OT: USA COVID-19 Vaccination Updates

[Delco Lion]

I have told this story previously. My assistant and her father were vaccinated back in February. He is 94, recently went through Chemo, great guy.

My assistant had a family gathering for Easter and everyone that traveled and was not yet vaccinated tested before gathering. Her sister and niece from Long Island both tested negative but alas, that test doesn’t work very well and we’re positive.

My assistant did not catch the virus ( or had no symptoms ) her father did. At 94 he spent a couple of days sitting in his easy chair with the sniffles, nothing worse than that. My assistants husband who had not yet received the vaccine came down with it and spent 10 days of hell with a 103.4% fever with all the other complications.

if you catch it after being vaccinated, the vaccine should certainly be effective.

Thanks for sharing. Didnt see this before. It hits everyone differently. I'm very confident that I wont have any future covid issues. Cant imagine having the issues the assts husband had for 10 days. That has to take a longterm toll on your body in one way or another.

 

[Ski]

Anyone here know anyone that thinks they got covid after getting a vaccine? Got my second shot April 10th and early this week had a super bad cold, body ache, and swollen glands from Sunday-Tuesday. On Wednesday, my GF starting coming down with a bad cold and got tested yesterday and has covid. She was with me Mon-Tues.

I also told this story recently. I contracted Covid 9 days after receiving the first Pfizer shot. To sum it up, I had a miserable 2 weeks and ended up receiving the monoclonal antibodies a week after showing symptoms when I could no longer breathe without coughing and wheezing every time I drew a breath. It takes a while for immunity to build up post vaccine and I was still in the sweet spot for catching it.

 

[Lion84]

Got my second Moderna shot yesterday and woke up with a 103 fever this morning. Have not had a fever in years, if not decades.

Wife had the J&J, I had Moderna and my 18 daughter had the Pfizer and none of us had much of a reaction to any of them - wife a little achey but nothing much but I have heard of a lot of people struggling with the Moderna one - count us lucky I guess

 

[Cletus11]

3.4M shots yesterday so total up to 222.322M with the 7 day rolling average at 2.86M. 77.7% of shots administered is the national average, 41.3% of population with 1+ dose (note this is percent of population that has been given 1 or 2 doses, so total percent that have been pricked by a needle), 27.5% fully vaccinated.
So far, 137 million Americans have received at least one dose of a vaccine. At least 91.2 million people have completed a vaccination regimen.

Doses delivered is 286.13M compared to yesterday 282.14M. So 4.39 doses delivered yesterday, 21.5M doses delivered for the week. Previous week totals for doses delivered is 35.5, 29.9M, 28.22M, 23.8, 21.1M, 20.0M, 19.7M,21.2M, 5.1M, 9.96M and , 9.4M.

66,515 positives reported yesterday compared to 81,640 week over week. 7-day rolling average is at 62,053

Fatality was 790 compared to 896 yesterday and 901 week over week, 7-day rolling fatality at 723.

So the big news yesterday was J&J taken off of pause. Appears actually 3 people died of blood clots versus the one reported last week from a total of 8M doses given. Was reported that 15 total into hospital, 12 under 50 and 3 over 50, all women. I am not a medical doctor, but if I was a woman under 50, I would be getting P/M as why take the risk even if extremely small. For men, doesn't matter as no males were reported as having the blood clot issue. Also appears that the treatment if this clot occurs is not typical of blood clotting treatment and CDC/FDA has advised doctors of what that new treatment regime should be for patients that have clotting issues after given the vaccine.

Daily positive continue the downward trend with a very large decrease week over week. Top 12 below. Michigan is now 9 days in a row on the decline so it appears that spike is done. All states in that Top 10 are on the decline or essentially have been pretty constant over the past 1-2 weeks. Look at Washington and Colorado at 11 and 12 as based on a quick look, those two states are really on the rise the last few weeks. Something to keep an eye on.

Michigan -- 5640
Florida -- 5464
NY -- 5194
PA -- 4067
Illinois -- 3369
Texas -- 2982
NJ -- 2834
North Carolina -- 2167
Minnesota -- 2164
California -- 2013
Washington -- 1903
Colorado -- 1876

3.3M shots yesterday so total up to 225.640M with the 7 day rolling average at 2.82M. 77.6% of shots administered is the national average, 41.8% of population with 1+ dose, 28.0% fully vaccinated.
So far, 139 million Americans have received at least one dose of a vaccine. At least 93.1 million people have completed a vaccination regimen.

