For those interested in BOT malfeasance.......

[bjf1984]

Regarding the Toll Brothers/Peetz/BOT boondoggle land deal:

(you can sign the petition here: https://www.change.org/p/ferguson-t...c&utm_source=petition_update&utm_medium=email)


Letter from K Watt to our esteemed "ethics guru" (Regis Becker):



SUBJECT: ISSUE FOR INVESTIGATION BY PENN STATE OFFICE OF ETHICS AND COMPLIANCE

From: Katherine Watt [mailto:katherine_watt@hotmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2015 9:07 AM
To: Becker, Regis
Cc: Watson, Steve; Sieminski, Daniel; Gray, David; Gray, Margaret; Office of the President; lmd242@gmail.com; terrymelton321@gmail.com

Dear Mr. Becker
In your capacity as Penn State's Chief Ethics and Compliance Officer, please investigate the highly conflicted land flipping cycle between Penn State, Toll Brothers, and BNY MELLON, and highly conflicted rezoning cycle between Penn State, the Centre Region Council of Governments, and the Ferguson Township Board of Supervisors.
Both are essential elements of the current Penn State-sponsored endangerment of public water supplies serving 75,000 State College area residents: the Harter and Thomas wells owned and operated by the State College Borough Water Authority.
Below is a list of facts that may be useful to you as you begin your investigation. Please feel free to contact me for additional information as needed. Source documents collected by concerned citizens are also posted online for convenient reference.

Thank you very much.
Katherine Watt

FACTS:
In 1999, Penn State bought roughly 26 acres of the now 45-acre parcel near the intersection of Whitehall Road and Blue Course Drive, from the RK Mellon Foundation – a subsidiary of BNY Mellon - for $99.307.
At the time, it was zoned Rural Agricultural.
In 2004, Ferguson Township supervisors rezoned the 26-acre parcel to R4-multifamily residential, in response to an application from Penn State submitted by Dan Sieminski, and against the strong objections of regional planners Sebastian DeGregorio and Robert Crum.
On May 4, 2012, the Penn State Board of Trustees entered a sales agreement with Toll Brothers (dba Springton Pointe LP) to sell the 45-acre site for $13.5 million.
At the time of the trustees’ sales approval, KAREN PEETZ was simultaniously serving as Chair of the Penn State Board of Trustees, and Vice Chair of BNY Mellon.
At the time of the trustees’ sale approval, BNY MELLON was the seventh-largest shareholder in the Toll Brothers corporation.
The 2004 zoning change by the Ferguson Township Board of Supervisors added roughly $13,400,000 to the market value of the land.
On September 20, 2013, the Penn State Board of Trustees added an adjacent 5.5 acres, zoned Rural Agricultural, to the $13.5 million sale to Toll Brothers.
In the Fall 2014 - RK Mellon Foundation gave a $250,000 grant to Clearwater Conservancy for two years of streambank restoration projects.
At the time of the donation, Clearwater Board President Steve Miller was simultaneously serving as a member of the Ferguson Township Board of Supervisors, which was then beginning their review of the Penn State/Toll Brothers development application.
Other Penn State-affiliated members of the ClearWater Conservancy Board include: Steve Maruszewski, Assistant Vice President for Physical Plant, who reports to David Gray; Erik Foley, Managing Director at Penn State's Sustainability Institute; Kelleann Foster, Associate Professor of Landscape Architecture; and Margaret Brittingham, Professor of Wildlife Resources.
ClearWater Conservancy has made no moves to stop the project as a threat to public drinking water supplies.
Toll Brothers plans to charge $500 - $900 per bed per month for Penn State students to live at the development. Annual anticipated rental income to Toll Brothers and investors, at an average $750 per bed per month, times 1,093 beds, times 12 months per year, is $9,837,000.
Toll Brothers is currently planning to use the 5.5 acres added to the sales package in 2013 for stormwater detention.
The 5.5-acre parcel sits outside the 2013 Regional Growth Boundary/Sewer Service Area.
The 2013 Centre Region Comprehensive Plan identifies the land as agricultural security land to be preserved for agricultural uses.
Stormwater detention is not a legal use of RA land under the Ferguson Township zoning code. (Chapter 27, Section 301), yet the Ferguson Township Board of Supervisors – including Steve Miller – has made no moves to stop the project as illegal.
High density development is not a COG-condoned activity on land outside the RGB/SSA, under the Centre Region Comprehensive Plan.
Steve Watson, a Penn State University Planner, simultaneously serves as chair of the Centre Region Council of Governments Planning Commission. Watson, as a OPP employee, reports to David Gray.
The Centre Region Council of Governments Planning Commission – under Chairman Steve Watson – has made no moves to stop the project as incompatible with regional planning frameworks.
The land sale is not yet final and can be stopped by Penn State. The sale is contingent on successful permitting for the development, which is still under review by the Ferguson Township Board of Supervisors.

