Worst officiated game I've ever seen
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The PI on Brandon Short on third down in the 4th quarter where LaVar was a whisker away from the sack was one of the more puzzling calls. Without it that one is game over for PSU. Of course, PSU went out and laid an egg against MSU the next week. The UM loss didn't seem so important after that clunker.
MLB has a sophisticated 900 ft replay operations center in NYC. Officials in the stadium don't influence the decision.
Not to condone BigTen officiating but if this kind of corruption happens in real life (see Washington, D.C.) then what makes you think it won't manifest itself in a sports conference? I mean, c'mon guys! It's just further proof the people who are 'in charge' will go to great lengths to protect their livelihood. We aren't part of the conference branding and I'm not sure we'll ever be. Either get used to it or leave.
Strap in Saturday night because a branded team is coming to town and they need 'protecting'.
You expect anyone to do something? No one did a thing except bend over for more when our university, and dare I say the word, culture, was attacked from all sides. If that didn't prompt at least a little push back, you think anyone at PSU will give a crap about some bad calls in a game they want abolished anyway? The only one would be CJF, and like he said in the presser, his hands are tied and it's a no win situation. As always, we will continue to play two opponents each week. Wait til Michigan...
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Is there anyway for you to find out who the B1G had as the “replay official”? The B1G usually cloaks their identity, but I have my suspicions.
Is there anyway for you to find out who the B1G had as the “replay official”? The B1G usually cloaks their identity, but I have my suspicions.
2002 Michigan, 2002 Iowa and 2005 Michigan were all far worse and it is not close.
This is the kind of game that gives credence to the argument that the NCAA (if they can put a logical thought together in one of their committees) should go to either national or at least regional refs and crews, and eliminate the conference affiliation of refs and crews. I'm not sure what the advantage is for them being conference affiliated, but this crew and others in the B1G have shown plenty of bias toward Ohio State and Michigan over the decades, and not only vs. Penn State.
While there are big changes on the horizon, time to think outside a bit, and look at these issues, too. (and go to 5 full seasons of eligibility, too!). The refs should never have this much influence over a game.
While there are big changes on the horizon, time to think outside a bit, and look at these issues, too. (and go to 5 full seasons of eligibility, too!). The refs should never have this much influence over a game.
Can someone clarify what happened there? Did I miss a replay or did they never show it? On whom was the holding called? They seemed to cut in on that asshole announcing it but he said that they would repeat 2nd down - the one thing that couldn't be the case in either scenario.
Well I would argue the NON hands to face call (C Brown was mauled) on the winning touchdown play is the most blatant non call ever and the REF had an unobstructed view of the play. even the umpire had a partial view of the start of the foul but then was probably blocked
now granted if it was called it puts the skunkbears in a 2nd-18 an who knows what happens from there, but jesus add this to the bullshit that occurred earlier in the game and this was a hatchet job.
Here are some stop motions to display this travesty in all its glory keep in mind this foul occurs around the 15 yrd line right hash and as the play develops the REF moves to his left and has clear view of pocket at all times
so you tell me what exactly Mr REF is watching???? As my sig pic displays the disgust
Sadly this is correct. But actually, Franklin is in a no-lose situation. How much worse could it get? His fan base would be 120% behind him. This is one of those ways that good is separated from elite. The Sabans and Myers and Dabos of the world simply would not stand for it! Of course, they would never get jobbed so bad from their own conference. Enough is enough!
They didn’t show a replay, and Blackledge mentioned right before they snapped the next play that he didn’t know who it was on (likely because) he didn’t see a penalty.
The timing of each of the calls made it feel like a classic PSU hit job by the B1G - either give Iowa momentum or take it away from State. They directly impacted the final score...if everything else stayed the same without zebra interference, it should’ve been 21-10.
I mean, hell...even Davey Jones was begrudging the officials in his post game wrap from the booth.
Pretty sure they missed a roughing the punter call as well.
Thanks for posting. I had forgotten about this! This is leadership. A walk-on QB ends up with a nice NFL career. You can see why just in how he handled that interview.
I know for sure they missed Clifford getting hit in the face and almost having his eye removed. ABC had really good replays.
When we complain about the Big 10 out to get us, that's what we sound like. We need to keep winning games like these and make it a non-issue. HAVING SAID THAT (for many years on this board), this was a disastrous game for the Big 10 officiating crew and they are (apparently) already hearing about it from the front office with a possible suspension heading their way. Take some solace with that if you will.
On a completely different topic the Franklin doubters have less to chew on after this game. The coaches did what they had to do to get the team into positions to win this game once the nerves wore off. With the monkey somewhat off their backs, I expect a higher tempo game against Michigan. How about 2 undefeated teams playing in Minnesota ...