Doses delivered is 290.77M compared to yesterday 286.13M. So 4.64 doses delivered yesterday, 26.1M doses delivered for the week. Previous week totals for doses delivered is 35.5, 29.9M, 28.22M, 23.8, 21.1M, 20.0M, 19.7M,21.2M, 5.1M, 9.96M and , 9.4M.

53,280 positives reported yesterday compared to 71,608 week over week. 7-day rolling average is at 59,647

Fatality was 742 compared to 790 yesterday and 760 week over week, 7-day rolling fatality at 729.

Hospitalizations 7 day rolling average at 38,553 up 37,677 a week ago.

Hospital admissions 7 day rolling average is 5506 which is slightly down from 5551 last week.

Note....I am going to stop tracking the vaccine doses delivered as that stat no longer is really worthwhile anymore considering we are in a situation where supply outweighs demand in most locations. instead, I will start adding in the hospitalizations and admissions to the daily numbers versus doing that weekly as that is a stat that we need to track closer as the politicians are talking about that metric much more now as reasoning to keep things shut.

 

[The Spin Meister]

Cletus..... What level of fatality do you think would really make the country and messaging change to remove restrictions and mask mandates....etc... 500.... Just curious to your opinion.

By the way, your post is the best on the site.... every morning....I check and I live in Samara Costa RIca..... NIce work

His posts are what every news network, every CDC spokesmen, the White House, every governor, every newspaper, every news social media site, should be doing every day. It’s almost criminal that they aren’t.

 

[KanePoster]

New Predictions about "Total Deaths" in the coming months.

This is the first time I've seen someone (other than myself) say this - expect deaths to plummet shortly, as the only people really being killed were almost there anyway:

Pandemic impact on old vs young

 

[Cletus11]

Cletus..... What level of fatality do you think would really make the country and messaging change to remove restrictions and mask mandates....etc... 500.... Just curious to your opinion.

By the way, your post is the best on the site.... every morning....I check and I live in Samara Costa RIca..... NIce work

I have been pondering that now for a while. below is from the CDC on just the standard flu.

While the impact of flu varies, it places a substantial burden on the health of people in the United States each year. CDC estimates that influenza has resulted in between 9 million – 45 million illnesses, between 140,000 – 810,000 hospitalizations and between 12,000 – 61,000 deaths annually since 2010.

So the worst normal flu seasons estimate about 61,000 deaths which is equal 170 deaths per day, 810,000 hospitalizations is 2,200 per day, and 45M cases is 123,000 cases per day.

So we are already well under the cases per day threshold for a bad flu season. Then you look at hospitalizations and fatalities recognizing that the way Covid is coded means that everything is coded Covid and that is not the case with the common flu. So those flu numbers are probably on the light side of common flu was coded the same as Covid, but at least they are a benchmark point.

But realistically, we are not talking medical science for metrics to open up, it is about political science now as we see with continuing mask mandates for people outside and vaccinated people who are together even though medically that makes no sense from a risk management standpoint.

So we are starting to see some states 'announcing' opening plans like California, Connecticut, Virginia and many states down south are already pretty much open. So the next stage is when to most states and the admin come out and say that the country should have no mask mandates, no indoor dining restrictions, no outside stadium and concert and festival limits, etc....back to normal. I think for that to happen we need to see at least 6 weeks of downward numbers such that there can be no discussion about a 'spike' due to a variant and therefore that is the reason we cannot open up. We have seen the last week hopefully that start of the final decline. We broke under 60,000 daily positives today for the first time since late March. Michigan, NY, PA, NJ are all trending down hard. So hopefully that spike that started mid March was the last hurrah. Fatality has unfortunately been really slow on the decline which doesn't make much sense considering all the data on who was dying and all those people being vaccinated. I think Kane had the graph of total deaths that show we are back in the 'normal' area such that Covid is not contributing excessive deaths at all. Govenors and politicians will continue to use the daily fatality as a reason not to open up more so realistically can only hope that with the dailly positives going down and the continued vaccinations that the fatality rate decrease starts to move a little faster. And finaly hospitalizations. At 5500 per day and 39,000 total, that number really needs to be cut in half.

