What exactly are MAGA proposals that are destroying our country?

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Lots of discussion about the dreaded MAGA republicans now reverted to MAGA proposals. So far, I haven't seen anyone actually detail what these proposals are and how they are going to destroy our society.
To me, I guess MAGA is a code word for Donald Trump and the platform/issues/concepts of his campaign in 2015 and presidency. Now, I don't remember all of them, but I can recall things like....control of the southern border, strengthening our military/national security which included having NATO countries doing their share of funding, tax cuts, energy independence, reduced spending (a failure), no iran deal, pull out of paris accords, and bring american jobs from overseas back to america. I know there are more, but thats all that immediately come to mind. (I'm sure others might be able to add to my list)

Now I know that some of our democrat friends have really taken issue with MAGAites and their beliefs. But to me, when I look at this list I don't see anything that would bring the country down.

I'd bet someone will bring up abortion. Fair point, but I don't believe Trump ever initiated any legislation to ban or restrict abortions nationally. Others will bring up the tax cuts "that benefited the wealthy", but again, in fairness, there's a pretty good debate as to what were the real benefits of those tax cuts and who really benefited. (MKnox has posted on numerous times about the benefits of wage increases for minority workers under the trump economy.) Afghanistan withdrawal..Trump and Biden both wanted the US out of that war, so not a lot of conceptual difference between the two. Of course, renewable energy is a difference, but Trump didn't stop growth of renewables, he just didn't throw as much federal money at it. Biden picked up the mantle of expecting NATO countries to help pay for the defense, so no significant difference there.

So, I come back to my question. What are the MAGA proposals that are so bad for our country?
 

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Lots of discussion about the dreaded MAGA republicans now reverted to MAGA proposals. So far, I haven't seen anyone actually detail what these proposals are and how they are going to destroy our society.
To me, I guess MAGA is a code word for Donald Trump and the platform/issues/concepts of his campaign in 2015 and presidency. Now, I don't remember all of them, but I can recall things like....control of the southern border, strengthening our military/national security which included having NATO countries doing their share of funding, tax cuts, energy independence, reduced spending (a failure), no iran deal, pull out of paris accords, and bring american jobs from overseas back to america. I know there are more, but thats all that immediately come to mind. (I'm sure others might be able to add to my list)

Now I know that some of our democrat friends have really taken issue with MAGAites and their beliefs. But to me, when I look at this list I don't see anything that would bring the country down.

I'd bet someone will bring up abortion. Fair point, but I don't believe Trump ever initiated any legislation to ban or restrict abortions nationally. Others will bring up the tax cuts "that benefited the wealthy", but again, in fairness, there's a pretty good debate as to what were the real benefits of those tax cuts and who really benefited. (MKnox has posted on numerous times about the benefits of wage increases for minority workers under the trump economy.) Afghanistan withdrawal..Trump and Biden both wanted the US out of that war, so not a lot of conceptual difference between the two. Of course, renewable energy is a difference, but Trump didn't stop growth of renewables, he just didn't throw as much federal money at it. Biden picked up the mantle of expecting NATO countries to help pay for the defense, so no significant difference there.

So, I come back to my question. What are the MAGA proposals that are so bad for our country?
I hope this is rhetorical .
 
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Lots of discussion about the dreaded MAGA republicans now reverted to MAGA proposals. So far, I haven't seen anyone actually detail what these proposals are and how they are going to destroy our society.
To me, I guess MAGA is a code word for Donald Trump and the platform/issues/concepts of his campaign in 2015 and presidency. Now, I don't remember all of them, but I can recall things like....control of the southern border, strengthening our military/national security which included having NATO countries doing their share of funding, tax cuts, energy independence, reduced spending (a failure), no iran deal, pull out of paris accords, and bring american jobs from overseas back to america. I know there are more, but thats all that immediately come to mind. (I'm sure others might be able to add to my list)

Now I know that some of our democrat friends have really taken issue with MAGAites and their beliefs. But to me, when I look at this list I don't see anything that would bring the country down.

