Weekly Review of Rankings for 2/13/18

[Tom McAndrew]

Week 13 of the weekly review. I'll post the various rankings as they appear, and generate the Averages once all rankings have been posted.

InterMat
125: No PSUer (no PSUer)
133: No PSUer (no PSUer)
141: Lee - 8th (8th)
149: Zain - 1st (1st)
157: Nolf - 1st (1st)
165: Joseph - 3rd (1st)
174: Hall - 2nd (2nd)
184: Nickal - 1st (1st)
197: Rasheed - 5th (Cassar - 8th)
285: Nevills - 4th (6th)
Tournament - 1st (2nd)
Dual Meet - 1st (1st)


FloWrestling
125: No PSUer (no PSUer)
133: No PSUer (no PSUer)
141: Lee - 8th (8th)
149: Zain - 1st (1st)
157: Nolf - 1st (1st)
165: Joseph - 3rd (1st)
174: Hall - 2nd (2nd)
184: Nickal - 1st (1st)
197: Rasheed - 6th (Cassar - 5th)
285: Nevills - 3rd (6th)
P4P
Zain - 1st (2nd)
Nolf - 3rd (3rd)
Nickal - 4th (4th)
Hall - 9th (8th)
Joseph - 11th (9th)
Team - 1st (1st)


The Open Mat
125: No PSUer (no PSUer)
133: No PSUer (Keener - 20th)
141: Lee - 8th (8th)
149: Zain - 1st (1st)
157: Nolf - 1st (1st)
165: Joseph - 4th (1st)
174: Hall - 1st (1st)
184: Nickal - 1st (1st)
197: Cassar - 2nd (2nd)
285: Nevills - 3rd (6th)
Tournament - 1st (1st)
Dual - 1st (1st)


Amateur Wrestling News
125: No PSUer (no PSUer)
133: No PSUer (no PSUer)
141: Lee - 7th (7th)
149: Zain - 1st (1st)
157: No PSUer (no PSUer)
165: Joseph - 3rd (1st)
174: Hall - 2nd (2nd)
184: Nickal - 1st (1st)
197: Cassar/Rasheed - 5th (Cassar - 5th)
285: Nevills - 4th (5th)


WIN Magazine
125: No PSUer (no PSUer)
133: No PSUer (no PSUer)
141: Lee - 8th (8th)
149: Zain - 1st (1st)
157: Nolf - 1st (1st)
165: Joseph - 3rd (1st)
174: Hall - 2nd (2nd)
184: Nickal - 1st (1st)
197: Cassar - 4th (4th)
285: Nevills - 4th (5th)
Dual - 1st (1st)
Team - 1st (1st)


USA Today/NWCA Division I Coaches Poll
1st (1st)


TrackWrestling
125: No PSUer (no PSUer)
133: Keener - 21st (22nd)
141: Lee - 8th (8th)
149: Zain - 1st (1st)
157: Nolf - 1st (1st)
165: Joseph - 3rd (1st)
174: Hall - 2nd (2nd)
184: Nickal - 1st (1st)
197: Cassar - 6th (6th)
285: Nevills - 4th (5th)
Team - 1st (1st)


Wrestling by Pirate Dual Impact Index
125: Devin Schnupp - 69th (68th)
133: Corey Keener - 20th (21st), Giannangeli - 50th (48th), Carpenter - 64th (62nd)
141: Nick Lee - 7th (5th), Jered Cortez - 15th (16th), Joey Blumer - 67th (66th), Scott Obendorfer - 71st (71st)
149: Zain - 1st (1st), Jarod Verkleeren - 22nd (23rd), L. Gardner - 37th (36th), Bo Pipher - 61st (60th), Richie McClanahan - 74th (74th)
157: Nolf - 1st (1st), Berge - 34th (34th), Friery - 76th (76th)
165: Joseph - 1st (1st), Manville - 47th (47th)
174: Hall - 1st (2nd), Bisono - 59th (59th)
184: Nickal - 1st (1st), Van Cura - 46th (45th)
197: Rasheed - 1st (2nd), Cassar - 6th (6th), Cutch - 36th (35th), Hoeg - 70th (72nd)
285: Nevills - 10th (10th), Alex Nicholas - 70th (70th)
P4P
Hall - 2nd (3rd)
Zain - 3rd (6th)
Nolf - 8th (9th)
Joseph - 10th (5th)
Nickal - 13th (14th)
Rasheed - 25th (28th)
Lee - 53rd (50th)
Nevills - 89th (96th)
Keener - 188th (202nd)
Schnupp - 683rd (680th)
Dual - 1st (1st)
Tournament - 1st (1st)
Dual Component - 1st (1st)
Roster Component - 1st (1st)


