Yale epidemiologist: Dr. Fauci running 'misinformation campaign' against hydroxychloroquine

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    https://justthenews.com/politics-po...accuses-fauci-running-disinformation-campaign

    “Dr. Harvey Risch, a noted Yale epidemiologist, has accused White House coronavirus task force member Dr. Anthony Fauci of waging a "misinformation campaign" against the drug hydroxychloroquine, claiming the medication has shown consistently encouraging results in treating COVID-19 when used properly.
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    Among the drug's critics has been Fauci. In March, the longtime director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infection Diseases dismissed claims of HCQ's effectiveness as "anecdotal" and has periodically voiced that skepticism over the course of the pandemic.

    On Tuesday during an interview on "Good Morning America," Fauci further downplayed the drug's purported benefit, claiming that "the overwhelming prevailing clinical trials that have looked at the efficacy of hydroxychloroquine have indicated that it is not effective in [treating] coronavirus disease."

    Risch, however, is sharply criticizing Fauci's approach to evaluating the drug's effectiveness, arguing that repeated trials and tests have shown that it is markedly effective at treating COVID-19 so long as it is administered properly.

    Risch, a professor of epidemiology and the director of Yale's Molecular Cancer Epidemiology Laboratory, has been pushing for the drug's use in the fight against the coronavirus for months. Last week in a Newsweek op-ed he called HCQ "the key to defeating COVID-19," claiming its use — particularly when administered with one of two antibiotics and the nutritional supplement zinc — has been "shown to be highly effective" in treating high-risk coronavirus patients.

    On Tuesday, Risch went further, charging in an interview with Just the News that Fauci is perpetrating a "misinformation campaign" in his opposition to the drug.

    Fauci "has been maintaining a studious position that only randomized controlled trial evidence has any value," Risch said, "and everything else he calls anecdotal."

    Randomized controlled trials have been referred to as "the gold standard" of clinical research experiments; Fauci last month lamented the "paucity" of such trials regarding COVID-19 cures. But Risch said numerous other types of studies have significant practical value in determining effective courses of medical treatment.

    Risch shared a 2017 New England Journal of Medicine article by former Centers for Disease Control and Prevention Director Tom Frieden, one in which the author argued that randomized controlled trials have "substantial limitations" and that "many other data sources can provide valid evidence for clinical and public health action."

    Five key factors for successful HCQ treatment, Risch says

    Fauci's office did not respond to requests for comment on Risch's claims about the drug's effectiveness and Fauci's assessment of it.

    Risch argued that, while hydroxychloroquine is not a universally effective treatment, it has shown marked and repeated success when used in appropriate cases and at appropriate points of disease progression.

    "The crucial issues are (a) early treatment of (b) high-risk (c) outpatients with (d) HCQ plus zinc, [azithromycin], doxycycline etc. for (e) hospitalization or mortality outcomes," Risch said. "Dr. Fauci, in citing all of the studies without qualification, smeared all over points (a)-(e)."

    Risch said opponents of HCQ have been arguing that the drug "doesn't work on patients near death in ventilators and therefore we can't use it on healthier patients in outpatient settings."

    "Why would you even entertain invoking a study on severely sick patients to bear on the efficacy of outpatients?" he asked.
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    Yale? Pfffft. What would he know?
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    Dr Fauci is only presenting the scientific/medical facts. We don't need bat-shit crazy conspiracy theories at this time.
     
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    When the Chinese said that no one, zero people, who were being treated with HCQ for Lupus had contacted Covid-19 in China, that said volumes to many in the world. I know studies weren't done but there's nothing like actual implementation and results. Fauci wants tests and nothing else will do. One thing about tests, they take time and this pandemic is not waiting for anyone.
     
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    Nice to see you trust the Chinese on all things COVID.
     
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    Let’s not forget that he’s willing to lie based on supply chain concerns.
     
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    I think the question one has to ask is "and, then, you are going to use what?"

    It may or may not work. Who knows. I was warned this would happen early on when HCQ was discovered and was, basically, free. You've got four very powerful organizations lined up against it: Big Pharma, medical industry, democrats and the MSM (carrying the Democrats water). Never let a disaster go to waste.
     