We have 5 weeks to Memorial Day weekend. If we can keep up some level of vaccination rate to the point of getting about 65%+ of adults vaccinated by then (at 53.8% now), I think you will see the decrease in daily positives continue a downward trend (along with fatality and hospitalizations). Pressure is going to mount to open up as more states announce openings, numbers continue to go down, and the general sentiment that anybody who wants a vaccine will have had the chance to get one. From a pure metric standpoint, I think that if we can get below 30,000 daily positive, daily fatality down below 400 and hospitalizations down below 3000 per day than going to be tough for politicians to continue to say that we need to stay closed. I am hoping that in May we start to see more gradual openings across the country and in June things really start to open up as the numbers just are so low by that point that there is no longer good enough justification to keep closed.

 

[interrobang]

Numbers have been trending down in the last couple weeks in every region except the Pacific NW (which is still seeing slight increases), consistent with the Hope Simpson scale.

 

[KanePoster]

I have been pondering that now for a while. below is from the CDC on just the standard flu.

While the impact of flu varies, it places a substantial burden on the health of people in the United States each year. CDC estimates that influenza has resulted in between 9 million – 45 million illnesses, between 140,000 – 810,000 hospitalizations and between 12,000 – 61,000 deaths annually since 2010.

So the worst normal flu seasons estimate about 61,000 deaths which is equal 170 deaths per day, 810,000 hospitalizations is 2,200 per day, and 45M cases is 123,000 cases per day.

So we are already well under the cases per day threshold for a bad flu season. Then you look at hospitalizations and fatalities recognizing that the way Covid is coded means that everything is coded Covid and that is not the case with the common flu. So those flu numbers are probably on the light side of common flu was coded the same as Covid, but at least they are a benchmark point.

But realistically, we are not talking medical science for metrics to open up, it is about political science now as we see with continuing mask mandates for people outside and vaccinated people who are together even though medically that makes no sense from a risk management standpoint.

So we are starting to see some states 'announcing' opening plans like California, Connecticut, Virginia and many states down south are already pretty much open. So the next stage is when to most states and the admin come out and say that the country should have no mask mandates, no indoor dining restrictions, no outside stadium and concert and festival limits, etc....back to normal. I think for that to happen we need to see at least 6 weeks of downward numbers such that there can be no discussion about a 'spike' due to a variant and therefore that is the reason we cannot open up. We have seen the last week hopefully that start of the final decline. We broke under 60,000 daily positives today for the first time since late March. Michigan, NY, PA, NJ are all trending down hard. So hopefully that spike that started mid March was the last hurrah. Fatality has unfortunately been really slow on the decline which doesn't make much sense considering all the data on who was dying and all those people being vaccinated. I think Kane had the graph of total deaths that show we are back in the 'normal' area such that Covid is not contributing excessive deaths at all. Govenors and politicians will continue to use the daily fatality as a reason not to open up more so realistically can only hope that with the dailly positives going down and the continued vaccinations that the fatality rate decrease starts to move a little faster. And finaly hospitalizations. At 5500 per day and 39,000 total, that number really needs to be cut in half.

We have 5 weeks to Memorial Day weekend. If we can keep up some level of vaccination rate to the point of getting about 65%+ of adults vaccinated by then (at 53.8% now), I think you will see the decrease in daily positives continue a downward trend (along with fatality and hospitalizations). Pressure is going to mount to open up as more states announce openings, numbers continue to go down, and the general sentiment that anybody who wants a vaccine will have had the chance to get one. From a pure metric standpoint, I think that if we can get below 30,000 daily positive, daily fatality down below 400 and hospitalizations down below 3000 per day than going to be tough for politicians to continue to say that we need to stay closed. I am hoping that in May we start to see more gradual openings across the country and in June things really start to open up as the numbers just are so low by that point that there is no longer good enough justification to keep closed.

Here's the graph again. The weak spot is that the numbers continue to fill in for at least 4 more weeks (and they trickle after that, but for these purposes, it doesn't change much).

So, I think we can't yet conclude that we're back to "normal total deaths" yet. This data gets updated on Thursday, so I'll post the updated chart at that time.

Red is the expected deaths per year without Covid (it is a simple linear regression, plus a sinusoidal component curve fitted to all the data from 2015 to 2019.....

