%, from $15.1 million to $23 million". Shocking what the effect is of having an infinite number of Associate Athletic Directors
 
I'll only say this:

Anyone who can look at those numbers - and NOT recognize the Tsunami on the horizon, and know WHY it is on the horizon.......

Is either incapable of the most rudimentary quantitative analysis.....
Or conflicted beyond hope

So be it - if it were not for the fact that:
The folks who will pay the greatest price - in the long run - are the kids.......
I would almost take joy in watching the floor fall out from under the idiots and douchebags.

It is what it is - - - and there is probably no point in even worrying about it.
Too many people are far too stupid - and key people are far too greedy - to prevent the inevitable


"409" Baby!!!!!!! Have a drink!!!!
It just doesn't add up.
 
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Beer and circuses.



** and an edit to say that this is kind of a Hell of a post Tom. I'd have never dug this up myself, so thanks. I'm sure you're also Barry's new hero.
 
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I'll only say this:

Anyone who can look at those numbers - and NOT recognize the Tsunami on the horizon, and know WHY it is on the horizon.......

Is either incapable of the most rudimentary quantitative analysis.....
Or conflicted beyond hope

So be it - if it were not for the fact that:
The folks who will pay the greatest price - in the long run - are the kids.......
I would almost take joy in watching the floor fall out from under the idiots and douchebags.

It is what it is - - - and there is probably no point in even worrying about it.
Too many people are far too stupid - and key people are far too greedy - to prevent the inevitable


"409" Baby!!!!!!! Have a drink!!!!
^^^^^^^^^ This ^^^^^^^^
 
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Beer and circuses.



** and an edit to say that this is kind of a Hell of a post Tom. I'd have never dug this up myself, so thanks. I'm sure you're also Barry's new hero.
Thanks here-beer, I may be someone's fool, but not hero.
Actually the article is a collage or collection of the information Barry posts from time to time about the excessive spending that someone has to pay. Ever wonder why the BOT has been pushing the last couple of decades to make The University a private institution.
 
I think all of you need to concise writing Barry in on your ballot if you care about the Pennsylvania state university.
 
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I question the very existence of brick and mortar universities in 20 years- this kind of spending on sports is simply madness. Well, it won't be coming out of my pocket anyway.

Remember, arguably the GREATEST. INVENTION. EVER. :eek: is the printing press. Just print more money.
 
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I question the very existence of brick and mortar universities in 20 years- this kind of spending on sports is simply madness. Well, it won't be coming out of my pocket anyway.
Yeah Nitt1300. You and Barry and Step got me thinking about this. With the changes coming due to technology, this may be the last big money grab and the money grabbers know it.

Everybody else is just enamored with the new shiny object they can't afford. Sort of like me car shopping.
 
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By the way, has Penn State published the terms of the forthcoming ethical bid process for Master Plan projects?
 
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Yeah Nitt1300. You and Barry and Step got me thinking about this. With the changes coming due to technology, this may be the last big money grab and the money grabbers know it.

Everybody else is just enameled with the new shiny object they can't afford. Sort of like me car shopping.

With me, it's not shiny cars, but high maintenance women. Especially, those gorgeous - out of my league - Latin beauties I can't afford, but want them anyway.

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I think all of you need to concise writing Barry in on your ballot if you care about the Pennsylvania state university.
The idea that anybody elected by the alumni will have any influence in that snake pit is, unfortunately, sadly mistaken.
 
The idea that anybody elected by the alumni will have any influence in that snake pit is, unfortunately, sadly mistaken.
To date:

You are - undoubtably - correct

To date:

Alumni have yet to elect - undoubtably - a single representative how has stood for ethical, righteous, responsible governance


So - we really can't say whether "it" (having one or more responsible stewards on the PSU BOT) would/could have an impact or not.


Who's fault is that?
 
At the risk of hijacking this thread, I wonder if anyone, particularly in Old Main, has noticed the storm threatening a much larger PSU cash cow, research?
 
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At the risk of hijacking this thread, I wonder if anyone, particularly in Old Main, has noticed the storm threatening a much larger PSU cash cow, research?
PA voters were part of the problem, so it will be poetic justice, I suppose
 
I was under the impression that the research monies generated to the B1G universities was the primary reason we entered the conference, football was a bonus.

Nothing to worry about. PSU's membership in the Big Ten Academic Alliance will shield it from potential fallout........ or so I am lectured to again, and again, and again.
 