From: Becker,Regis(rwb32@psu.edu)
Sent: Thu7/02/159:17AM
To: Katherine Watt (katherine_watt@hotmail.com)
Cc: Watson, Steve (saw157@psu.edu); Sieminski, Daniel (DWS8@psu.edu); Gray, David
(djg36@psu.edu); Gray, Margaret (mng10@psu.edu); Office of the President (president@psu.edu); lmd242@gmail.com (lmd242@gmail.com); terrymelton321@gmail.com (terrymelton321@gmail.com)

Ms. Watt,
I am in receipt of your note and will begin an inquiry. Feel free to send any additional clarifying information relevant to this matter.

Thank you,

Regis W. Becker
Chief Ethics & Compliance Officer
The Pennsylvania State University
333 Elliott Bldg.
814‐865‐8353


I'm sure Regis has full authority to investigate this situation. Completely and without prejudice.

 

[NittPicker]

Ethics and compliance when a current or former BoT member is involved??

 

[lionlurker]

I'd be more shocked if there was no malfeasance.

 

[eloracv]

From Katherine Watt...

Penn State Ethics & Compliance Brief July 2, 2015/KW

Regis Becker was appointed to serve as Penn State’s first Chief Ethics & Compliance Officer in 2013. He reports to Finance & Business Vice President David Gray.

Becker wrote a June 18 letter to the Centre Daily Times, in response to Barry Fenchak’s June 4 letter and Lee Samuel Finn’s June 10 letter regarding whistleblower intimidation at Penn State. Becker urged “anyone who has witnessed or suspects illegal, unethical or unsafe conduct to report it promptly so that it may be addressed” and stated that “the university will not tolerate wrongful conduct.”

To test the hypothesis that David Gray, and the Office of Finance & Business, are exempt from ethical oversight, I’ve asked Becker to investigate the highly conflicted land flipping cycle between Penn State, Toll Brothers, and BNY Mellon, and highly conflicted rezoning cycle between Penn State, the Ferguson Township Board of Supervisors, and the Centre Region Planning Commission.

Both are essential elements of the current Penn State-sponsored endangerment of public water supplies serving 75,000 State College area residents: the Harter and Thomas wells owned and operated by the State College Borough Water Authority.

SIDE NOTE:

The Ferguson Township Board of Supervisors and the State College Borough Water Authority Board will meet in a joint work session to discuss the proposed Penn State/Toll Brothers high-density luxury student housing development in the Zone 2 water recharge area for the Harter and Thomas drinking water wells on Tuesday, July 7 at 6 p.m. at the Ferguson Township Municipal Building, 3147 Research Drive.

 

[eloracv]

...and Ms Peetz will most likely be rewarded for her complicity by being made an emerita trustee.

 

[eloracv]

...and Ms Peetz will most likely be rewarded for her complicity by being made an emerita trustee.