Wrestle Stat
125: Kuhn - 23rd (22nd), Schnupp - 135th (139th), Clabaugh - 155th (155th), Lopez - 215th (216th)
133: Keener - 29th (28th), Giannangeli - 78th (79th), Lindenmuth - 79th (80th), Carpenter - 119th (120th), Higgins - 121st (120th), Stossel - 221st (224th)
141: N. Lee - 11th (11th), Cortez - 14th (14th), Blumer 147th (150th) Obendorfer - 253rd (249th)
149: Zain - 1st (1st), Verkleeren - 45th (49th), Gardner - 103rd (106th), McClanahan - 162nd (162nd)
157: Nolf - 1st (1st), Berge - 37th (38th), Pipher - 74th (68th), Friery - 177th (175th), Tuohey - 252nd (253rd),
165: Joseph - 3rd (2nd), Manville - 111th (108th)
174: Hall - 1st (1st), Bisono - 85th (84th)
184: Nickal - 1st (1st), Van Cura - 82nd (82nd)
197: Rasheed - 2nd (2nd), Cutch - 13th (47th), Cassar - 22nd (20th), Hoeg - 131st (131st)
285: Nevills - 4th (5th), Nicholas - 115th (112th), Johnson - 171st (172nd), Wissler - 211th (211th),
Tourney - 1st (2nd)
Dual - 2nd (2nd)

AVERAGE
Without Computer Rankings
125: No PSUer (no PSUer)
133: No PSUer (no PSUer)
141: Lee - 8th (8th)
149: Zain - 1st (1st)
157: Nolf - 1st (1st)
165: Joseph - 3rd (1st)
174: Hall - 2nd (2nd)
184: Nickal - 1st (1st)
197: Rasheed - 5th (Cassar - 5th)
285: Nevills - 4th (6th)
Team - 1st (1st)

With Computer Rankings
125: No PSUer (no PSUer)
133: No PSUer (no PSUer)
141: Lee - 8th (8th)
149: Zain - 1st (1st)
157: Nolf - 1st (1st)
165: Joseph - 3rd (1st)
174: Hall - 2nd (2nd)
184: Nickal - 1st (1st)
197: Rasheed - 4th (Cassar - 7th)
285: Nevills - 5th (6th)
Team - 1st (1st)

Just a reminder that a wrestler must appear in half or more of the rankings to appear in the Average. At 197, Rasheed appeared in 4 rankings, Cassar appeared in 3 rankings, and AWN put both in the rankings (1st time I've ever seen something like that), so Rasheed is in the Average. (In the computer generated rankings, where multiple wrestlers appear, I use the highest rated PSU wrestler.) Keener only appears in 3 rankings at 133, Kuhn and Schnupp, respectively, each only appeared in 1 ranking at 125 so those 3 are not included in the Average.



InterMat's Rankings for 2/13/18

FloWrestling's Rankings for 2/12/18

The Open Mat's Rankings for 2/13/18

The Open Mat's Team Rankings for 2/15/18

Amateur Wrestling News's Rankings for 2/13/18

WIN Magazine's Rankings for 2/12/18

USA Today/NWCA Division I Wrestling Coaches Poll for 2/13/18

TrackWrestling's Rankings for 2/12/18

WrestlingByPirate Dual Impact Index for 2/12/18

WrestleStat's Rankings for 2/13/18

 

[SetonHallPirate]

https://wrestlingbypirate.wordpress...-12-2018-wrestlingbypirate-dual-impact-index/
Warning: You guys will want to start uncorking the champagne once you read them.