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    No, fauci is the one denying the science, he relies solely on faulty studies done on very sick inpatients while completely ignoring the ones done on outpatients.

    Since when is Hirsch a crazy conspiracy theorist? The anecdotal (from front line docs) and clinical trial evidence for HCQ being helpful in high risk outpatients is so strong that at this point people who continue to say it doesn’t help are knowingly pushing misinformation and have blood on their hands.

    There’s this study:
    https://www.ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/news/2020/05/12/nyu-study-looks-at-hydroxychloroquine-zinc-azithromycin-combo-on-decreasing-covid-19-deaths

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    nd this study:
    https://academic.oup.com/aje/advance-article/doi/10.1093/aje/kwaa093/5847586

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    nd this study:
    https://www.preprints.org/manuscript/202007.0025/v1

    And this study:
    https://www.ijidonline.com/article/S1201-9712(20)30534-8/fulltext

    And you claim fauci is following the science??
     
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    Just stick to the science, medicine, and facts. Political parties really should not be part of the conversation.
     
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    well, Fauci is all into masks (when he was first saying they are useless against a virus). He said, not long ago, that he lied so masks would get to first responders. But there is zero clinical evidence that they work. It seems to make sense that it would offer, at least, some marginal help. Lets say, 20%. OK, isn't that the same thinking going into HCQ (which has far less side effects then many over the counter drugs and is, in fact, over the counter in many countries)?
     
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    Oh, did I miss something? Did he say he believed EVERYTHING the Chinese have said about COVID? Was the post deleted?
     
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    What about the University of Minnesota study where HCQ was given to participants immediately after SARS CoV 2 exposure ? Why didn’t it show any benefit ? Even if the drug combo has a high Number to Treat, you would expect some evidence of benefit. Or were the authors and participants involved in this study co - conspirators ?
     
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    Nice to see you read between the lines. I just provided a piece of information. You can choose to interpret it any way you choose. Your interpretation of my post was very poor.
     
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    https://www.wisn.com/article/woman-...ine-for-19-years-still-got-covid-19/32605139#
     
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    Considering I go on Twitter this morning and look for something to read and there is an entire series of anti-HCQ articles the most recent being a 7/1....yeah I’d say there is a big push.
     
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    That study was faulty. They didn't make sure all the participants even had sars-cov2, sent them pills by mail and assumed they took them as directed, never included zinc (they KEY part of the treatment, having HCQ without zinc is like having a gun without a bullet), then assumed they filled out an online questionaire honestly re: how their symptoms were going. This is not a well controlled study. Too many assumptions.

    I've yet to see a single study that was bad on HCQ that included zinc and provided treatment early as an outpatient. Go ahead and find me one.

    Meanwhile there are docs who have each treated HUNDREDS of high risk outpatients early and hard with HCQ+zinc+Zpak and only a small handful died/were intubated (normally high risk patients died at a clip of 6-10%).

    https://www.preprints.org/manuscript/202007.0025/v1

    Imagine the impact to the healthcare system if this treatment was rolled out as the new standard of care? Imagine what would happen to the FEAR the msm has pumped into the masses for several months? It would evaporate. The msm/dems COVER UP this info instead of shouting it from the rooftops. What does that tell you about them?
     
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    Jeez. If Trump wanted to he could ORDER that HCQ be made available to all. His own FDA won't do it. NIH won't do it. So you can keep digging up outliers who think differently and, without a shred of evidence, claim their studies are legit and all of the other studies are bogus. It won't matter. The ship has sailed on HCQ and it's not turning around.
     
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    Huh? There's mountains of evidence: thousands of anecdotal stories from front line docs, controlled clinical trials, etc..the studies cited by Hirsch are legit b/c they followed the science. They made sure to give the treatment early as outpatient and with zinc. They know, from the science, that zinc inhibits virus RNA replication and HCQ is a zinc ionophore which allows it to cross the cell membrane. The studies that said HCQ didn't work either didn't use zinc or didn't make sure to give the treatment as early as possible to outpatients. The faulty studies would be akin to waiting until a house is almost fully burned down then saying the fire dept is useless b/c they failed in stopping it. Giving someone HCQ without zinc is like giving them a gun with no bullets.