Regarding the Toll Brothers/Peetz/BOT boondoggle land deal:

(you can sign the petition here: https://www.change.org/p/ferguson-t...c&utm_source=petition_update&utm_medium=email)


Letter from K Watt to our esteemed "ethics guru" (Regis Becker):



SUBJECT: ISSUE FOR INVESTIGATION BY PENN STATE OFFICE OF ETHICS AND COMPLIANCE

From: Katherine Watt [mailto:katherine_watt@hotmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2015 9:07 AM
To: Becker, Regis
Cc: Watson, Steve; Sieminski, Daniel; Gray, David; Gray, Margaret; Office of the President; lmd242@gmail.com; terrymelton321@gmail.com

Dear Mr. Becker
In your capacity as Penn State's Chief Ethics and Compliance Officer, please investigate the highly conflicted land flipping cycle between Penn State, Toll Brothers, and BNY MELLON, and highly conflicted rezoning cycle between Penn State, the Centre Region Council of Governments, and the Ferguson Township Board of Supervisors.
Both are essential elements of the current Penn State-sponsored endangerment of public water supplies serving 75,000 State College area residents: the Harter and Thomas wells owned and operated by the State College Borough Water Authority.
Below is a list of facts that may be useful to you as you begin your investigation. Please feel free to contact me for additional information as needed. Source documents collected by concerned citizens are also posted online for convenient reference.

Thank you very much.
Katherine Watt

FACTS:
In 1999, Penn State bought roughly 26 acres of the now 45-acre parcel near the intersection of Whitehall Road and Blue Course Drive, from the RK Mellon Foundation – a subsidiary of BNY Mellon - for $99.307.
At the time, it was zoned Rural Agricultural.
In 2004, Ferguson Township supervisors rezoned the 26-acre parcel to R4-multifamily residential, in response to an application from Penn State submitted by Dan Sieminski, and against the strong objections of regional planners Sebastian DeGregorio and Robert Crum.
On May 4, 2012, the Penn State Board of Trustees entered a sales agreement with Toll Brothers (dba Springton Pointe LP) to sell the 45-acre site for $13.5 million.
At the time of the trustees’ sales approval, KAREN PEETZ was simultaniously serving as Chair of the Penn State Board of Trustees, and Vice Chair of BNY Mellon.
At the time of the trustees’ sale approval, BNY MELLON was the seventh-largest shareholder in the Toll Brothers corporation.
The 2004 zoning change by the Ferguson Township Board of Supervisors added roughly $13,400,000 to the market value of the land.
On September 20, 2013, the Penn State Board of Trustees added an adjacent 5.5 acres, zoned Rural Agricultural, to the $13.5 million sale to Toll Brothers.
In the Fall 2014 - RK Mellon Foundation gave a $250,000 grant to Clearwater Conservancy for two years of streambank restoration projects.
At the time of the donation, Clearwater Board President Steve Miller was simultaneously serving as a member of the Ferguson Township Board of Supervisors, which was then beginning their review of the Penn State/Toll Brothers development application.
Other Penn State-affiliated members of the ClearWater Conservancy Board include: Steve Maruszewski, Assistant Vice President for Physical Plant, who reports to David Gray; Erik Foley, Managing Director at Penn State's Sustainability Institute; Kelleann Foster, Associate Professor of Landscape Architecture; and Margaret Brittingham, Professor of Wildlife Resources.
ClearWater Conservancy has made no moves to stop the project as a threat to public drinking water supplies.
Toll Brothers plans to charge $500 - $900 per bed per month for Penn State students to live at the development. Annual anticipated rental income to Toll Brothers and investors, at an average $750 per bed per month, times 1,093 beds, times 12 months per year, is $9,837,000.
Toll Brothers is currently planning to use the 5.5 acres added to the sales package in 2013 for stormwater detention.
The 5.5-acre parcel sits outside the 2013 Regional Growth Boundary/Sewer Service Area.
The 2013 Centre Region Comprehensive Plan identifies the land as agricultural security land to be preserved for agricultural uses.
Stormwater detention is not a legal use of RA land under the Ferguson Township zoning code. (Chapter 27, Section 301), yet the Ferguson Township Board of Supervisors – including Steve Miller – has made no moves to stop the project as illegal.
High density development is not a COG-condoned activity on land outside the RGB/SSA, under the Centre Region Comprehensive Plan.
Steve Watson, a Penn State University Planner, simultaneously serves as chair of the Centre Region Council of Governments Planning Commission. Watson, as a OPP employee, reports to David Gray.
The Centre Region Council of Governments Planning Commission – under Chairman Steve Watson – has made no moves to stop the project as incompatible with regional planning frameworks.
The land sale is not yet final and can be stopped by Penn State. The sale is contingent on successful permitting for the development, which is still under review by the Ferguson Township Board of Supervisors.

