You take the good with the bad with Franklin— for me the positives outweigh the negatives

bdgan

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not sure what the 70’s thru 90’s have to do with the state of the program post scandal in 2014.
Other than a big stadium I have never heard a recruit or anyone with knowledge describe our facilities as excellent.
The 70s ' 90s doesn't have much to do with the state of the program in 2014 except for the fact that PSU had built a winning history, growing facilities, lots of players in the NFL, and one of the best fan bases in the country. None of that has gone away.

There's no doubt that the JS scandal was a setback but look at how we came through that. No losing seasons, 100,000 fans continued to show up, and a BiG Championship 5 years later. To act like everything JoePa built is long gone is ridiculous. Using that as an excuse for current results is even more ridiculous.

I remember Fran Ganter boasting to me that PSU had the best facilities in the country. That was 16 years ago and I know a lot has changed. It's become an arms race in college football. Perhaps we've fallen behind a bit but O'Brien got some improvements and $48m more has been approved. I can't imagine that facilities are holding the current team back.

P.S. Have you ever been inside the Lasch Building?
 
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To answer the main point of the post. Yes, the positives for JF grossly outweigh the negatives. The problem is all his negatives happen on game day when most of the eyes are on the team. I wonder how much of a "challenge" culture there is within the staff. I wonder if there is anyone of the staff willing to stick up and argue for something they believe in. I knew a high school football coach that surrounded himself with nothing but "yes" men and thus never had good dialogue with his staff.

Basically, I wonder if he has anyone on his staff that would stand up and say....."Take the points James.....you are a numbers guy and do you know what kind of odds you are looking at to successfully complete 2 fake special teams plays in the same quarter, please just take the dam points and lets let Stout kick it out of the endzone." Or maybe from MY "James, if we are going to go for it, for goodness sake let my offense try and get you two yards."

Here is the thing with the fake FG.....The Defense is probably in a Safe Mode because that short of a FG is pretty much a given of a make. Concede the 3 and don't get fooled with something that will give them 7. Also, it was TD or bust, no opportunity for a 1st Down.

For a guy that considers everything and goes by the numbers, he makes a lot of head scratchers during the game.
Yep, his game day management is terrible. Clock management, play calls, risk factors, time out use...... He should turn over the offense to his OC and stay totally out of it. Just talk to players, encourage them, keep them focused, ask players about game conditions, maybe make suggestions to YC with the full understanding that YC has final say.
 

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I also think 100% this season went down the tubes as Franklin was "iffy" about the rumors at other schools. I don't give a rats ass what he tells his players if outside the Lasch everyone and their brother is talking about him staying or going. Say what you want but that is a serious distraction. A distraction that could have been handled with a more calculated answer than what he gave.
 

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To answer the main point of the post. Yes, the positives for JF grossly outweigh the negatives. The problem is all his negatives happen on game day when most of the eyes are on the team. I wonder how much of a "challenge" culture there is within the staff. I wonder if there is anyone of the staff willing to stick up and argue for something they believe in. I knew a high school football coach that surrounded himself with nothing but "yes" men and thus never had good dialogue with his staff.
Indirectly related: IMO Franklin is in a bad place mentally wrt how to handle his players. Remember how he said he was going to get tough after a 1 pt loss to OSU? After the loss to Illinois he talked about not wanting to rant and allow his emotions get the best of him. I think he's struggling with how much to get tough and how much to encourage and show love for his players.

I suspect his uncertainty about how to handle his players carries over to his staff. It would be difficult for them to act one way when the head coach acts another way.
 

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I also think 100% this season went down the tubes as Franklin was "iffy" about the rumors at other schools. I don't give a rats ass what he tells his players if outside the Lasch everyone and their brother is talking about him staying or going. Say what you want but that is a serious distraction. A distraction that could have been handled with a more calculated answer than what he gave.
Totally disagree.
 

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Indirectly related: IMO Franklin is in a bad place mentally wrt how to handle his players. Remember how he said he was going to get tough after a 1 pt loss to OSU? After the loss to Illinois he talked about not wanting to rant and allow his emotions get the best of him. I think he's struggling with how much to get tough and how much to encourage and show love for his players.

I suspect his uncertainty about how to handle his players carries over to his staff. It would be difficult for them to act one way when the head coach acts another way.
There is some truth to this. CJF loves to create a family atmosphere and that is probably the biggest reason for success at recruiting. Lots of players and their families even say so. But he is like the modern father that wants to his kid’s best friend instead of being a father. Sorry, but Dad needs to be a disciplinarian, not a bestie!

Of course, none of us are behind the scenes and know how he walks that line. Balancing the two is very difficult and he may actually be doing a great job of it.
 
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Are you telling me Franklin is a psychology major? In other words, are you telling me Franklin is not very smart?

I hope not.
Franklin earned a college degree in Psychology in 1995. That doesn't mean he isn't smart (don't know why you would think that ). but it does mean he is trained to think and view behavior through a social lens. Psych people view things differently than say .... an engineer! Yes, I think this may influence his decision making and strategy.
 

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Franklin earned a college degree in Psychology in 1995. That doesn't mean he isn't smart (don't know why you would think that ). but it does mean he is trained to think and view behavior through a social lens. Psych people view things differently than say .... an engineer! Yes, I think this may influence his decision making and strategy.
In GENERAL (and who knows, Franklin could be the smartest Psych major ever), Psych majors aren't the "best and brightest".

That all - now I'm really underwhelmed by Franklin.

I guess I can get ready for all of the offended people with degrees in the weaker majors to babble about anecdotal stories of stupid engineers and so forth.....sigh.

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In GENERAL (and who knows, Franklin could be the smartest Psych major ever), Psych majors aren't the "best and brightest".

That all - now I'm really underwhelmed by Franklin.

I guess I can get ready for all of the offended people with degrees in the weaker majors to babble about anecdotal stories of stupid engineers and so forth.....sigh.

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Well ..... Franklin is a warm and fuzzy guy. Psych major. Sabin - business administration with masters in sports administration. Belichick - economics major. I only looked up those two successful coaches. But warm and fuzzy works for high school kids and their parents so he is a people person coach and likable . I don't think the MFer personalities will align with Franklin's style and my guess is he doesn't want those guys and their potential problems. ie Antonio Sheldon.
I simply want Franklin to not overthink the game. Stop being cute or tricky and take what you're given/play to your strength.
For example: Franklin wants explosive plays. Great, so do the fans. But we only have one explosive player! So play the game with what we can do pretty well. Control the ball. Move the chains down the field and take any points when we can get them. Take a big shot once in a while..... but that isn't who this team is this year. Our strength is D so control the ball, play field position and take points when we can. Let the players decide the game.
 
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But last year was a losing season, this looks like 7-5, and if next year is 7-5 again I do not know what would happen to him.
Franklin has a top 10 salary. We now have 2 consecutive seasons where he clearly isn't performing at the level he's being paid for. He would have been able to escape one via the Covid card, but not the 2021 season. Another mediocre season in 2022 and he better be ready for a pay cut, especially now that there's precedence for it with the recent Harbaugh and Frost restructured contracts. I generally like Franklin and want him to stay but when his salary is up there with the coaches that are making the playoff appearances and he keeps applying leverage for more spending then he has to perform. He did not meet expectations in 2020 or 2021. One more year and if I'm the AD I'm reducing his pay with a more incentive-laden deal and reducing his buyout, while leaving the other investments in the program like facilities and assistant salaries intact.
 

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