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At the risk of hijacking this thread, I wonder if anyone, particularly in Old Main, has noticed the storm threatening a much larger PSU cash cow, research?
Interesting you should mention:

Prior to 2011, for 10 years, that was the topic we discussed in my "Governance" lecture (that was part of the subject matter for the class I led)

When we discussed how FUBAR the PSU Governance Structure was (the BOT).......and how utterly incapable they would likely be in responding to any University-level "crisis".....the "crisis" we used as an example (interestingly - we did not expect it to be a "Sandusky" situation :) ) was the loss - or significant reduction - in Government Sponsored University Research (much of it "pork" research) - - - - and how "effective" such as dysfunctional governance board would be in addressing that type of issue.

I do expect a financial issue of that level is likely somewhere in the future for PSU (and other similar Universities).

To think that - as presently constituted - the PSU BOT will do anything OTHER THAN turn any problem into a full-blown disaster...... is just naive (and, really, stupid)

Alas - what are the chances we will still have a FUBAR governance board when THAT tsunami hits?
A tsunami which we have already made that much more (potentially) destructive - - - thanks to the indisciplined (to say the least) bloating and waste of the operation and capital budgets?


It will be a blood bath
 
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Interesting you should mention:

Prior to 2011, for 10 years, that was the topic we discussed in my "Governance" lecture (that was part of the subject matter for the class I led)

When we discussed how FUBAR the PSU Governance Structure was (the BOT).......and how utterly incapable they would likely be in responding to any University-level "crisis".....the "crisis" we used as an example (interestingly - we did not expect it to be a "Sandusky" situation :) ) was the loss - or significant reduction - in Government Sponsored University Research (much of it "pork" research) - - - - and how "effective" such as dysfunctional governance board would be in addressing that type of issue.

I do expect a financial issue of that level is likely somewhere in the future for PSU (and other similar Universities).

To think that - as presently constituted - the PSU BOT will do anything OTHER THAN turn any problem into a full-blown disaster...... is just naive (and, really, stupid)

Alas - what are the chances we will still have a FUBAR governance board when THAT tsunami hits?
A tsunami which we have already made that much more (potentially) destructive - - - thanks to the indisciplined (to say the least) bloating and waste of the operation and capital budgets?


It will be a blood bath

To bring this back to the question at hand, is this a time that Penn State should be undertaking major capital spending on it's athletic program, much of which will result in negative cash flow?
 
Nothing to worry about. PSU's membership in the Big Ten Academic Alliance will shield it from potential fallout........ or so I am lectured to again, and again, and again.
Money, money, money....
Link:
http://www.bestcolleges.com/features/colleges-with-highest-research-and-development-expenditures/



#18.....PENN STATE UNIVERSITY
In 2012, nearly one-third of Penn State’s R&D budget went toward projects related to life sciences (medical science alone claimed more than $110 million). Beyond that, engineering fields were given the most individual R&D support; electrical, mechanical, and metallurgical/materials engineering each received at least $70 million.

Total R&D Expenditure: $797,679

  • Science: $485,083
  • Engineering: $298,811
  • Other: $13,785
Funding Sources (thousands of dollars):

  • Federal government: $531,421
  • State and local government: $47,402
  • Institution funds: $138,999
  • Businesses: $36,973
  • Nonprofit organizations: $38,626
  • Other donors: $4,258
 
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To bring this back to the question at hand, is this a time that Penn State should be undertaking major capital spending on it's athletic program, much of which will result in negative cash flow?
No, but "alea iacta est."
 
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No, but "alea iacta est."
" the die is cast"....cool. I like it
In the metaphorical phrase, die refers to a numbered cube used in gaming (the singular of dice), and cast means thrown. The phrase is attributed to Julius Caesar, who reportedly said it (in Latin) as he crossed the Rubicon river with one of his legions to start the civil war that would bring him to power.
 
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To bring this back to the question at hand, is this a time that Penn State should be undertaking major capital spending on it's athletic program, much of which will result in negative cash flow?
clearly not
 
Money, money, money....
Link:
http://www.bestcolleges.com/features/colleges-with-highest-research-and-development-expenditures/



#18.....PENN STATE UNIVERSITY
In 2012, nearly one-third of Penn State’s R&D budget went toward projects related to life sciences (medical science alone claimed more than $110 million). Beyond that, engineering fields were given the most individual R&D support; electrical, mechanical, and metallurgical/materials engineering each received at least $70 million.

Total R&D Expenditure: $797,679

  • Science: $485,083
  • Engineering: $298,811
  • Other: $13,785
Funding Sources (thousands of dollars):

  • Federal government: $531,421
  • State and local government: $47,402
  • Institution funds: $138,999
  • Businesses: $36,973
  • Nonprofit organizations: $38,626
  • Other donors: $4,258
^^^^^. Anyone see any reason for concern? :) ^^^^
 
I know thirty-six people who don't see any reason for concern :rolleyes:

Hell, none of them......NONE of them, are likely even aware of the situation o_O
And that's the God's honest truth.


"409" Baby!!!!!!!!
Only with BIG commitments is this feasible.
 
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