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So the senate voted down the voting right bill. Can anyone address what voter rights are being lost or restricted?
  • The right to vote without showing an ID.
  • The right to be given food and beverage while waiting to vote.
  • The right to have ballots hand delivered and picked up in your home.
  • The right to vote more than a month before and weeks after election day.
  • The right to vote even if you aren't a citizen.
Should I go on?
 

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  • The right to vote without showing an ID.
  • The right to be given food and beverage while waiting to vote.
  • The right to have ballots hand delivered and picked up in your home.
  • The right to vote more than a month before and weeks after election day.
  • The right to vote even if you aren't a citizen.
Should I go on?

  • The right to vote without showing an ID.
  • The right to be given food and beverage while waiting to vote.
  • The right to have ballots hand delivered and picked up in your home.
  • The right to vote more than a month before and weeks after election day.
  • The right to vote even if you aren't a citizen.
Should I go on?
With the new Georgia voting laws, only poll volunteers are prohibited from provide food and water to voters standing in line. All others are permitted and self serve stations are permitted. Georgia has 3 weeks of early voting with very flexible hours.
 
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RoyalT12

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  • The right to vote without showing an ID.
  • The right to be given food and beverage while waiting to vote.
  • The right to have ballots hand delivered and picked up in your home.
  • The right to vote more than a month before and weeks after election day.
  • The right to vote even if you aren't a citizen.
Should I go on?
You clearly didn’t read the this bill and regurgitated your right wing media bullshit- this was a nice-partisan written bill until every Republican turned into authoritarians. Please go on
 

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With the new Georgia voting laws, only poll volunteers are prohibited from provide food and water to voters standing in line. All others are permitted and self serve stations are permitted. Georgia has 3 weeks of early voting with very flexible hours.
Underserved people can't be expected to serve themselves.
 
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bdgan

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I've gone over this with one of the libs on this board. It took me a total of 15 minutes to get into my polling center. The only reason you would have problems is if you live in a Dem run shithole. Seems like all the problems are "Dem" problems...
Yes but the drop boxes aren't 24/7 and they have video surveillance. If that's not Jim Crow I don't know what is.
 
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So the senate voted down the voting right bill. Can anyone address what voter rights are being lost or restricted?
I have yet to see the Dems give one example of a qualified voter being denied the right to vote. Dems just trying to make it impossible to audit elections and check whether ineligible people voted or whether there is systematic vote fraud.
 

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  • The right to vote without showing an ID.
  • The right to be given food and beverage while waiting to vote.
  • The right to have ballots hand delivered and picked up in your home.
  • The right to vote more than a month before and weeks after election day.
  • The right to vote even if you aren't a citizen.
Should I go on?
You clearly didn’t read the this bill and regurgitated your right wing media bullshit- this was a nice-partisan written bill until every Republican turned into authoritarians. Please go on

I read the bill in detail and it has fraud and cheating written all over it.
 

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The Philadelphia Inquirer reported in September 1988 that Mr. Biden, while campaigning in Alabama that year, "talked of his sympathy for the South, bragged of an award he had received from George Wallace in 1973 and said 'we (Delawareans) were on the South's side in the Civil War.'"
 

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I read the bill in detail and it has fraud and cheating written all over it.
No facts supplied- just rhetoric / cheating Like trying to install a fake set of electors and over throw the election- please.
 

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So the senate voted down the voting right bill. Can anyone address what voter rights are being lost or restricted?
How about we make Election Day a National holiday so people working two shifts can get to the polls. Surely you democracy loving Republicans would support that. What’s more important than voting right?
 

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How about we make Election Day a National holiday so people working two shifts can get to the polls. Surely you democracy loving Republicans would support that. What’s more important than voting right?
There is ZERO need to make that a National holiday. Two shifts, three shifts, no shifts, it doesn’t matter. It is easy to vote in every single state…right now. This is all a ruse.
 

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No facts supplied- just rhetoric / cheating Like trying to install a fake set of electors and over throw the election- please.

Listen puss boy, the bill monstrosity is riddled with opportunities to commit voter fraud and cheat. It’s that simple.

After reading the through the exceptionally BAD AND DISHONEST bill, it’s clear that it’s loaded with crazy and irresponsible measures that are very transparent and are too numerous to mention or worth a fair and honest debate. The bill not only rivals, but is actually worse than any fake election system that exists in third world totalitarian shit hole countries around the world. And since you’re a radical Democrat Socialist and actually voted for the current incompetent clown show in the WH and Congress and you know all about shit hole countries, you can deny what I’m saying, but we all know damn well it’s true.

