USA COVID-19 Vaccination Updates

91Joe95

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Holy Crap...from the World Health Org:

Children should not be vaccinated for the moment.

There is not yet enough evidence on the use of vaccines against COVID-19 in children to make recommendations for children to be vaccinated against COVID-19. Children and adolescents tend to have milder disease compared to adults. However, children should continue to have the recommended childhood vaccines.

Lol, the effects of covid on adolescents has been known pretty much since day 1. Still, we took school away from them for almost a year and a half. Now they can't even get the vaccine because covid is too mild for them. Science.
 

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Lol, the effects of covid on adolescents has been known pretty much since day 1. Still, we took school away from them for almost a year and a half. Now they can't even get the vaccine because covid is too mild for them. Science.
ah, you're just a conspiracy theorist. you should be banned from digital platforms.

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Lol, the effects of covid on adolescents has been known pretty much since day 1. Still, we took school away from them for almost a year and a half. Now they can't even get the vaccine because covid is too mild for them. Science.

But think of all the teachers we saved.

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I was at a graduation party yesterday and the TV was on in the living room. While I was picking up some food in the kitchen, I looked over to see ABC news on and a segment about the Delta variant. They had the same doctor from Texas somewhere that is on MSNBC all the time and is crazy anti-republican and he was going on about the delta variant. I really do not like the guy as way too political to be taken seriously as a doctor. But you can see the delta variant fear porn on the media ramping up some as flip around the channels. Of course no mention of record low daily metrics that have been on the downward swing for 2+ months now.

Talked to a doctor friend of mine who works Urgent care. Hadn't seen him since last summer as kids swim together and summer swim season started back up this past weekend. He said that basically in his eyes Covid is done. He now can go a couple of days without seeing a Covid positive patient whereas before it was multiple per day. Actually said he is now seeing a lot of common cold and strep throat patients. Basically as people get back to normal, all the typical stuff is coming back which also led him to believe that Covid was fizzling out as the 'typical' diseases were coming back again.
Just heard on ABC radio news that MISSOURI IS HAVING A 46% SPIKE!!!!!!!!! Then went on about the terrible variant. Never gave any numbers so betting that increase was over a small base and likely a reporting anomaly.
 
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I agree with everything you are saying here. I believe Covid is pretty much over in this country. I say "pretty much over" and not "over" because it's still out there. There is still a threat since less than half of us are vaccinated. The threat of a very contagious variant ripping through the unvaccinated portion of our population. And the threat of a stronger break through variant that could push us back toward square one.

If the message is that it's over, the 55% unvaccinated have no incentive to get vaccinated. If the message is that this isn't over yet, a lot of us view the message as "fear porn". I'm not sure what the balanced message should be that would adequately push unvaccinated toward getting vaccinated while not pissing off the rest of us.

Personally, I just ignore the "fear porn" (I truly hate that term and wish it would die off) and assume the message is meant to get more people vaccinated and is not directed at me.
Accurately reporting and not using the data would be great. But fear porn is real and alive. Governors and other government wonks use it hold onto power. Researchers use it to get research grants. Media whores use it to get clicks and eyeballs. And political types on both sides use it for their benefit. Just the world we cohabitate.
 

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I agree with everything you are saying here. I believe Covid is pretty much over in this country. I say "pretty much over" and not "over" because it's still out there. There is still a threat since less than half of us are vaccinated. The threat of a very contagious variant ripping through the unvaccinated portion of our population. And the threat of a stronger break through variant that could push us back toward square one.

If the message is that it's over, the 55% unvaccinated have no incentive to get vaccinated. If the message is that this isn't over yet, a lot of us view the message as "fear porn". I'm not sure what the balanced message should be that would adequately push unvaccinated toward getting vaccinated while not pissing off the rest of us.

Personally, I just ignore the "fear porn" (I truly hate that term and wish it would die off) and assume the message is meant to get more people vaccinated and is not directed at me.

The message should be exactly as the facts and Occam's razor dictate. Since the message was always given based on political impact, we now have 50% of the population who will NEVER trust our federal agencies again. And those 50% are right to not trust them. They've earned their distrust.

Credibility is something that once lost, is very, very difficult to regain. So, the message should have been in the spirit of Feynman's "scientific honesty" - an honesty beyond the normal level of civil discourse's honesty.

1. Since 52% of the population is vaccinated, and 30% (overlapping statistic) have immunity via infection and recovery, we are probably at herd immunity in many areas of the USA. Since R0 is a practical function of behavior, etc. and not a single hard number, some areas and situations might exhibit flare ups with rapid spikes followed by equally rapid declines. But overall, it seems likely the pandemic is over.