From: Becker,Regis(rwb32@psu.edu)
Sent: Thu7/02/159:17AM
To: Katherine Watt (katherine_watt@hotmail.com)
Cc: Watson, Steve (saw157@psu.edu); Sieminski, Daniel (DWS8@psu.edu); Gray, David
(djg36@psu.edu); Gray, Margaret (mng10@psu.edu); Office of the President (president@psu.edu); lmd242@gmail.com (lmd242@gmail.com); terrymelton321@gmail.com (terrymelton321@gmail.com)

Ms. Watt,
I am in receipt of your note and will begin an inquiry. Feel free to send any additional clarifying information relevant to this matter.

Thank you,

Regis W. Becker
Chief Ethics & Compliance Officer
The Pennsylvania State University
333 Elliott Bldg.
814‐865‐8353


I'm sure Regis has full authority to investigate this situation. Completely and without prejudice.

 

[Ten Thousan Marbles]

Regarding the Toll Brothers/Peetz/BOT boondoggle land deal:

(you can sign the petition here: https://www.change.org/p/ferguson-t...c&utm_source=petition_update&utm_medium=email)


Letter from K Watt to our esteemed "ethics guru" (Regis Becker):



SUBJECT: ISSUE FOR INVESTIGATION BY PENN STATE OFFICE OF ETHICS AND COMPLIANCE

From: Katherine Watt [mailto:katherine_watt@hotmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2015 9:07 AM
To: Becker, Regis
Cc: Watson, Steve; Sieminski, Daniel; Gray, David; Gray, Margaret; Office of the President; lmd242@gmail.com; terrymelton321@gmail.com

Dear Mr. Becker
In your capacity as Penn State's Chief Ethics and Compliance Officer, please investigate the highly conflicted land flipping cycle between Penn State, Toll Brothers, and BNY MELLON, and highly conflicted rezoning cycle between Penn State, the Centre Region Council of Governments, and the Ferguson Township Board of Supervisors.
Both are essential elements of the current Penn State-sponsored endangerment of public water supplies serving 75,000 State College area residents: the Harter and Thomas wells owned and operated by the State College Borough Water Authority.
Below is a list of facts that may be useful to you as you begin your investigation. Please feel free to contact me for additional information as needed. Source documents collected by concerned citizens are also posted online for convenient reference.

