I come here very infrequently now, but had a few extra minutes so checked in here. When I saw this OP, I thought here we go again. But this post is refreshing, in that I have several very good friends that are PSU fans. We argue, make fun of each other (but don't hit below the belt), and laugh. We all live well, and enjoy life, without the insecurity of the hateful, rival fans. Both schools and athletic programs are what they are. They have different characteristics, and cultures. Fans on both sides are obsessed, due to loyalty and pride. We should all get that. I and my daughters and family are happy and prosperous, and it isn't affected by wins or losses by the football teams. Yeah, we all want to win every game, but there is a bigger picture. We will continue to enjoy the games, and the camaraderie of our family and friends, including the PSU ones. Some posters (both boards) can be satisfied getting off on demeaning the other, but mutual respect for the other fans, such as yourself, is quite refreshing.