2. Variants will always arise, as they have for all viruses. Some variant will eventually be able to avoid immunity conveyed by vaccine or infection/recovery. That variant will probably be less lethal than the original virus, but it is always possible it could be worse.

3. Statistically speaking, only the old and weak needed to be concerned more than a normal flu. Risk wasn't zero, but was very low below 40.

4. The vaccines are almost surely safe, but we can't possibly know about long term effects, because.....long term effects only show after it's been a long term. So, the old and vulnerable should definitely get the vaccine. The young (especially female) should probably not get the vaccine. Either way, if you're healthy and under 40, odds are good regardless of what you choose.

5. Masks help some, but given the main cause of spread, they wouldn't ever stop the pandemic.

6. HCQ/Zinc/Az/ Ivermectin is completely safe and should be given if the prescribing doctor thinks it might help. But no promises - results have been mixed and anecdotal.
 

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Teacher's unions still need to be convinced their stances on kids being vaccinated is wrong. There's only about 2, maybe 2.5 months to convince them.

They already know their stance is wrong (scientifically, they know). But they are more than happy to lie to use it as leverage.

All sensible people know this, and therefore teachers and teachers unions reputations have suffered greatly.
 

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They already know their stance is wrong (scientifically, they know). But they are more than happy to lie to use it as leverage.

All sensible people know this, and therefore teachers and teachers unions reputations have suffered greatly.
Not so sure they know that. They watch selected news sources that keep them in fear instead of informing them.
 

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I agree with everything you are saying here. I believe Covid is pretty much over in this country. I say "pretty much over" and not "over" because it's still out there. There is still a threat since less than half of us are vaccinated. The threat of a very contagious variant ripping through the unvaccinated portion of our population. And the threat of a stronger break through variant that could push us back toward square one.

If the message is that it's over, the 55% unvaccinated have no incentive to get vaccinated. If the message is that this isn't over yet, a lot of us view the message as "fear porn". I'm not sure what the balanced message should be that would adequately push unvaccinated toward getting vaccinated while not pissing off the rest of us.

Personally, I just ignore the "fear porn" (I truly hate that term and wish it would die off) and assume the message is meant to get more people vaccinated and is not directed at me.
The recovered COVID patients should also be counted towards herd immunity. No reason for them to get the jab!
 
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The message should be exactly as the facts and Occam's razor dictate. Since the message was always given based on political impact, we now have 50% of the population who will NEVER trust our federal agencies again. And those 50% are right to not trust them. They've earned their distrust.

Credibility is something that once lost, is very, very difficult to regain. So, the message should have been in the spirit of Feynman's "scientific honesty" - an honesty beyond the normal level of civil discourse's honesty.

1. Since 52% of the population is vaccinated, and 30% (overlapping statistic) have immunity via infection and recovery, we are probably at herd immunity in many areas of the USA. Since R0 is a practical function of behavior, etc. and not a single hard number, some areas and situations might exhibit flare ups with rapid spikes followed by equally rapid declines. But overall, it seems likely the pandemic is over.

2. Variants will always arise, as they have for all viruses. Some variant will eventually be able to avoid immunity conveyed by vaccine or infection/recovery. That variant will probably be less lethal than the original virus, but it is always possible it could be worse.

3. Statistically speaking, only the old and weak needed to be concerned more than a normal flu. Risk wasn't zero, but was very low below 40.

4. The vaccines are almost surely safe, but we can't possibly know about long term effects, because.....long term effects only show after it's been a long term. So, the old and vulnerable should definitely get the vaccine. The young (especially female) should probably not get the vaccine. Either way, if you're healthy and under 40, odds are good regardless of what you choose.

5. Masks help some, but given the main cause of spread, they wouldn't ever stop the pandemic.

6. HCQ/Zinc/Az/ Ivermectin is completely safe and should be given if the prescribing doctor thinks it might help. But no promises - results have been mixed and anecdotal.
WRT Ivermectin, the data is much more than anecdotal:

 
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Accurately reporting and not using the data would be great. But fear porn is real and alive. Governors and other government wonks use it hold onto power. Researchers use it to get research grants. Media whores use it to get clicks and eyeballs. And political types on both sides use it for their benefit. Just the world we cohabitate.
This could be worse than anything we could have imagined. Following the money, the NIH owns the Moderna patent. You could get an RX for Remdesivir at some $3,000 per course of treatment, but the far more effective Ivermectin (I paid $5.60 for mine) is suppressed everywhere. Merck, led by our good buddy Ken Frasier, makes Ivermectin, but is partnering with Pfizer on some new and certainly more expensive drug. My new favorite Bond villain, Bill Gates, has his fingers in all of this, from the vaccines, to the WHO, and wants to vaccinate the world! Something is seriously wrong here!