Thank you very much.
Katherine Watt

FACTS:
In 1999, Penn State bought roughly 26 acres of the now 45-acre parcel near the intersection of Whitehall Road and Blue Course Drive, from the RK Mellon Foundation – a subsidiary of BNY Mellon - for $99.307.
At the time, it was zoned Rural Agricultural.
In 2004, Ferguson Township supervisors rezoned the 26-acre parcel to R4-multifamily residential, in response to an application from Penn State submitted by Dan Sieminski, and against the strong objections of regional planners Sebastian DeGregorio and Robert Crum.
On May 4, 2012, the Penn State Board of Trustees entered a sales agreement with Toll Brothers (dba Springton Pointe LP) to sell the 45-acre site for $13.5 million.
At the time of the trustees’ sales approval, KAREN PEETZ was simultaniously serving as Chair of the Penn State Board of Trustees, and Vice Chair of BNY Mellon.
At the time of the trustees’ sale approval, BNY MELLON was the seventh-largest shareholder in the Toll Brothers corporation.
The 2004 zoning change by the Ferguson Township Board of Supervisors added roughly $13,400,000 to the market value of the land.
On September 20, 2013, the Penn State Board of Trustees added an adjacent 5.5 acres, zoned Rural Agricultural, to the $13.5 million sale to Toll Brothers.
In the Fall 2014 - RK Mellon Foundation gave a $250,000 grant to Clearwater Conservancy for two years of streambank restoration projects.
At the time of the donation, Clearwater Board President Steve Miller was simultaneously serving as a member of the Ferguson Township Board of Supervisors, which was then beginning their review of the Penn State/Toll Brothers development application.
Other Penn State-affiliated members of the ClearWater Conservancy Board include: Steve Maruszewski, Assistant Vice President for Physical Plant, who reports to David Gray; Erik Foley, Managing Director at Penn State's Sustainability Institute; Kelleann Foster, Associate Professor of Landscape Architecture; and Margaret Brittingham, Professor of Wildlife Resources.
ClearWater Conservancy has made no moves to stop the project as a threat to public drinking water supplies.
Toll Brothers plans to charge $500 - $900 per bed per month for Penn State students to live at the development. Annual anticipated rental income to Toll Brothers and investors, at an average $750 per bed per month, times 1,093 beds, times 12 months per year, is $9,837,000.
Toll Brothers is currently planning to use the 5.5 acres added to the sales package in 2013 for stormwater detention.
The 5.5-acre parcel sits outside the 2013 Regional Growth Boundary/Sewer Service Area.
The 2013 Centre Region Comprehensive Plan identifies the land as agricultural security land to be preserved for agricultural uses.
Stormwater detention is not a legal use of RA land under the Ferguson Township zoning code. (Chapter 27, Section 301), yet the Ferguson Township Board of Supervisors – including Steve Miller – has made no moves to stop the project as illegal.
High density development is not a COG-condoned activity on land outside the RGB/SSA, under the Centre Region Comprehensive Plan.
Steve Watson, a Penn State University Planner, simultaneously serves as chair of the Centre Region Council of Governments Planning Commission. Watson, as a OPP employee, reports to David Gray.
The Centre Region Council of Governments Planning Commission – under Chairman Steve Watson – has made no moves to stop the project as incompatible with regional planning frameworks.
The land sale is not yet final and can be stopped by Penn State. The sale is contingent on successful permitting for the development, which is still under review by the Ferguson Township Board of Supervisors.

From: Becker,Regis(rwb32@psu.edu)
Sent: Thu7/02/159:17AM
To: Katherine Watt (katherine_watt@hotmail.com)
Cc: Watson, Steve (saw157@psu.edu); Sieminski, Daniel (DWS8@psu.edu); Gray, David
(djg36@psu.edu); Gray, Margaret (mng10@psu.edu); Office of the President (president@psu.edu); lmd242@gmail.com (lmd242@gmail.com); terrymelton321@gmail.com (terrymelton321@gmail.com)

Ms. Watt,
I am in receipt of your note and will begin an inquiry. Feel free to send any additional clarifying information relevant to this matter.

Thank you,

Regis W. Becker
Chief Ethics & Compliance Officer
The Pennsylvania State University
333 Elliott Bldg.
814‐865‐8353


I'm sure Regis has full authority to investigate this situation. Completely and without prejudice.

Is this the same Steve Miller who is currently Chairman of one of the county's political parties, and also an employee of our well-known hotelier?

 

[Cruising Route 66]

Regarding the Toll Brothers/Peetz/BOT boondoggle land deal:

At the time of the trustees’ sales approval, KAREN PEETZ was simultaniously serving as Chair of the Penn State Board of Trustees, and Vice Chair of BNY Mellon.