    Are the scientists behind these obviously faulty studies incompetent & ignorant or just corrupt and bought out by big pharma? I'll let you decide.
     
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    The Pharmacy Board in the state of Ohio just prohibited prescribing of HCQ for COVID.
    Now why would they do that ?
    I am an agnostic on the subject of HCQ, but at some point, if it works as advertised by its proponents, these studies should start getting consistent results regardless of who is doing them and where they are being conducted. This happened with dexamethasone.
     
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    Lulz! And that ban lasted a whole day b/c people were furious. You pointing this ban out doesn't prove anything other than the power of the msm fear machine and cancel culture. Let the docs work with their patients to decide what's best for them. Limiting the doc's options (for medication we have 50+ years of data/experience with) is akin to murder.
    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...loroquine-ban-mike-dewine-request/5547751002/

    There are ZERO studies that show HCQ + zinc used early in outpatients is ineffective or unsafe.

    There are consistent results when they setup the studies properly: give the correct dose of HCQ + zinc + zpak early to high risk outpatients.

    Look at the links I posted upstream, they show consistent results because the provided the correct treatment at the correct stage of disease progression.
     
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    So only Fauci has science as opposed to other doctors?Liberals are such guppies
     
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    You seem to be saying there is a conspiracy to stop HCQ. So, why would there be a conspiracy to stop the use of HCQ and not a conspiracy to stop the use of dexamethasone ?
     
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    In 2lying's mind, Dr. Harvey Risch is a

    RUSSIAN ASSET.
     
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    I have no idea, maybe b/c dexamethasone isn't as effective as HCQ? All I know is we've known since 2005 CQ/HCQ is effective at inhibiting coronavirus replication in vitro and in real life application it's been highly effective in preventing high risk Covid19 outpatients from heading to the hospital/dying. The medical establishment and msm are corrupt b/c they are suppressing this information. Maybe b/c they want to make billions on the vaccines? We are seeing how powerful the influence of big pharma is on the msm and law makers/governors.
     
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    That makes no sense. If your conspiracy assertion is true, a similar alleged smear campaign would have been run against dexamethasone, which is cheap and widely available.
    The other thing that makes no sense is why people would want to discredit a medication that might save their own lives and the lives of their loved ones ? What good is making a lot of money from perpetuating a fraud if the fraud ends up costing the life of you or a family member ?
    If HCQ works or works in some combination, time will tell. It is still being used in a lot of places. It has been shown to work in vitro. If survival data from the millions of COVID cases starts adding up, the medical establishments where it isn’t being used will be forced to reconsider their protocols.
     
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    It makes sense if dexamethasone isn’t very effective or cheap compared to HCQ. I don’t know much about it so it’s hard for me to say.

    We already have more than enough data to know HCQ is highly effective when given early in conjunction with zinc. There’s no “wait and see” time needed.

    You’re severely underestimating the greed of some people. Many of them could talk shit on HCQ publicly while giving it to themselves and loved ones privately as a protective measure. Is that beyond the realm of possibility? No.

    Also HCQ isn’t the only zinc ionophore out there. There are also natural ones you can get OTC to protect loved ones such as EGCG from green tea extract or quercetin.
     
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    Dexamethasone is cheaper than HCQ. It is given later in COVID. It works and I would be willing to bet it has a lower number to treat than HCQ. Some of the studies being conducted with it were halted because the benefit demonstrated did not justify continuing to give some of the study participants a placebo.

    You seem to assume that pharmacy companies in America are able to control what happens all over the world with regard to HCQ. Can you appreciate that many people would not find this to be a rational assumption ?
     
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    I never said they had worldwide control. They control via money/lobbyists/funding. In case you haven’t noticed a lot of countries believe the WHO no questions asked. The same network of bought and paid for scientists/docs are the ones running the WHO. Some countries are doing their own thing though and I applaud them for that.

    Look at what happened with Sweden recently with HCQ. They banned it and deaths went up. Then they removed the ban and deaths went back down. What a coincidence!!
     