I'd bet someone will bring up abortion. Fair point, but I don't believe Trump ever initiated any legislation to ban or restrict abortions nationally. Others will bring up the tax cuts "that benefited the wealthy", but again, in fairness, there's a pretty good debate as to what were the real benefits of those tax cuts and who really benefited. (MKnox has posted on numerous times about the benefits of wage increases for minority workers under the trump economy.) Afghanistan withdrawal..Trump and Biden both wanted the US out of that war, so not a lot of conceptual difference between the two. Of course, renewable energy is a difference, but Trump didn't stop growth of renewables, he just didn't throw as much federal money at it. Biden picked up the mantle of expecting NATO countries to help pay for the defense, so no significant difference there.

So, I come back to my question. What are the MAGA proposals that are so bad for our country?
How about their attempt to take the voting out of the hands of the voters and allow state legislatures to seat their own electors. How about rewriting history to strip any “offensive “ white racism and genocide from history books. How about destroying the EPA, SS and Medicare. Just a few that come to mind.
 

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How about their attempt to take the voting out of the hands of the voters and allow state legislatures to seat their own electors. How about rewriting history to strip any “offensive “ white racism and genocide from history books. How about destroying the EPA, SS and Medicare. Just a few that come to mind.
Say what?
 

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How about their attempt to take the voting out of the hands of the voters and allow state legislatures to seat their own electors. How about rewriting history to strip any “offensive “ white racism and genocide from history books. How about destroying the EPA, SS and Medicare. Just a few that come to mind.

The question was about MAGA, not liberals
 

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How about their attempt to take the voting out of the hands of the voters and allow state legislatures to seat their own electors. How about rewriting history to strip any “offensive “ white racism and genocide from history books. How about destroying the EPA, SS and Medicare. Just a few that come to mind.
Wow you are completely lost those are all things you liberals are doing. SMH at how lost you truly are.
 
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I'll start with a few things
  • Skyrocketing debt
  • Record deficits
  • Tax increases on steel, aluminum, and wood increasing the cost of construction.
  • Tax increases on most imported consumer goods.
  • Trillions of socialist handouts in the form of the CARES act and Consolidated Appropriations Act, 2021.
  • Failure to secure the southern border by not completing the wall, having Mexico pay for none of what was built.
  • Failure to leave Afghanistan as promised
  • Failure to investigate and prosecute criminals like Hillary Clinton, James Comey etc.
  • Allowing countless lawless riots in the streets and holding no one responsible.
  • Pumping billions of dollars into big pharma for an untested and possibly deadly Trumpccine.
  • Providing Faucci a daily platform to spread lies and deceit.
  • Allowing Chyna to introduce the Wuhan virus to the world, and not holding them responsible for doing so.
Damn, when you put it all in a list, he was more of a disaster than I thought.
 

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How about their attempt to take the voting out of the hands of the voters and allow state legislatures to seat their own electors. How about rewriting history to strip any “offensive “ white racism and genocide from history books. How about destroying the EPA, SS and Medicare. Just a few that come to mind.

None of that happened Bob. It's a figment of your imagination. This is why the cult leadership adores you.
 

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Some of the MAGA proposals are simply the difference between the Republican and Democratic point of view. I might “fight” our differences, that is the way our democracy is set up. Having an honest debate over issues is okay and keeps both sides honest.
what is absolutely not okay is the MAGA effort to discredit our elections, demonize our institutions , the cult of personality that has taken over the Republican Party and the Trump “grift.” Trump has created and amplified our distrust of institutions and surrounded himself with felons like Steve Bannon, Roger Stone, Paul Manafort and others. Trump is at the center of multiple criminal investigations. Instead of the MAGA crowd honestly looking at this singularly bad guy and taking their political support somewhere else, they have doubled down and either accepted or apologized for his bullshit. And they continue to send him money (the grift) which he hoards for himself.
BTW, I’ve done this myself with the Clintons. I support most of their policies, but I’m done with them as far as being government leaders. Their time has passed. They’ve done some good, but also some bad. They’ve been caught and their time is over.
The latest example is the classified/government documents fiasco. There is absolutely no justification for Trump taking classified documents and keeping them in his desk drawer in his country club., disregarding subpoenas and lying to the government. Trumps response is to blame the FBI and call them names. And bizarrely many MAGA republicans have taken his side. Not even Bill Barr, Andrew McCarthy, John Bolton or Karl Rove can defend Trumps actions.
 