Hey Hop Sing. What's the purpose of this post other than to clutter up the board with more nonsense that no one really gives a crap about? Did Ben give you the day off?

And tell your friend Katy she needs to check her facts because what she said above about Peetz isn't true.

 

[lionlurker]

Heard an interesting theory about your mother the other day, CR. It involves alcohol and a monkey.

 

[bjf1984]

Heard an interesting theory about your mother the other day, CR. It involves alcohol and a monkey.

The monkey would HAVE TO be drunk.

 

[19psu97]

Unfortunately I have to agree with CR on this one... there are several "facts" that are incorrect in KW's posts... and most of SC land is in zone 2 well head protection. ...

 

[19psu97]

Also, her (and some of her friends) ranting personal attacks on people seem a little psychotic.

 

[bjf1984]

Unfortunately I have to agree with CR on this one... there are several "facts" that are incorrect in KW's posts... and most of SC land is in zone 2 well head protection. ...

 

[19psu97]

That's fine. I'm just pointing out that it's best to aim before you shoot and use a rifle with a scope in these situations rather than to publicly (on a blog) accuse upstanding ethical people who take pride in their work and personally attack them and harrass them about their job rather just to take down the target...shotgun approach.
I'm sick of the slander that goes on that hurt innocent people just to promote a pet cause. These people call someone a bold face liar on a blog one day and then the next day they are raining accolades on the same someone to get what they want.
And I am not defending anyone on the BOT or really anyone in executive positions at the University as they get paid well to deal with this kind of crap (much like at any major corp).

 

[psuguy04]

That's fine. I'm just pointing out that it's best to aim before you shoot and use a rifle with a scope in these situations rather than to publicly (on a blog) accuse upstanding ethical people who take pride in their work and personally attack them and harrass them about their job rather just to take down the target...shotgun approach.
I'm sick of the slander that goes on that hurt innocent people just to promote a pet cause. These people call someone a bold face liar on a blog one day and then the next day they are raining accolades on the same someone to get what they want.
And I am not defending anyone on the BOT or really anyone in executive positions at the University as they get paid well to deal with this kind of crap (much like at any major corp).

Stop making sense. It's frowned upon around these parts.

 

[NapaNit]

Hey Hop Sing. What's the purpose of this post other than to clutter up the board with more nonsense that no one really gives a crap about? Did Ben give you the day off?

And tell your friend Katy she needs to check her facts because what she said above about Peetz isn't true.

Hop Sing.....Buckwheat, Farina, Stymie,..........not meaning to be too PC on you Cruise, but I've got some friends out here that would put a pipe in your head for staying with that term. Why not a change-up on your part?

 

[bjf1984]

That's fine. I'm just pointing out that it's best to aim before you shoot and use a rifle with a scope in these situations rather than to publicly (on a blog) accuse upstanding ethical people who take pride in their work and personally attack them and harrass them about their job rather just to take down the target...shotgun approach.
I'm sick of the slander that goes on that hurt innocent people just to promote a pet cause. These people call someone a bold face liar on a blog one day and then the next day they are raining accolades on the same someone to get what they want.
And I am not defending anyone on the BOT or really anyone in executive positions at the University as they get paid well to deal with this kind of crap (much like at any major corp).

Fine. The PSU BOT and administration is constipated with Crooks, Scoundrels, Thieves, Bloviators, Con Men, and generally evil disgusting scumbags.
You may call that SLANDER ,,,,,,, I call it "reading their resumes".

And the same goes for their empty suit toadies.

If that hits too close to home for you, my condolences........ But not my apologies.


Just a slight difference of opinion

 

[19psu97]

Fine. The PSU BOT and administration is constipated with Crooks, Scoundrels, Thieves, Bloviators, Con Men, and generally evil disgusting scumbags.
You may call that SLANDER ,,,,,,, I call it "reading their resumes".

And the same goes for their empty suit toadies.