Excellent photo montage analysis. Courtney Brown was unblockable without refs letting fouls go against him. That one is blatant and ugly.Well I would argue the NON hands to face call (C Brown was mauled) on the winning touchdown play is the most blatant non call ever and the REF had an unobstructed view of the play. even the umpire had a partial view of the start of the foul but then was probably blocked
now granted if it was called it puts the skunkbears in a 2nd-18 an who knows what happens from there, but jesus add this to the bullshit that occurred earlier in the game and this was a hatchet job.
Here are some stop motions to display this travesty in all its glory keep in mind this foul occurs around the 15 yrd line right hash and as the play develops the REF moves to his left and has clear view of pocket at all times
so you tell me what exactly Mr REF is watching???? As my sig pic displays the disgust
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I found the info. His name is Tom Kissinger and here is some background on the complicit tool
https://www.linkedin.com/in/tom-kissinger-0338bb6
https://biztimes.com/the-whistleblower/
Oh, they did and perhaps two from what I recall.
I can see a scenario where CJF gets fed up with this crap and takes another job. Not saying it will happen.
Are we still thinking PSU is at a disadvantage here because "we're lucky to be even playing?" The "scandal" as one would call it is now nearing 10 years, at least since the start of the sanctions (which by the way were dropped before they expired).
PSU is a cash cow for the B1G. They've been in the B1G now for over a quarter century. It's going to get to the point where not many officials were even officiating before Penn State began B1G play.
There is an obvious bias, and yes, I think Sandy and CJF can in a not so subtle way do something about this. What are they (B1G) gonna do? You don't see Saban or Dabo walk away with their tail between their legs. There's no repercussions for showing some stones here IMO. None. PSU is a cash register for the B1G.
I believe 2005 was also the game in which the Michigan coach was whining at the end of the game and wanted two seconds added to the clock. The refs discussed it and added four. Or maybe that was another year. The bad calls seem to run together.
I agree with other posters who have said that this is Sandy's issue to take up with the B1G. She needs to advocate strongly for us on all things athletic, and the ongoing "oopsy" referring we see each season from certain crews and Refs has gone on for 25 years now.
Joe did what he could - he brought us replay, e.g., he brought more attention to the issues that other schools had also identified, and he and Curley made some strong arguments to the office about those issues. But that still did not completely eradicate the problems. The conference was always about the Big Two when it came to football, to all other schools' expense. And then we saw just how concerned the B1G was about us in 2011-12. Not very.
Joe did what he could - he brought us replay, e.g., he brought more attention to the issues that other schools had also identified, and he and Curley made some strong arguments to the office about those issues. But that still did not completely eradicate the problems. The conference was always about the Big Two when it came to football, to all other schools' expense. And then we saw just how concerned the B1G was about us in 2011-12. Not very.
The only one with the stature to do something is Franklin. You think Saban would leave it to some lackey AD? She is way over her head...she decimated Cal’s program and that is why she got fired. A pure HR hire for “ optics.” Franklin wants be elite? Time is past due to step up. His reaction at the presser tells me he is happy with good. That’s fine. He is a good guy and is doing it the right way. But we need to lower our expectations and he needs to lower his. Ain’t never going to be elite by letting people push you around and walk all over you!
2005 Michigan Game Ref recap:
1. There was a BS fumble or non fumble call in the first half, can't remember which
2. The Refs could not walk a straight line while marking a spot, can't tell you how many first downs were "given" by the refs
3. Heel to toe. I saw it immediately, somehow not even reviewed. A free 20 yards to start the drive.
4. Added two seconds, and yes those two seconds mattered.........
1. There was a BS fumble or non fumble call in the first half, can't remember which
2. The Refs could not walk a straight line while marking a spot, can't tell you how many first downs were "given" by the refs
3. Heel to toe. I saw it immediately, somehow not even reviewed. A free 20 yards to start the drive.
4. Added two seconds, and yes those two seconds mattered.........
And that is why Delaney and LouAnna run B10 tried their very best to destroy Paterno and Penn State.
No, do not do anything. We won. When Curley and Paterno took on the refs in 2002, we were still paying for it years later.
Witvoet never let it go.
No, as this is going on long before the scandal. Someone at PSU needs to step up. It took Joe chasing the refs for some change to occur. We need to do what it takes, regardless of who does it. If not, this will continue without abatement.
Joe got instant replay installed but PSU paid a price.
Witvoet and Honig screwed us every chance they got after that. Things didn't settle down until O'Brien was the coach and they kind of let it go.
Do nothing and it will continue. Replay was instituted because of Joe and it has helped. But these clowns are so brazen, they have learned even to override/ignore this. Even when the whole nation sees it! I like the idea of interviewing new conferences. Will send a clear message - enough is enough!