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Some of the MAGA proposals are simply the difference between the Republican and Democratic point of view. I might “fight” our differences, that is the way our democracy is set up. Having an honest debate over issues is okay and keeps both sides honest.
what is absolutely not okay is the MAGA effort to discredit our elections, demonize our institutions , the cult of personality that has taken over the Republican Party and the Trump “grift.” Trump has created and amplified our distrust of institutions and surrounded himself with felons like Steve Bannon, Roger Stone, Paul Manafort and others. Trump is at the center of multiple criminal investigations. Instead of the MAGA crowd honestly looking at this singularly bad guy and taking their political support somewhere else, they have doubled down and either accepted or apologized for his bullshit. And they continue to send him money (the grift) which he hoards for himself.
BTW, I’ve done this myself with the Clintons. I support most of their policies, but I’m done with them as far as being government leaders. Their time has passed. They’ve done some good, but also some bad. They’ve been caught and their time is over.
The latest example is the classified/government documents fiasco. There is absolutely no justification for Trump taking classified documents and keeping them in his desk drawer in his country club., disregarding subpoenas and lying to the government. Trumps response is to blame the FBI and call them names. And bizarrely many MAGA republicans have taken his side. Not even Bill Barr, Andrew McCarthy, John Bolton or Karl Rove can defend Trumps actions.

I'm sorry, what were you saying?

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https://house.mo.gov/billtracking/bills211/hlrbillspdf/2047H.01I.pdf

Hillary Clinton: Trump is an ‘illegitimate president’​


https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...195d5a-e099-11e9-b199-f638bf2c340f_story.html

Jimmy Carter Says He Sees Trump As An Illegitimate President​


https://www.npr.org/2019/06/28/7370...ys-he-sees-trump-as-an-illegitimate-president

OVER 150 EXAMPLES OF DEMOCRATS DENYING ELECTION RESULTS

https://gop.com/research/over-150-examples-of-democrats-denying-election-results-rsr/
 

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I'll start with a few things
  • Skyrocketing debt
  • Record deficits
  • Tax increases on steel, aluminum, and wood increasing the cost of construction.
  • Tax increases on most imported consumer goods.
  • Trillions of socialist handouts in the form of the CARES act and Consolidated Appropriations Act, 2021.
  • Failure to secure the southern border by not completing the wall, having Mexico pay for none of what was built.
  • Failure to leave Afghanistan as promised
  • Failure to investigate and prosecute criminals like Hillary Clinton, James Comey etc.
  • Allowing countless lawless riots in the streets and holding no one responsible.
  • Pumping billions of dollars into big pharma for an untested and possibly deadly Trumpccine.
  • Providing Faucci a daily platform to spread lies and deceit.
  • Allowing Chyna to introduce the Wuhan virus to the world, and not holding them responsible for doing so.
Damn, when you put it all in a list, he was more of a disaster than I thought.
So basically you want to blame conservatives for its inability to stop every leftist failure?

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What I don't understand about all the election talk, it can be settled by an audit. Not a recount, but an audit. But, at every turn its the bureaucrats (both D and R) that thwart any actions on an audit. It could settle the question of being the most honest and fair election. Why is that?

Then there's the problems with voter rolls. I can't see why its a big deal to have people removed because they're dead. I'm pretty sure that one of the qualifications for voting is that you're supposed to be alive. Same goes for people that have moved or filed bogus voter registration. Cleaning up the roles shouldn't be a political issue. But, an illegal vote takes away the right of a legal voter.

Our election laws continue to cater to the political parties, and not to the individual voter. The Legislature is supposed to make the laws. If the a mail-in ballot doesn't have the proper signature, then it is deemed an illegal vote. That isn't a judicial or executive or bureaucratic decision. Its the law. If the govt is allowed to be lawless, why should we expect the same from the citizenry?
 