If that hits too close to home for you, my condolences........ But not my apologies.


Just a slight difference of opinion

You have no idea what you are talking about when it comes to the people I am talking about. Just because someone works at PSU and isn't against the feasibility of the Toll bros property doesn't make them corrupt or a toadie. With ur logic guilty by association then no one should work for psu. I am not talking about the property transaction as many people she targets have nothing to do with that. You are wearing your blinders out of hatred for everything BOT as well.
I am not the friend of any BOT or PSU exec but I really doubt you care about anything except for your own agenda.

 

[19psu97]

And bjf I used to think you were going somewhere with your posts and had a noble cause. Until I now realized you just want to drop the H bomb on the entire university. That's not noble as it is not necessary.

 

[bjf1984]

And bjf I used to think you were going somewhere with your posts and had a noble cause. Until I now realized you just want to drop the H bomb on the entire university. That's not noble as it is not necessary.

You're nutz.....and/or completely misreading the situation.

To adapt your analogy, what I - and many others - would love to see is a NEUTRON BOMB dropped, not an atomic bomb.
A neutron bomb - that destroys the enemy......but leaves the infrastructure intact.

So - you should see - you are being critical of something that I would also be critical of (and, in fact, am working in direct opposition to - since it is the BOT Scoundrels and the toady Administrators who are acting to destroy indiscriminately)......but in your own mind projecting entirely different motivations.

That is a "you" problem.....not a "me" problem

There are thousands of good people at the University. There are thousands of wonderful, bright students at the University.
Those are the people, among others, that we should all be fighting for.
Whatever I try to do.....it is with all of those folks in mind.

But the folks who control this University......and their morally-bankrupt vacuous enablers - many of whom sit in positions of supposed "leadership"? Screw them.

They - in their heart of hearts - know who they are. They sure as hell are NOT what most of us consider to be "Penn State".

The folks "in your mind", and the folks "in my mind", may very well be different people.

But the folks responsible for this boondoggle - the issue at hand - are reprobates.......and the folks defending and "spin-doctoring" this situation (Nicholas Jones ....and the usual suspects) are just as bad.

 

[bjf1984]

And - BTW - apology accepted.

No harm, no foul.

 

[19psu97]

And - BTW - apology accepted.

No harm, no foul.

No apologies here. I will never apologize for speaking up to defend a good person. If you interpreted my resonses as rude, then I do appolize for that, as that was not my intent. But you have cured me from reading non-sports related topics on this board. I thank you for that as now I will waste less time and hopefully become more productive.
Oh, and you may want to look in the mirror before you continue with all your name calling. And I guess I am "nuts" since I don't understand why people can't respect each other and disagree and discuss without labeling and name calling. They end up alienating people who may be able to help each other solve real issues. It's actually quite disheartening.

 

[bjf1984]

No apologies here. I will never apologize for speaking up to defend a good person. If you interpreted my resonses as rude, then I do appolize for that, as that was not my intent. But you have cured me from reading non-sports related topics on this board. I thank you for that as now I will waste less time and hopefully become more productive.
Oh, and you may want to look in the mirror before you continue with all your name calling. And I guess I am "nuts" since I don't understand why people can't respect each other and disagree and discuss without labeling and name calling. They end up alienating people who may be able to help each other solve real issues. It's actually quite disheartening.

I just don't know what to say ....except WTF?

Who are you? And who is/are these "good people" you are speaking up for?.......because, unless I missed it, I haven't seen/read you speaking up for ANYONE? Did I miss it?
Who is this wronged entity that you wish to defend?.....and don't you think - before coming on to a message board and taking offense - that you ought to actually say who it is that you are defending - and why? Who it is that you think others are unfairly attacking? I haven't got a clue who it is you are talking about......and I even took the time to go back and read all of your other posts.

Let me know who the hell you are talking about.......and - hell - maybe we are in agreement. If not, at least we would know what the issues of disagreement are.
Unless/until then......WTF?