And the fact that Gary didn’t inform Harmon is why he failed and everyone down the chain failed.
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he was, and would be today, compelled to report it to the AD and someone outside the sports vertical then get out of the way. By that, respond to requests.
No....nobody "down the chain" failed. If my CEO forgets to file his 10K, I did not fail.
your conflating issues, probably on purpose.
Joe's responsibility and legal obligation was to report this to the AD and someone out of the vertical...he did that.
Curley's responsibility was to report it to Schultz.
Schutz responsibility was to handle it from there. he reported it to TSM and warned JS. i agree, that wasn't enough.
And because Gary failed, the whole group failed. And when the whole group saw Jerry in subsequent years, no effort was made to correct the failure.
I'm sure somewhere in your 13,000+ posts you did. So I'm going to say you did, just as I'm going to say you think Paterno should have been tried. Because if you get to make up shit, we all get to make up shit.
In fact...would love to hear what an HR Specialist has to say on this...from the Companies/Corporations I have worked with...who take such issues very seriously amongst other concerns in the workplace ( Harassment etc)....they tell you to report immediately the incident immediately to you superiors ( in person , written form etc)...then back off and let the experts handle.
In this case..what MM shared was not facts...in fact he said several different things including what he shared with his Dad and Drano.
A company also wants to protect itself from any false accusations against an employee...totally reasonable...think this is just basic protocol...
No...erstwhile responsible and trusted people were trusted to have done their jobs. Again, if my CEO doesn't submit the 10K, I may remind him of it, but beyond that, I don't swim in his lane.
The NCAA, after a few years of study and then after Baylor, released guidelines to coaches to tell them to report it and get out of the way. To be cooperative with those who are responsible but, other than that, disconnect from the situation.
Even if I had knowledge, my only course of action would be to say "hey, don't forget to file the 10K". If he says "got it, thanks", I am done.
You're being intentionally obtuse. I honestly do not know the make up of the Penn State orginazational chart now or what it looked like then. Was Schultz on the same level of administration as Curley? If so, why do you say it's more than bringing it to Tim Curley? Is it because Schultz was the administrator over top of the police department?
The larger mistake you are making here is in thinking that everybody has the same level of culpability within the chain of command. They do not. The idea is to get it to the person who is ultimately responsible for handling the situation. Which is what happened.
Going on the assumption that what McQueary claims to have reported ten years later is what he reported to people at the time- which is a major leap in my opinion but let's go with it- the responsibility lies largely in the hands of three individuals. Schultz, Curley, and more than anybody else, McQueary himself.
Schultz was above Curley. While not exactly the same, Schultz’s role at PSU is akin to a CFO.
So I will ask you again, was reporting it to Schultz the same as reporting it to somebody at his level of administration (assuming there were others at his level of administration)? If not, what makes reporting it to Schultz a better option?
I will add to this that I don't put same "troll" label on jive that many on here do. In my time reading his/her posts he/she has been consistent with his/her logic with an occasional divergence which surely we all have here from time to time. The reason I choose to engage with him/her is that I believe there is room for a largely reasonable discussion with him/her.
I will add to this that I don't put same "troll" label on jive that many on here do. In my time reading his/her posts he/she has been consistent with his/her logic with an occasional divergence which surely we all have here from time to time. The reason I choose to engage with him/her is that I believe there is room for a largely reasonable discussion with him/her.
they didn't report to one another, did they? I understand that Schultz may have been senior, but they were in different vertical structures. Schultz didn't oversee sports.
I believe that Athletics is under Auxiliary Businesses which is under Business and Finance which was under Schultz. Gary was included because he was Tim’s boss not because of his affiliation with PSU police.
That is not how I understand it but are not sure. My understanding is that Curley reported to someone else. the someone else was the person in charge of all facilities. Schultz had finance and security, which isn't uncommon. However, Schultz reported directly to Spanier and also had more lucrative "committee" assignments.
But again, won't argue the point because I am not sure.
Who was the administrator in charge of Auxillary Businesses and why wasn't that person involved if Joe was trying to get the next person in the chain of command involved?
A coach can not perform any playing duties on the field so if there’s a problem with something a player is doing it shouldn’t be reported to the coach. Ok, gotcha.
I have ignored many posters for years, but never used the ignore feature until today. GMJ=gibbering douche. Waste of time.
A well thought out response...of course I wouldn’t expect anything more from someone with your obvious lack of intellect.
I will ask this again here since you may have missed it earlier jive:
Who was the administrator in charge of Auxillary Businesses and why wasn't that person involved if Joe was trying to get the next person in the chain of command involved?
Who was the administrator in charge of Auxillary Businesses and why wasn't that person involved if Joe was trying to get the next person in the chain of command involved?
Jive - when are you going to stop with your "jive"
You are so far in the wrong on this it isn't even funny - you just don't know what you are talking about in this arena so you should seriously just stop
SSSSSTTTTTOOOOOPPPPP with your BS already - you are over the line and have no idea what you are talking about
Its not hypocritical at all
Joe Did what he should have with that information in his role at that time
real that whole statement slowly and let it sink in
Lou Anna presided over the worst scandal in HISTORY after it was REPORTED TO THEM MULTIPLE TIMES .........................
So in simple terms for you
* Joe was RIGHT (and should be defended)
* Lou Anna was WRONG (and should be fired)
This is why people think that “JoeBots” are crazy. You won’t even accept the man’s testimony because it ruins your whole narrative.
Just saw the MSU story on the local news crawl in Austin - first time I’ve seen it on local news.
Lou Anna - it ain’t going away. Start preparing your resignation baby
Lou Anna - it ain’t going away. Start preparing your resignation baby
And that's why people think you are.
I'm not a "JoeBot" - I'm a professional in this field and I'm telling you that you are wrong - i'm not giving you an opinion, I'm telling you that you are wrooonnngggg
