A new coach was inevitable at some point (actually in 2012), so I wouldn't credit the sanctions. With respect to being satisfied with being OK, check out Penn State's record from 2005 through 2011 and see where it ranks. Further, if the rumors according to some well-informed posters were true, Urban Meyer was the coach in waiting for 2012. That all came tumbling down once the sanctions were imposed.
Absolutely. Point was that the sanctions did nothing to turn Penn State football around.
I don't know if Franklin is a better coach, but I think he's a better man, so I agree.
Well they had list to the only team they played with a pulse to that point. The best team they had beaten to that point was Temple. The fact they 8-1 was not a big deal.
Not when the meat of the schedule is at the end. There was not a team they beat that Penn Stats was not a 14 point favorite. They were a bunch of terrible teams.
Again, JVP haters, I ask you where did Penn State rank in record from 2005-2011? Why are you avoiding this question?
What in the world are you talking about? Which one of these teams were ranked? There weren't even 5 wins over FBS teams with winning records. Temple was the only team who they beat that won more than 7 games.
It was #13. It was a decent run. But it was becoming the exception not the rule. Just because someone thinks Joe hung on to long doesn't mean we hate the man. I don't think he was a god and worship every thing he did. I feel he stayed to long. In the end he sacrificed what he preached in order to get that final run. He was a figure head and the team was out of control. Players were getting in trouble and doing things they would never have gotten away with years ago.
I agree. In the 7 years nits74 was asking about (2005-2011) Penn State won 67 football games including 4 bowl games. By comparison, Michigan won 53 in that span (not a misprint), Wisconsin won 70, and OSU won 72. I'd say almost 10 wins a year over 7 years is a record most schools would envy, and we did not violate NCAA rules to do it. I am proud of that record and the way it was accomplished. If others are not, so be it.
I mentioned nothing about Sandusky. I just saw a figure head of a coach. One who quit recruiting. One who let his assistants do all the work. A coach that a decade before would not tolerate his players constantly getting arrested. Were you proud of that? His press conferences became unwatchable. He left you wondering if he even knew what was going on. You knew on talent alone that Penn State would win a bunch of games. They always beat the teams the weaklings on the schedule but when they faced a good team it was usually pretty bad.
It has nothing to do with being spoiled. It more like seeing a program that is under achieving. It like a parent who knows there kid could get A's but is skating by with B's. A kid who instead of challenging itself by taking ap classes but just take easy electives. People on here are always complaining about the easy non conference schedule. It was predictable that most likely if they played a rank team it was going to be a loss.
Agreed. We would beat the mediocre. Beat OSU 1 out of 3 or 4 trys. Lose to Michigan and anyone else when it mattered. Hell, we had to go 3 OTS to beat a 7-5 FSU team and that was his best win since 2006. 1999 we lose to Minnesota when we are No. 1, then we get Steam rolled by Um and MICH St. back to back. 2000,2001,2003, 2004 were pitiful/embarrasing. Morelli and early McGloin years the same.
Remember Joe telling us to "lower our expectations", a totally ridiculous thing to say. What year was that? That was the beginning of the end for Joe Paterno. Can you imagine a coach telling the Ohio State or Alabama fanbase this?
you contradict yourself here, if Paterno quit recruiting, then how did we win games on talent alone??
So because I won't worship Paterno and say he was perfect until he died makes me an idiot? You wonder why people call Penn State fans a cult. Anyone who dares to criticize him is called names. Do you think cleaning the stadium was punishment? That harsh punishment that took 2 hrs and only happened a few times. The same thing that many groups in the university just to have the funds to exist. How did Paterno deal with Scirotto and Bowman? He named one captain and made continuous excuses for the other one.
He preached about doing the right thing while players continued to get into trouble. I think he brought in kids that in the past he would never considered just for the sake of getting the record.