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Some of the MAGA proposals are simply the difference between the Republican and Democratic point of view. I might “fight” our differences, that is the way our democracy is set up. Having an honest debate over issues is okay and keeps both sides honest.
what is absolutely not okay is the MAGA effort to discredit our elections, demonize our institutions , the cult of personality that has taken over the Republican Party and the Trump “grift.” Trump has created and amplified our distrust of institutions and surrounded himself with felons like Steve Bannon, Roger Stone, Paul Manafort and others. Trump is at the center of multiple criminal investigations. Instead of the MAGA crowd honestly looking at this singularly bad guy and taking their political support somewhere else, they have doubled down and either accepted or apologized for his bullshit. And they continue to send him money (the grift) which he hoards for himself.
BTW, I’ve done this myself with the Clintons. I support most of their policies, but I’m done with them as far as being government leaders. Their time has passed. They’ve done some good, but also some bad. They’ve been caught and their time is over.
The latest example is the classified/government documents fiasco. There is absolutely no justification for Trump taking classified documents and keeping them in his desk drawer in his country club., disregarding subpoenas and lying to the government. Trumps response is to blame the FBI and call them names. And bizarrely many MAGA republicans have taken his side. Not even Bill Barr, Andrew McCarthy, John Bolton or Karl Rove can defend Trumps actions.
Please add Nancy Pelosi to your list of destructive grifters. She personally stopped any chance of immigration or justice reform to spite Trump. The battle with Trump was personal and hurt the country. She also got richer.

I am reserving judgment on the documents. The whole episode is too weird and is reminiscent of Russiagate.
 

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What I don't understand about all the election talk, it can be settled by an audit. Not a recount, but an audit. But, at every turn its the bureaucrats (both D and R) that thwart any actions on an audit. It could settle the question of being the most honest and fair election. Why is that?

Then there's the problems with voter rolls. I can't see why its a big deal to have people removed because they're dead. I'm pretty sure that one of the qualifications for voting is that you're supposed to be alive. Same goes for people that have moved or filed bogus voter registration. Cleaning up the roles shouldn't be a political issue. But, an illegal vote takes away the right of a legal voter.

Our election laws continue to cater to the political parties, and not to the individual voter. The Legislature is supposed to make the laws. If the a mail-in ballot doesn't have the proper signature, then it is deemed an illegal vote. That isn't a judicial or executive or bureaucratic decision. Its the law. If the govt is allowed to be lawless, why should we expect the same from the citizenry?
Capital BINGO on that one, Captain!
 
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I'll start with a few things
  • Skyrocketing debt
  • Record deficits
  • Tax increases on steel, aluminum, and wood increasing the cost of construction.
  • Tax increases on most imported consumer goods.
  • Trillions of socialist handouts in the form of the CARES act and Consolidated Appropriations Act, 2021.
  • Failure to secure the southern border by not completing the wall, having Mexico pay for none of what was built.
  • Failure to leave Afghanistan as promised
  • Failure to investigate and prosecute criminals like Hillary Clinton, James Comey etc.
  • Allowing countless lawless riots in the streets and holding no one responsible.
  • Pumping billions of dollars into big pharma for an untested and possibly deadly Trumpccine.
  • Providing Faucci a daily platform to spread lies and deceit.
  • Allowing Chyna to introduce the Wuhan virus to the world, and not holding them responsible for doing so.
Damn, when you put it all in a list, he was more of a disaster than I thought.

What is this list? Most of it looks like what the democrats did and are currently doing in spades.

Let's keep in mind that all of the crap that occurred during 2020 was actually designed to bring down Trump. You can't blame Trump for riots. That was actually pushed by leftwing organizations supported by democrats.

And blaming Trump for not completing the wall is laughable. His opposition is completing the wall? Are you serious?

And Trump is not an epidemiologist. He has to rely on the pros, who were democrats. What's even more funny about your post is that Trump's opposition ultimately forced people to take the "Trumpcinne," or be fired. But it wasn't until after they got elected. Before that they of course opposed the vaccine.

What we have in power right now are the most politically driven grifters to ever hold office. They will bring down this country and create all of the problems that democrats complain about. It is happening.

They are doing it through inflation to start, which will create a global depression. That's going to create horrible maldistribution in wealth, famine, and ultimately some serious instability, perhaps global war. Whoever comes to office later is going to have to deal with it, and probably get blamed.
 

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Please add Nancy Pelosi to your list of destructive grifters. She personally stopped any chance of immigration or justice reform to spite Trump. The battle with Trump was personal and hurt the country. She also got richer.