 

[Tom McAndrew]

https://wrestlingbypirate.wordpress...-12-2018-wrestlingbypirate-dual-impact-index/
Warning: You guys will want to start uncorking the champagne once you read them.

SHP, it appears that in this week's DII, non-startes are listed, and their Rating and SOS are shown, but their ranking number is not indicated -- they're all lumped together. Are you changing how non-starters are handled going forward?

 

[SetonHallPirate]

Nope...clerical error on my part. forgot to run that portion of the sort sequence (finished it up at about 2:00 in the morning)...has since been corrected.

 

[Tom McAndrew]

has since been corrected.

much appreciated

 

[Ian]

Wow, SHP. Tournament gap has really widened with O$U falling back into the grips of Iowa. Are you also projecting bonus?

 

[SetonHallPirate]

Wow, SHP. Tournament gap has really widened with O$U falling back into the grips of Iowa. Are you also projecting bonus?

Yes.

 

[Lion-around]

much appreciated

The Wrestle Stat I saw had Penn State #1 in tourney; am I looking at the wrong place?

 

[Tom McAndrew]

The Wrestle Stat I saw had Penn State #1 in tourney; am I looking at the wrong place?

hah, you caught me. I had to take a call while I was posting the WrestleStat rankings, and did not go back and finish the team Tournament and Dual ranking update. I've now corrected that.

 

[Ian]

SHP anyway of projecting B1Gs?

 

[Lion-around]

hah, you caught me. I had to take a call while I was posting the WrestleStat rankings, and did not go back and finish the team Tournament and Dual ranking update. I've now corrected that.

No problem. I just wanted to be sure that I was looking in the right place.

 

[RoarLions1]

Not SHP's info...he'll surely provide that later..

By InterMat, sans bonus, Big Ten's only...

Penn State 139
Ohio State 132.5
Michigan 107
Iowa 89.5
Nebraska 63.5
Rutgers 53
Minnesota 48.5
Illinois 47.5
Purdue 47.5

 

[SetonHallPirate]

SHP anyway of projecting B1Gs?

1. Penn State, 171
2. Ohio State, 144.5
3. Michigan, 119
4. Iowa, 118.5
5. Nebraska, 93
6. Rutgers, 86.5
7. Purdue, 55
8. Illinois, 53.5
9. Northwestern, 47
10. Minnesota, 46.5
11. Wisconsin, 38
12. Indiana, 28.5
13. Maryland, 18.5
14. Michigan State, 1.5

And before you ask, that last one is not a typo.

 

[RoarLions1]

14. Michigan State, 1.5

And before you ask, that last one is not a typo.

At least it's not negative!!

2015 NCAA's...
69. Michigan State -0.5

 

[Lion-around]

1. Penn State, 171
2. Ohio State, 144.5
3. Michigan, 119
4. Iowa, 118.5
5. Nebraska, 93
6. Rutgers, 86.5
7. Purdue, 55
8. Illinois, 53.5
9. Northwestern, 47
10. Minnesota, 46.5
11. Wisconsin, 38
12. Indiana, 28.5
13. Maryland, 18.5
14. Michigan State, 1.5

And before you ask, that last one is not a typo.

I assume this includes Nolf wrestling?

 

[SetonHallPirate]

I assume this includes Nolf wrestling?

Yes.

 

[Ian]

SHP MSU gets 1.5 for being the host!

 

[NoVa Lion]

SHP MSU gets 1.5 for being the host!

They still have Gasca, BIG runner-up last season.

 

[Lion-around]

Yes.

So I guess these numbers also assume Nolf is the B1G champ. Without Nolf is it a toss up or slight tOSU lead?

 

[86PSUPaul]

SHP MSU gets 1.5 for being the host!