It is what dishonest and deceitful Democrats want so they can much more easily try to rig elections and cheat, as if they don’t cheat enough with the current system. The voters in this country DO NOT want this type of horse shit legislation by at least 60-65 % rejecting it.

I know it’s an exceptionally bad and dishonest bill and you know it’s an exceptionally bad and dishonest bill as well. That’s not in dispute.

It’s filled with opportunities to cheat and since your an intellectually dishonest puss boy, it’s not surprising that you would support such a dishonest bill.

I 🤮🤮🤮 in your direction puss boy.
 
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jferretti

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I have yet to see the Dems give one example of a qualified voter being denied the right to vote. Dems just trying to make it impossible to audit elections and check whether ineligible people voted or whether there is systematic vote fraud.
In Lincoln County Georgia (30% black) all but one of the polling places are being closed. I think it is 8 out of 9. The only rationale given is that the polling places either lack air conditioning or are not ADA compliant. Rather than spend the money to address the conditions of the polling places in a state that runs a state budget surplus the local jackwagons choose to close the polling places. That will undeniably hurt the black vote in a state where the margins are razor thin. What's happening on the local levels has one design in mind.
 

jferretti

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Listen puss boy, the bill monstrosity is riddled with opportunities to commit voter fraud and cheat. It’s that simple.

After reading the through the exceptionally BAD AND DISHONEST bill, it’s clear that it’s loaded with crazy and irresponsible measures that are very transparent and are too numerous to mention or worth a fair and honest debate. The bill not only rivals, but is actually worse than any fake election system that exists in third world totalitarian shit hole countries around the world. And since you’re a radical Democrat Socialist and actually voted for the current incompetent clown show in the WH and Congress and you know all about shit hole countries, you can deny what I’m saying, but we all know damn well it’s true.

It is what dishonest and deceitful Democrats want so they can much more easily try to rig elections and cheat, as if they don’t cheat enough with the current system. The voters in this country DO NOT want this type of horse shit legislation by at least 60-65 % rejecting it.

I know it’s an exceptionally bad and dishonest bill and you know it’s an exceptionally bad and dishonest bill as well. That’s not in dispute.

It’s filled with opportunities to cheat and since your an intellectually dishonest puss boy, it’s not surprising that you would support such a dishonest bill.

I 🤮🤮🤮 in your direction puss boy.
Rather obtuse and conclusory post. Manchin's bill has provisions for voter ID and a review of voter rolls periodically. Isn't that what you want?
 

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There is ZERO need to make that a National holiday. Two shifts, three shifts, no shifts, it doesn’t matter. It is easy to vote in every single state…right now. This is all a ruse.
Sure it is. So easy that I only had to stand in line for two hours last election. And that was to vote early. Election day was a complete FUBAR.
 

jferretti

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I have yet to see the Dems give one example of a qualified voter being denied the right to vote. Dems just trying to make it impossible to audit elections and check whether ineligible people voted or whether there is systematic vote fraud.
Just like you have nothing but scant, small case incidents of voting fraud (some of which are R's tying to cheat). Your concern for systematic, fraud affecting the outcomes of elections is misplaced and unsupported, as was evident in numerous court failings last time. Perhaps you can justify the newly enacted voting practice laws that offers solutions in search of a problem. But I doubt it.
 

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With the new Georgia voting laws, only poll volunteers are prohibited from provide food and water to voters standing in line. All others are permitted and self serve stations are permitted. Georgia has 3 weeks of early voting with very flexible hours.
This is incorrect. The law states: "no person shall . . . . ."

"No person shall solicit votes in any manner or by any means or method, nor shall any person distribute or display any campaign material, nor shall any person give, offer to give, or participate in the giving of any money or gifts, including, but not limited to, food and drink, to an elector," the new law states.
 

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Rather obtuse and conclusory post. Manchin's bill has provisions for voter ID and a review of voter rolls periodically. Isn't that what you want?

No, it’s not remotely what I want and it’s certainly not what 65% of the country wants either. We don’t want a Democrat cheating and fraud bill at all.
 