 

[Cletus11]

3.3M shots yesterday so total up to 225.640M with the 7 day rolling average at 2.82M. 77.6% of shots administered is the national average, 41.8% of population with 1+ dose, 28.0% fully vaccinated.
So far, 139 million Americans have received at least one dose of a vaccine. At least 93.1 million people have completed a vaccination regimen.

Doses delivered is 290.77M compared to yesterday 286.13M. So 4.64 doses delivered yesterday, 26.1M doses delivered for the week. Previous week totals for doses delivered is 35.5, 29.9M, 28.22M, 23.8, 21.1M, 20.0M, 19.7M,21.2M, 5.1M, 9.96M and , 9.4M.

53,280 positives reported yesterday compared to 71,608 week over week. 7-day rolling average is at 59,647

Fatality was 742 compared to 790 yesterday and 760 week over week, 7-day rolling fatality at 729.

Hospitalizations 7 day rolling average at 38,553 up 37,677 a week ago.

Hospital admissions 7 day rolling average is 5506 which is slightly down from 5551 last week.

Note....I am going to stop tracking the vaccine doses delivered as that stat no longer is really worthwhile anymore considering we are in a situation where supply outweighs demand in most locations. instead, I will start adding in the hospitalizations and admissions to the daily numbers versus doing that weekly as that is a stat that we need to track closer as the politicians are talking about that metric much more now as reasoning to keep things shut.

3.0M shots yesterday so total up to 228.661M with the 7 day rolling average at 2.75M. 78.7% of shots administered is the national average, 42.2% of population with 1+ dose (54.3% of the adult population), 28.5% of population fully vaccinated.

So far, 140 million Americans have received at least one dose of a vaccine. At least 94.8 million people have completed a vaccination regimen.

34,736 positives reported yesterday compared to 51,808 week over week. 7-day rolling average is at 57,208

Fatality was 273 compared to 742 yesterday and 305 week over week, 7-day rolling fatality at 724.

Hospitalizations reported is 34,488 with a 7 day rolling average at 38,111.

Hospital admissions reported is 4,962 with a 7 day rolling average is 5376.

Note...as always, Monday morning reporting is very low as many states do NOT report Sunday numbers. But even said, those are really low for a Monday, let's just hope that a few states didn't just start stopping to report on Monday morning and those week over week numbers are real.

Also note, a lot of chatter yesterday on the talk shows that new guidance is coming for outdoor activities and fully vaccinated people. So expect that this week we will see some loosening up of things. Nowhere near probably what we hope and they should be, but at least it appears that fully vaccinated people they will finally say no need to wear a mask outside (unless in a packed group they will say). I think you also see that CDC will say that fully vaccinated people (who are not family members) can be together without masks also if fully vaccinated.

 

[interrobang]

 

[roswelllion]

I have been saying that for months. At the very least those folks should have been at the back of the line. Could have freed up millions of vaccines early on.
to the question well how would we know? We wouldn't have BUT had the CDC and Sir Fauci said
If you have had COVID the vaccine likely provides no additional benefit and the reaction from shots could be worse for those with ani bodies already. [I believe that has been stated] . If the data changes in coming months we will advise you.
Those 3 statements would have given people enough reason to wait.

 

[Cletus11]

I have been saying that for months. At the very least those folks should have been at the back of the line. Could have freed up millions of vaccines early on.
to the question well how would we know? We wouldn't have BUT had the CDC and Sir Fauci said
If you have had COVID the vaccine likely provides no additional benefit and the reaction from shots could be worse for those with ani bodies already. [I believe that has been stated] . If the data changes in coming months we will advise you.
Those 3 statements would have given people enough reason to wait.

Your memory must be alluding you. If you remember back last year, there was a ton of fear porn about re-infection and how nobody knew how long anti-bodies would last. That the antibodies can only be confirmed to last X months (they never finished the sentence to say X was the amount of time that people first started to get Covid and that if Covid acted like other viruses that the anti-bodies would last for an extended period). So telling people with a confirmed case of Covid or confirmed anti-body testing to wait would have rendered all that rhetoric to be false which you cannot have.

You could also make an argument that if you have confirmed covid case that it is only necessary to get one shot (versus two) as your first 'shot' is basically akin to getting Covid the first time.

 

[Obliviax]

3.0M shots yesterday so total up to 228.661M with the 7 day rolling average at 2.75M. 78.7% of shots administered is the national average, 42.2% of population with 1+ dose (54.3% of the adult population), 28.5% of population fully vaccinated.