Oh, I almost forgot. In order to justify the "Emergency Use" FDA approval for the vaccines, there must not be existing viable alternative treatments.
 
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Interesting ending comment...where did you read this as I'd like to review that document

What is an Emergency Use Authorization (EUA)?​

An Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) is a mechanism to facilitate the availability and use of medical countermeasures, including vaccines, during public health emergencies, such as the current COVID-19 pandemic. Under an EUA, FDA may allow the use of unapproved medical products, or unapproved uses of approved medical products in an emergency to diagnose, treat, or prevent serious or life-threatening diseases or conditions when certain statutory criteria have been met, including that there are no adequate, approved, and available alternatives. Taking into consideration input from the FDA, manufacturers decide whether and when to submit an EUA request to FDA.

Once submitted, FDA will evaluate an EUA request and determine whether the relevant statutory criteria are met, taking into account the totality of the scientific evidence about the vaccine that is available to FDA.
 

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Interesting ending comment...where did you read this as I'd like to review that document

Under section 564 of the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act (FD&C Act), when the Secretary of HHS declares that an emergency use authorization is appropriate, FDA may authorize unapproved medical products or unapproved uses of approved medical products to be used in an emergency to diagnose, treat, or prevent serious or life-threatening diseases or conditions caused by CBRN threat agents when certain criteria are met, including there are no adequate, approved, and available alternatives.


That doesn't say that there must not be alternatives, but just that it is one reason something may get EUA
 

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Yeah - more info here. An anti vaxxer county commissioner immediately went to get the vaccine after getting the briefing of this outbreak.


“..,
“People can make their own decision. All COVID regulations that were instituted and mandated for Manatee County government property should be removed immediately,” added Commissioner George Kruse.

On Friday, however, one commissioner who hadn’t been interested in the vaccine left Hopes’ office and immediately went to get vaccinated, according to Hopes.

County staff are now being encouraged to receive the vaccine. Next Friday, the county will host a vaccine event for staff members and their families. The Moderna and Johnson & Johnson vaccines are expected to be offered.”
 

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0.85M shots yesterday so total up to 317.9M with the 7 day rolling average at 1.24M. 84% of shots administered is the national average, 53.3% of population with 1+ dose (68.7% of the adult population), 45.1% of population fully vaccinated.

So far, 177 million Americans have received at least one dose of a vaccine. At least 150 million people have completed a vaccination regimen.

4,422 positives reported yesterday compared to 9,134 week over week. 7-day rolling average is at 11,158.

Fatality was 86 compared to 170 yesterday and 155 week over week, 7-day rolling fatality at 291.

Hospitalizations reported 7 day rolling average is 12,879 compared to one week ago 15,042 down 14.4%.

Hospital admissions reported 7 day rolling average is 1,878 compared to one week ago 2,121 down 11.4%.

Continued constant decline in all metrics. Fatality at 86 is obviously due to many states not reporting on Sunday but still first time under 100 nationally. Realistic to think now that being under 10,000 cases per day on the 7 day average for daily positives is actually achievable by end of June. As is under 250 daily fatality on the 7 day.
0.610M shots yesterday so total up to 318.5M with the 7 day rolling average at 1.04M. 84% of shots administered is the national average, 53.4% of population with 1+ dose (68.8% of the adult population), 45.2% of population fully vaccinated.

So far, 177 million Americans have received at least one dose of a vaccine. At least 150 million people have completed a vaccination regimen.

11,005 positives reported yesterday compared to 12,961 week over week. 7-day rolling average is at 11,775.

Fatality was 352 compared to 237 yesterday and 342 week over week, 7-day rolling fatality at 306.

Hospitalizations reported 7 day rolling average is 12,663 compared to one week ago 14,411 down 12.3%.

Hospital admissions reported 7 day rolling average is 1,846 compared to one week ago 2063 down 10.5%.
 

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“A coronavirus variant first spotted in India is poised to become the dominant one in the United States, where infectious disease modelers say it could cause a "resurgence" of Covid-19 later this year.

And it may already account for 1 in every 5 infections nationwide, experts say.

The Delta variant, as it's now called, has swept across the UK, all but replacing the Alpha variant first identified there late last year.

"This is the most transmissible of all the variants that we've seen," Dr. Peter Hotez, dean of the National School of Tropical Medicine at Baylor College of Medicine, told CNN's Ana Cabrera Monday.”



We’re dead.
 