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    Give it up. This whole canard is hurting Trump. We lack for testing and direction and he continues to advocate for HCQ. I'm sure that's playing well in these hard hit areas of the country and in many households faced with the prospect of sending their children to school. Instead we have vast conspiracies designed to kill unsuspecting people. The studies that have shown limited to no efficacy and dangerous side effects are bogus and bought and paid for by PHARMA. The whole world is just a conglomerate of devilishly inspired infectious disease doctors who violate the Hippocratic oath daily. If nothing else, this continued focus on HCQ will convince even more people that a change at the top is desperately needed.
     
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    So you're saying the Lancet study (which the WHO immediately adopted and promoted to denigrate HCQ) wasn't deeply flawed and retracted in disgrace? The VA study wasn't deeply flawed and biased? Have you EVER seen anything like these "hit piece" studies and the msm ignoring all positive studies happen before? The "conspiracy" against HCQ is real. We can debate over the motivations for it but to claim it doesn't exist is disingenuous at best.

    Which studies have shown HCQ to be unsafe for outpatients or even contributed to one single death? Which studies have shown HCQ, when combined with zinc and given early and hard to outpatients, to be ineffective? There are numerous studies showing when it's given early to high risk outpatients in combo with zinc and zpak it's HIGHLY effective. Just look at Hirsch's work from late May:

    https://academic.oup.com/aje/article/doi/10.1093/aje/kwaa093/5847586

    "...Early outpatient illness is very different than later hospitalized florid disease and the treatments differ. Evidence about use of hydroxychloroquine alone, or of hydroxychloroquine+azithromycin in inpatients, is irrelevant concerning efficacy of the pair in early high-risk outpatient disease. Five studies, including two controlled clinical trials, have demonstrated significant major outpatient treatment efficacy. Hydroxychloroquine+azithromycin has been used as standard-of-care in more than 300,000 older adults with multicomorbidities..."

    Why do you continue to completely dismiss studies like this ^^^^ one? B/c master fauci hasn't endorsed them? Why isn't fauci following the science?

    Re: the safety of HCQ and Zpak, here's what the FDA database data tells us (this is from the above link):

    "One source of data on mortality associated with these medications is the FDA FAERS database (34). Examination of the database for adverse events reported from the beginning of the database in 1968 through 2019 and into the beginning of 2020, shows for hydroxychloroquine 1064 adverse event reports including 200 deaths for the total of cardiac causes that could be both specifically and broadly classified as rhythm-related. Of these, 57 events including 10 deaths were attributed to Torsades de Pointes and long QT-interval syndrome combined. This concerns the entirety of HCQ use over more than 50 years of data, likely millions of uses and of longer-term use than the 5 days recommended for Covid-19 treatment. For AZ use, the numbers of reported Torsades de Pointes and long QT-interval syndrome events total 37, of which 2 deaths. FAERS data are generated by patient, physician and pharmacist report initiation and likely underrepresent true event occurrences. However, even if the true numbers were 10-fold larger, they would still be minuscule compared to the amounts of medication usage..."

    So we know HCQ and Zpak are safe and effective for high risk outpatients. Fauci and his cronies should be shouting about this from the rooftops but they are doing the opposite. The only drug mentioned by fauci is remdesivir (which just so happens to be much more lucrative for big pharma than HCQ, fancy that!).
     
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    51 Global Studies Find HCQ Effective in Treating COVID-19 — 16 Find HCQ NOT Effective — But 10 of Those Are Late Treatment Studies

    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/20...-hcq-not-effective-10-late-treatment-studies/

    “...Dr. Fauci and Dr. Birx pushed a completely fraudulent Imperial College study to lockdown and destroy the greatest economy in US history.

    Dr. Anthony Fauci has made at least 15 critical mistakes and contradictionssince the start of the pandemic in March.

    Perhaps Dr. Fauci’s most deadly mistake is his response to hydroxychloroquine (HCQ) treatments for the disease.

    Dr. Fauci cheered the use of hydroxychloroquine in treating the MERS coronavirus in 2013 but for some reason resists its use today in treating the China coronavirus.

    Now there is a website that tracks the international HCQ-Coronavirus studies.

    C19Study tracks the effectiveness of hydroxychloroquine in treating coronavirus.

    The countries that pushed HCQ use early have had the most success in treating the disease.

    The website tracked all of the current international studies on HCQ use in treating the coronavirus.