So far, 140 million Americans have received at least one dose of a vaccine. At least 94.8 million people have completed a vaccination regimen.

34,736 positives reported yesterday compared to 51,808 week over week. 7-day rolling average is at 57,208

Fatality was 273 compared to 742 yesterday and 305 week over week, 7-day rolling fatality at 724.

Hospitalizations reported is 34,488 with a 7 day rolling average at 38,111.

Hospital admissions reported is 4,962 with a 7 day rolling average is 5376.

Note...as always, Monday morning reporting is very low as many states do NOT report Sunday numbers. But even said, those are really low for a Monday, let's just hope that a few states didn't just start stopping to report on Monday morning and those week over week numbers are real.

Also note, a lot of chatter yesterday on the talk shows that new guidance is coming for outdoor activities and fully vaccinated people. So expect that this week we will see some loosening up of things. Nowhere near probably what we hope and they should be, but at least it appears that fully vaccinated people they will finally say no need to wear a mask outside (unless in a packed group they will say). I think you also see that CDC will say that fully vaccinated people (who are not family members) can be together without masks also if fully vaccinated.

I golfed yesterday with one of the person's responsible for keeping the Gov of Ohio up to date on statistics (for the state, not the USA). he was really angry that the USA is not "following the science" as quickly as is needed and is blowing their credibility. His example was 6 feet for social distancing. We've known, for months, that this was not necessary and officially changed it to 3 two months ago. yet, the govt guidance is still six feet. The same is true with wearing a mask outside. People are losing patience and when they realize the govt hasn't been keeping up with stats, is just throwing out all guidance. It is a credibility issue.

 

[Cletus11]

I golfed yesterday with one of the person's responsible for keeping the Gov of Ohio up to date on statistics (for the state, not the USA). he was really angry that the USA is not "following the science" as quickly as is needed and is blowing their credibility. His example was 6 feet for social distancing. We've known, for months, that this was not necessary and officially changed it to 3 two months ago. yet, the govt guidance is still six feet. The same is true with wearing a mask outside. People are losing patience and when they realize the govt hasn't been keeping up with stats, is just throwing out all guidance. It is a credibility issue.

When CNN is publishing articles saying that masks outside with vaccinated people are not needed, then you know you have lost credibility as they never want to go against the admin. The CDC has lost credibility in the USA and world based on their bumbling of the whole initial testing (remember how bad they were at that trying to develop their own test versus just using the WHO method to start and coming out with a better on later). All the way to the soundbite of a couple of weeks ago of the 'Impending doom' comment.

 

[Obliviax]

When CNN is publishing articles saying that masks outside with vaccinated people are not needed, then you know you have lost credibility as they never want to go against the admin. The CDC has lost credibility in the USA and world based on their bumbling of the whole initial testing (remember how bad they were at that trying to develop their own test versus just using the WHO method to start and coming out with a better on later). All the way to the soundbite of a couple of weeks ago of the 'Impending doom' comment.

I saw this poll over the weekend. If you disregard the political parties, it shows how ill-informed all Americans are relative to the facts of COVID. The answer to the question "What are the chances somebody with COVID must be hospitalized?" (not anyone, but someone who is confirmed to have COVID). The answer is between 1% and 5%. It looks like, maybe, 18% or so got it correct. But over 60% of people thought it was higher than 20%. ~ 30% thought it was over 50% chance of needing hospitalization.

 

[bison13]

I saw this poll over the weekend. If you disregard the political parties, it shows how ill-informed all Americans are relative to the facts of COVID. The answer to the question "What are the chances somebody with COVID must be hospitalized?" (not anyone, but someone who is confirmed to have COVID). The answer is between 1% and 5%. It looks like, maybe, 18% or so got it correct. But over 60% of people thought it was higher than 20%. ~ 30% thought it was over 50% chance of needing hospitalization.

Sorry, you cant disregard the political parties. Especially with where they get their news from. Thats what I get from this graph

 

[Obliviax]

Sorry you cant disregard the political parties. Especially with where they get their news from. Thats what I get from this graph

well, if you look at the graph, neither party, nor independent, scored well against the facts.