I am reserving judgment on the documents. The whole episode is too weird and is reminiscent of Russiagate.
What immigration reform did Trump ever propose? Nancy Pelosi is not a grifter. Her husband is an investment banker.
Reserve your judgement about Trump and the documents. His guilt is an absolute slam dunk. The only question is whether or not we want to prosecute him.
 

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What immigration reform did Trump ever propose? Nancy Pelosi is not a grifter. Her husband is an investment banker.
Reserve your judgement about Trump and the documents. His guilt is an absolute slam dunk. The only question is whether or not we want to prosecute him.
You are just too dumb.

We don’t need the opinion of liberal arts clowns.
 
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What immigration reform did Trump ever propose? Nancy Pelosi is not a grifter. Her husband is an investment banker.
Reserve your judgement about Trump and the documents. His guilt is an absolute slam dunk. The only question is whether or not we want to prosecute him.

Republicans have universally pushed that border security needed to come first before dealing with the illegals that are already here. If you just hand out the means to be legitimate before actually securing a process for legitimacy at the border then all you are doing is encouraging more bad behavior at the border.

But democrats know this. It's why they want no border. They want a bigger problem internally down the road. More needy people within the masses who can vote themselves benefits. Once that gets above 50%, we become a socialist, communist country. That is their long term vision. It certainly isn't prosperity and freedom. It is power.
 

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What immigration reform did Trump ever propose? Nancy Pelosi is not a grifter. Her husband is an investment banker.
Reserve your judgement about Trump and the documents. His guilt is an absolute slam dunk. The only question is whether or not we want to prosecute him.
If you cannot admit that a recent rash of Paul’s investment decisions are suspicious, your view on insider trading is pretty liberal. Those decisions suspiciously coincided with congressional actions. And then she poo pooed any suggestion that congressional investment rules should be changed. Yes, she and hubby are swampy, i.e. Grifters.

I could be wrong on immigration reform, but we will never know because of Nancy. She chose to talk crap instead of negotiating. She talked crap on her way into their meeting with Trump which led to a shouting match. If you choose to blame Trump, you have give equal credit to Nancy for picking the fight.

All we know about the documents is what Garland claims. He is a puppet who is still seeking revenge for the Supreme Court snub. Wait and see.
 

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What immigration reform did Trump ever propose? Nancy Pelosi is not a grifter. Her husband is an investment banker.
Reserve your judgement about Trump and the documents. His guilt is an absolute slam dunk. The only question is whether or not we want to prosecute him.

Regarding Pelosi, in what universe should it be OK for the spouse of a member of Congress to be an investment banker?

That has unprovable corruption written all over it. In her case, the anecdotal evidence suggests that there has been corruption. They are trading on businesses that are major players in legislation.
 

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Some of the MAGA proposals are simply the difference between the Republican and Democratic point of view. I might “fight” our differences, that is the way our democracy is set up. Having an honest debate over issues is okay and keeps both sides honest.
what is absolutely not okay is the MAGA effort to discredit our elections, demonize our institutions , the cult of personality that has taken over the Republican Party and the Trump “grift.” Trump has created and amplified our distrust of institutions and surrounded himself with felons like Steve Bannon, Roger Stone, Paul Manafort and others. Trump is at the center of multiple criminal investigations. Instead of the MAGA crowd honestly looking at this singularly bad guy and taking their political support somewhere else, they have doubled down and either accepted or apologized for his bullshit. And they continue to send him money (the grift) which he hoards for himself.
BTW, I’ve done this myself with the Clintons. I support most of their policies, but I’m done with them as far as being government leaders. Their time has passed. They’ve done some good, but also some bad. They’ve been caught and their time is over.
The latest example is the classified/government documents fiasco. There is absolutely no justification for Trump taking classified documents and keeping them in his desk drawer in his country club., disregarding subpoenas and lying to the government. Trumps response is to blame the FBI and call them names. And bizarrely many MAGA republicans have taken his side. Not even Bill Barr, Andrew McCarthy, John Bolton or Karl Rove can defend Trumps actions.
ok, so you posted about trump....people that send him money. But, is that what defines an "ultraMAGA" to quote president Biden? Plus, you only mentioned a few people part of Trump's inner circle.
My point through this post was t o try to get a feel for what biden says is going to destroy our democracy. You mention questioning the election. Plenty of politicians at just about every election have questioned results of their election....look at gore, stacy abrams, hillary, the democrat who lost to flores in texas, and I'm sure others could add even more. So what, somebody questions an election. You do recounts, throw out contested ballots etc. and life goes on. Yes the Jan 6th protest was over the top and the people involved are being held accountable. But there are a lot more people who are sending money to trump? Are they also untraMAGA?
So who are these people that Biden is calling out? And he referred to MAGA proposals. What MAGA proposals is he talking about? Border security, strong defense, lower taxes, lower inflation, better schools, reduced crime et?
Which of these proposal will bring down the democracy?
 