    Here are the results:
    ** Pre-exposure prophylaxis (or PrEP) — 100% success
    ** Post-Exposure Prophylaxis (or PEP) — 100% success
    ** Early Treatment — 100% success
    ** Late Treatment — 62%

    There are over 70 global studies listed on the effectiveness of Hydroxychloroquine in treating the coronavirus.

    51 of the global studies showed positive results.
    16 of the global studies showed negative results — but 10 of those studies were late stage cases of coronavirus.

    It is clear at this point that the top US medical professionals are KILLING Americans by downplaying the success of HCQ in treating the coronavirus.

    How many tens of thousands of Americans must die because of Dr. Fauci’s mistakes?“
     
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    HCQ and Zpak?

    Where's the zinc?

    HCQ without zinc is like a gun without bullets. Or something like that.
     
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    You really, really suck at this chris. Go back to writing shitty novels.

    Imagine what their results would have looked like with zinc supplementation? Also if a patient has a diet high in zinc they may be able to get some good results without supplementation but its better to add some then not have enough.

    Adding zinc makes sure the HCQ treatment is firing on all cylinders b/c in addition to helping zinc get through cell membranes it does have some impact by itself via lowering the cells acidity levels which make it harder for the virus to bind and replicate. Studies have also shown that Zpak helps prevent the virus from binding to the ACE2 receptor.

    Watch the first few mins of this video for a detailed scientific breakdown of all 5 ways HCQ helps fight sars-cov2 infection:

    https://www.bitchute.com/video/puGfArrAgaRz/
     
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    Oh look another shill account that was created years ago with 2 whole posts has been activated. I’ll take this as a badge of honor and a sign I’m right over the target, thanks!

    When you can’t attack the message you attack the messenger. Fauci is so smart yet he ignored the science re: HCQ being a potent inhibitor of coronaviruses, something his own agency has been aware of since 2005. Add to that all of the studies done since 2020 showing it’s highly effective for high risk outpatients. What a genius!!
     
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    So, we don’t need experimental confirmation from different researchers to determine if something actually works ?
    I don’t know if it works. I don’t know if it is something that has to be taken for a significant period of time before exposure to work.
    I just don’t believe in conspiracies to explain everything in this situation. Case in point being dexamethasone. If there was some sort of grand conspiracy to discredit cheap and effective treatments, it makes no sense that HCQ would be targeted and dexamethasone would not
     
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    THE AMERICAN ASSOCIATION of PHYSICIANS & SURGEONS IS SUING THE FDA OVER HYDROXYCHLOROQUINE CRIMES



    More Evidence Presented for Why Hydroxychloroquine Should be Made Available, in a New Court Filing by AAPS

    This week the Association of American Physicians & Surgeons submitted additional evidence to a federal court for why interference with hydroxychloroquine (HCQ) should end by the Food & Drug Administration (FDA) and the Department of Health & Human Services (HHS), in AAPS v. FDA, No. 1:20-cv-00493-RJJ-SJB (W.D. Mich.).

    “As confirmed by another recent study of thousands of patients at the Henry Ford Health System in Michigan, HCQ is both very safe and highly effective in treating COVID-19, reducing mortality by 50%,” AAPS informed the court in its filing. “Countries with underdeveloped health care systems are using HCQ early and attaining far lower mortality than in the United States, where [HHS and the FDA] impede access to HCQ.”

    Yet most Americans are still unable to obtain HCQ for early treatment of COVID-19, and virtually no Americans are able to access it as preventive medicine. HCQ has been used safely for decades by travelers to protect against malaria, but Americans are dying from COVID-19 while HCQ is withheld from them.

    “Citizens of the Philippines, Poland, Israel, and Turkey all have greater access to HCQ than American citizens do,” observes AAPS General Counsel Andrew Schlafly. “In Venezuela, HCQ is available over the counter without a prescription, while in the United States pharmacists are prevented from filling prescriptions for HCQ.”

    AAPS rebuts arguments presented by the FDA, which implied that medications are approved as safe only for certain conditions. In fact, HCQ and most medications have been approved without limitation, such that physicians can prescribe them for any off-label use.

    Court docs and more: https://aapsonline.org/more-evidenc...made-available-in-a-new-court-filing-by-aaps/
     

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