Or 2.0 for hosting and that allows them to lose a half to net at 1.5!

 

[SetonHallPirate]

So I guess these numbers also assume Nolf is the B1G champ. Without Nolf is it a toss up or slight tOSU lead?

Without Nolf it's still a small PSU lead.

 

[Lion-around]

Without Nolf it's still a small PSU lead.

Thanks; appreciate all your efforts.

 

[Ja1339]

Without Nolf a few of our board contrarians said we have no chance.

 

[a_mshaffer]

They still have Gasca, BIG runner-up last season.

but he is having a rough year. Does not look like the same guy since being hurt at the end of last year.

 

[RoarLions1]

They still have Gasca, BIG runner-up last season.

A solid MSU is good for the sport, but man, have they fallen. Looking at Wrestlestat, which includes all back-ups, RS's, and on and on, their starters, other than Gasca, are #36, 166, 94, 51, 102, 87, 122, 142, and 136.

 

[Crusher1950]

Let's see Kollin Moore can lose a match and stay #1, Vincente Joseph loses a match and falls to #3 must be something wrong with this picture

 

[SetonHallPirate]

Let's see Kollin Moore can lose a match and stay #1, Vincente Joseph loses a match and falls to #3 must be something wrong with this picture

Which ranking is that? Clearly not the WrestlingByPirate Dual Impact Index...

 

[diggerpup]

Let's see Kollin Moore can lose a match and stay #1, Vincente Joseph loses a match and falls to #3 must be something wrong with this picture

To be fair, 197 does not have any 2x NCAA champs ranked #2.

 

[86PSUPaul]

But don’t they normally say past years results don’t matter? Though NATO was number one for quite a while without wrestling a match so past performance had to count since he did not have current performance.

 

[Tom McAndrew]

But don’t they normally say past years results don’t matter? Though NATO was number one for quite a while without wrestling a match so past performance had to count since he did not have current performance.

You're kind of taking out snippets, and also lumping all ratings together, when they don't all follow the same guidelines.

First off, past year's results do matter in some rankings. If they didn't, how would the various sites generate preseason rankings, and rankings in the first couple weeks of the season? They don't get to sit back and ask Carnac the Magnificent how the rankings will look after NCAAs. Some rankings start with past-year results and don't include incoming freshman or RS freshman. Others use past-year results, but speculate/guess as to where to rank the newbies. The Dual Impact Index takes a different approach, and doesn't post rankings until the season is several week old, and there is enough data to generate credible rankings.

How the rankings handle wins and loses also varies. Some look at the body of work over the season, and others do a combo of body of work AND head-to-head comparisons.

@Crusher1950 also generalized a lot in his response. At 165, where there were 3 undefeated wrestlers heading into last weekend, and 2 after the weekend, I have no problem with Joseph moving from #1 to #3 in many of the rankings. At the same time, Dual Impact Index, which is computer generated is also on sound footing having Joseph remain at #1. It's a matter of the formula/approaches that a ranking service uses. As for the 197 situation, I was not surprised that most rankings kept Moore @ #1 after his defeat to Cassar. None of the wrestlers below him were undefeated. Cassar had a few so-so loses on his resume this season, and was not even the starter on his team.

I enjoy each site that provides rankings, and try to keep in mind their general approach when viewing their rankings.

 

[86PSUPaul]

I totally agree that there are many rankings and each are handled differently, and yes, I did lump together there, though it was not really my intent. I was just showing an example that probably does work at a few different rankings.

Also I know that 197 is a different scenario due to how wins/losses move around at that weight. No clear replacement for Moore, everyone has some losses that can be pointed out.

 

[andegre]

You guys can play around with the placements, etc for each and every weight, and let the system calculate total points earned per wrestler and team via the Tournament Projection Tool. It starts out with the current WrestleStat rankings, then you can swap out anyone, at any weight to see what the projected NCAA tournament points would be.

https://www.wrestlestat.com/tourney/projection

 

[Tom McAndrew]

Fully updated and Averages added