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“A coronavirus variant first spotted in India is poised to become the dominant one in the United States, where infectious disease modelers say it could cause a "resurgence" of Covid-19 later this year.

And it may already account for 1 in every 5 infections nationwide, experts say.

The Delta variant, as it's now called, has swept across the UK, all but replacing the Alpha variant first identified there late last year.

"This is the most transmissible of all the variants that we've seen," Dr. Peter Hotez, dean of the National School of Tropical Medicine at Baylor College of Medicine, told CNN's Ana Cabrera Monday.”



We’re dead.
It is amazing how quickly these variants spread. Even in times of restricted travel, economic shutdowns, mask wearing, and other severe restrictions every variant quickly becomes the dominant strain or nearly so. It seems like less than a month they have crossed the globe.

There must be some undocumented way of transmission. about the only way is the upper atmosphere. Could they be sucked up by storms and spread? Just ten years ago it was discovered that there are bacteria alive in the upper atmosphere. Could these viruses piggy back on these bacteria?

About the only other way I can think of such a rapid global spread would be bird migration. But even that is limited by seasons and distance which these viruses seem to ignore.

What say you?
 
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It is amazing how quickly these variants spread. Even in times of restricted travel, economic shutdowns, mask wearing, and other severe restrictions every variant quickly becomes the dominant strain or nearly so. It seems like less than a month they have crossed the globe.

There must be some undocumented way of transmission. about the only way is the upper atmosphere. Could they be sucked up by storms and spread? Just ten years ago it was discovered that there are bacteria alive in the upper atmosphere. Could these viruses piggy back on these bacteria?

About the only other way I can think of such a rapid global spread would be bird migration. But even that is limited by seasons and distance which these viruses seem to ignore.

What say you?

Mail? I got a package from Japan yesterday. I’m screwed. 😞
 
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“A coronavirus variant first spotted in India is poised to become the dominant one in the United States, where infectious disease modelers say it could cause a "resurgence" of Covid-19 later this year.

And it may already account for 1 in every 5 infections nationwide, experts say.

The Delta variant, as it's now called, has swept across the UK, all but replacing the Alpha variant first identified there late last year.

"This is the most transmissible of all the variants that we've seen," Dr. Peter Hotez, dean of the National School of Tropical Medicine at Baylor College of Medicine, told CNN's Ana Cabrera Monday.”



We’re dead.

The Peter Hotez guy they quote is a whack job ideologue. Extremely political to the point that you CANNOT take him seriously as a doctor. He is now CNN's goto guy when it comes to fear porn and talking points.
 
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The Peter Hotez guy they quote is a whack job ideologue. Extremely political to the point that you CANNOT take him seriously as a doctor. He is now CNN's goto guy when it comes to fear porn and talking points.

I wish I had known that before ordering six cases of vinegar from Amazon. 😞
 

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I wish I had known that before ordering six cases of vinegar from Amazon. 😞

i have bad news for you Bob, Delta variant is about unstoppable. Most transmittable variant ever scene in the last 1000 years. Basements, garlic, vinegar are all worthless. Six feet is not enough, neither is a cloth mask. Will now require 12' of social distancing and the mask will have to be a large ziplock bag around your entire head completely sealed so you better learn how to hold your breath for several minutes.
 

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i have bad news for you Bob, Delta variant is about unstoppable. Most transmittable variant ever scene in the last 1000 years. Basements, garlic, vinegar are all worthless. Six feet is not enough, neither is a cloth mask. Will now require 12' of social distancing and the mask will have to be a large ziplock bag around your entire head completely sealed so you better learn how to hold your breath for several minutes.

It also causes messes not just with your taste and smell, it messes with your eyes, too. It makes every person you see look like Delta Burke
 
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It is amazing how quickly these variants spread. Even in times of restricted travel, economic shutdowns, mask wearing, and other severe restrictions every variant quickly becomes the dominant strain or nearly so. It seems like less than a month they have crossed the globe.

There must be some undocumented way of transmission. about the only way is the upper atmosphere. Could they be sucked up by storms and spread? Just ten years ago it was discovered that there are bacteria alive in the upper atmosphere. Could these viruses piggy back on these bacteria?

About the only other way I can think of such a rapid global spread would be bird migration. But even that is limited by seasons and distance which these viruses seem to ignore.

What say you?

My best guesses. It has to do with the long incubation period. You can be infected and pass a test early on before you ever know you actually have the virus. This would allow you to travel and be social AKA spread the virus before you even know.

As for the atmosphere idea, I don't think so because my understanding is UV light kills the virus so I'm not entirely sure how it could survive in the atmosphere.