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I'll start with a few things
  • Skyrocketing debt
  • Record deficits
  • Tax increases on steel, aluminum, and wood increasing the cost of construction.
  • Tax increases on most imported consumer goods.
  • Trillions of socialist handouts in the form of the CARES act and Consolidated Appropriations Act, 2021.
  • Failure to secure the southern border by not completing the wall, having Mexico pay for none of what was built.
  • Failure to leave Afghanistan as promised
  • Failure to investigate and prosecute criminals like Hillary Clinton, James Comey etc.
  • Allowing countless lawless riots in the streets and holding no one responsible.
  • Pumping billions of dollars into big pharma for an untested and possibly deadly Trumpccine.
  • Providing Faucci a daily platform to spread lies and deceit.
  • Allowing Chyna to introduce the Wuhan virus to the world, and not holding them responsible for doing so.
Damn, when you put it all in a list, he was more of a disaster than I thought.
What planet are you from? Most of those things are democrat policies.
 

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What planet are you from? Most of those things are democrat policies.
Democrats are insane.

They know that they have full control, and have since the troll Fauci trotted out 10 days to slow the spread.

They know that the country is in terrible shape - economically, morally, culturally.

They know they're at fault, but like all garbage people, they deflect and lie.
 
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Please add Nancy Pelosi to your list of destructive grifters. She personally stopped any chance of immigration or justice reform to spite Trump. The battle with Trump was personal and hurt the country. She also got richer.

I am reserving judgment on the documents. The whole episode is too weird and is reminiscent of Russiagate.

She also stopped any chance of an infrastructure bill because she didn't want to give the American people (Trump) a win. Sick phuck.

Notice how several republicans got it passed for Biden. Clearly the right has more character than the left.
 

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She also stopped any chance of an infrastructure bill because she didn't want to give the American people (Trump) a win. Sick phuck.

Notice how several republicans got it passed for Biden. Clearly the right has more character than the left.
Nancy made it purely personal even beyond politics. I hope someone cares enough to write that history correctly someday.
 
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How about their attempt to take the voting out of the hands of the voters and allow state legislatures to seat their own electors. How about rewriting history to strip any “offensive “ white racism and genocide from history books. How about destroying the EPA, SS and Medicare. Just a few that come to mind.
Exactly NONE of that is true.
 

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what is absolutely not okay is the MAGA effort to discredit our elections, demonize our institutions
Hillary claimed the 2016 election was stolen. Some democrats voted not to certify that election. Democrats spent 3 years accusing Trump of election fraud.

Demonizing our institutions? Like Schumer threatening Gorsich and Kavanaugh?

Besides, the question was about current MAGA proposals. Instead you respond with Trump hate.

Good grief!
 

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You are just too dumb.

We don’t need the opinion of liberal arts clowns.
That’s okay engie, I don’t think you’re particularly swift. Actually I have multiple science degrees. Not only are you not too swift, you’re also not true to your word. If I remember you posting that Donald stealing nuclear documents would be inexcusable. Well, he did, you let it slide and you don’t care. You have an agenda and you like to massage the facts to fit that agenda.
 

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Republicans have universally pushed that border security needed to come first before dealing with the illegals that are already here. If you just hand out the means to be legitimate before actually securing a process for legitimacy at the border then all you are doing is encouraging more bad behavior at the border.

But democrats know this. It's why they want no border. They want a bigger problem internally down the road. More needy people within the masses who can vote themselves benefits. Once that gets above 50%, we become a socialist, communist country. That is their long term vision. It certainly isn't prosperity and freedom. It is power.
It takes to sides to make a deal. I will say Republicans routinely refuse to negotiate on the issue. Why, why would any elected American official want to pass legislation to knowingly create problems down the road?