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  • The right to vote without showing an ID.
  • The right to be given food and beverage while waiting to vote.
  • The right to have ballots hand delivered and picked up in your home.
  • The right to vote more than a month before and weeks after election day.
  • The right to vote even if you aren't a citizen.
Should I go on?
You make my point, I think. None of those things are rights in the true sense of the word. They might be "nice to haves" but no where is it written that americans have a right to food and drink while waiting to vote, for example. The other "rights" you point out fall into the same category.
In Lincoln County Georgia (30% black) all but one of the polling places are being closed. I think it is 8 out of 9. The only rationale given is that the polling places either lack air conditioning or are not ADA compliant. Rather than spend the money to address the conditions of the polling places in a state that runs a state budget surplus the local jackwagons choose to close the polling places. That will undeniably hurt the black vote in a state where the margins are razor thin. What's happening on the local levels has one design in mind.
So, if my math is right, if 30% are black than 70% are not. It would seem that more than twice the amount of blacks would be disinfranchised. Not sure how no one is complaining that the 70% are being discriminated against
 
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Sure it is. So easy that I only had to stand in line for two hours last election. And that was to vote early. Election day was a complete FUBAR.
There are a million opportunities to vote early and making it a National holiday sure as heck wouldn’t fix a problem with long lines.
 
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This is incorrect. The law states: "no person shall . . . . ."

"No person shall solicit votes in any manner or by any means or method, nor shall any person distribute or display any campaign material, nor shall any person give, offer to give, or participate in the giving of any money or gifts, including, but not limited to, food and drink, to an elector," the new law states.
I've voted for 60 years and never saw anyone passing out food or drink. Were all those elections illigitimate?
 

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This is incorrect. The law states: "no person shall . . . . ."

"No person shall solicit votes in any manner or by any means or method, nor shall any person distribute or display any campaign material, nor shall any person give, offer to give, or participate in the giving of any money or gifts, including, but not limited to, food and drink, to an elector," the new law states.
Correct. And the Sec. Of State has provided clarity that classifying those who would be gifting food and water are polling and campaign volunteers. Everyone else is ok.
 

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You make my point, I think. None of those things are rights in the true sense of the word. They might be "nice to haves" but no where is it written that americans have a right to food and drink while waiting to vote, for example. The other "rights" you point out fall into the same category.

So, if my math is right, if 30% are black than 70% are not. It would seem that more than twice the amount of blacks would be disinfranchised. Not sure how no one is complaining that the 70% are being discriminated against
In Lincoln County the blacks live in the rural areas and lack transportation. This is well thought out. The polling places being closed are those that mostly serve the areas where the blacks live. Rather than spend a little money to keep them open, they simply close them. Why? Because a lack of air conditioning. Really.
 

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Probably 4-5 years ago I stood outside in line to vote. Got inside, turns out it was people utterly not paying attention to which precinct they were in that was causing the delays (there were two lines, one for each precinct. Most people didn't pay attention to the signs and just got in the shorter line). Once I got my ballot I was out of there in less than 5 minutes.
 
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jferretti

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Correct. And the Sec. Of State has provided clarity that classifying those who would be gifting food and water are polling and campaign volunteers. Everyone else is ok.
I would not want to be offering Raffensberger's "clarity" as a defense if charged given that the plain meaning of the statute is clearly "no person". Hell, the Republican legislature has already marginalized him to the point where he has little authority left for elections. If Sheriff Buford T. Pusser arrests someone in downstate Georgia for handing out water I would not like that person's chances relying upon Raffensberger's clarity.
 

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Probably 4-5 years ago I stood outside in line to vote. Got inside, turns out it was people utterly not paying attention to which precinct they were in that was causing the delays (there were two lines, one for each precinct. Most people didn't pay attention to the signs and just got in the shorter line). Once I got my ballot I was out of there in less than 5 minutes.
Probably people trying to cheat :) You know it happens everywhere.
 

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No, it’s not remotely what I want and it’s certainly not what 65% of the country wants either. We don’t don’t a Democrat cheating and fraud bill at all.
Ok. Since you apparently want no new voting bill, which is consistent with what the R's have offered, perhaps we just go back to Section V of the Voting Rights Act. You are familiar with that I am sure because it was approved by Congress with increasing vote margins every time it came up for reauthorization. R's overwhelmingly supported Section V preclearance laws. It worked beautifully, with about 98% of state voting law changes approved, until the activist, Conservative Supreme Court decided that it was a PUBLIC POLICY no longer needed. Surely you can support Section V and restore the bipartisan approach to voting rights.
 

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Ok. Since you apparently want no new voting bill, which is consistent with what the R's have offered, perhaps we just go back to Section V of the Voting Rights Act. You are familiar with that I am sure because it was approved by Congress with increasing vote margins every time it came up for reauthorization. R's overwhelmingly supported Section V preclearance laws. It worked beautifully, with about 98% of state voting law changes approved, until the activist, Conservative Supreme Court decided that it was a PUBLIC POLICY no longer needed. Surely you can support Section V and restore the bipartisan approach to voting rights.

We should restrict voting only to citizens who receive no government assistance.

Further, no government employee should vote.