 

[interrobang]

I saw this poll over the weekend. If you disregard the political parties, it shows how ill-informed all Americans are relative to the facts of COVID. The answer to the question "What are the chances somebody with COVID must be hospitalized?" (not anyone, but someone who is confirmed to have COVID). The answer is between 1% and 5%. It looks like, maybe, 18% or so got it correct. But over 60% of people thought it was higher than 20%. ~ 30% thought it was over 50% chance of needing hospitalization.

There was a poll last winter that asked what people though your odds were of dying from covid.

It was some extremely high number that the majority of people picked.

 

[bison13]

well, if you look at the graph, neither party, nor independent, scored well against the facts.

true but one definitely higher than the other

 

[interrobang]

Updated breakthrough case data. It's still at 0.008% of vaccinated people that got covid

COVID-19 Breakthrough Case Investigations and Reporting | CDC

Information and resources to help public health departments and laboratories investigate and report COVID-19 vaccine breakthrough cases.

www.cdc.gov

 

[Cletus11]

3.0M shots yesterday so total up to 228.661M with the 7 day rolling average at 2.75M. 78.7% of shots administered is the national average, 42.2% of population with 1+ dose (54.3% of the adult population), 28.5% of population fully vaccinated.

So far, 140 million Americans have received at least one dose of a vaccine. At least 94.8 million people have completed a vaccination regimen.

34,736 positives reported yesterday compared to 51,808 week over week. 7-day rolling average is at 57,208

Fatality was 273 compared to 742 yesterday and 305 week over week, 7-day rolling fatality at 724.

Hospitalizations reported is 34,488 with a 7 day rolling average at 38,111.

Hospital admissions reported is 4,962 with a 7 day rolling average is 5376.

Note...as always, Monday morning reporting is very low as many states do NOT report Sunday numbers. But even said, those are really low for a Monday, let's just hope that a few states didn't just start stopping to report on Monday morning and those week over week numbers are real.

Also note, a lot of chatter yesterday on the talk shows that new guidance is coming for outdoor activities and fully vaccinated people. So expect that this week we will see some loosening up of things. Nowhere near probably what we hope and they should be, but at least it appears that fully vaccinated people they will finally say no need to wear a mask outside (unless in a packed group they will say). I think you also see that CDC will say that fully vaccinated people (who are not family members) can be together without masks also if fully vaccinated.

2.1M shots yesterday so total up to 230.768M with the 7 day rolling average at 2.74M. 79.4% of shots administered is the national average, 42.5% of population with 1+ dose (54.7% of the adult population), 28.9% of population fully vaccinated.

So far, 141 million Americans have received at least one dose of a vaccine. At least 95.9 million people have completed a vaccination regimen.

47,456 positives reported yesterday compared to 51,892 week over week. 7-day rolling average is at 58,300

Fatality was 455 compared to 273 yesterday and 504 week over week, 7-day rolling fatality at 715.

Hospitalizations reported is 27,672 compared to yesterday 34,488 with a 7 day rolling average at 36,654.

Hospital admissions reported is 3,936 compared to yesterday 4,962 with a 7 day rolling average is 5107.


Another very low daily positive day which is good to see, daily fatality also slowly working way down.

 

[roswelllion]

2.1M shots yesterday so total up to 230.768M with the 7 day rolling average at 2.74M. 79.4% of shots administered is the national average, 42.5% of population with 1+ dose (54.7% of the adult population), 28.9% of population fully vaccinated.

So far, 141 million Americans have received at least one dose of a vaccine. At least 95.9 million people have completed a vaccination regimen.

47,456 positives reported yesterday compared to 51,892 week over week. 7-day rolling average is at 58,300

Fatality was 455 compared to 273 yesterday and 504 week over week, 7-day rolling fatality at 715.

Hospitalizations reported is 27,672 compared to yesterday 34,488 with a 7 day rolling average at 36,654.

Hospital admissions reported is 3,936 compared to yesterday 4,962 with a 7 day rolling average is 5107.


Another very low daily positive day which is good to see, daily fatality also slowly working way down.

It is expected that the admin and CDC will come out with new guidance today concerning wearing masks outdoors and what vaccinated people can do. Interesting to watch CNN last night where they had one of their medical experts on (not Dr. Gupta) but another lady. This lady was actually rather negative on the previous administration in her first couple of interviews a couple of months ago to the point she was annoying about it and I thought a little unprofessional. But she has gotten much better over the last month plus and flat out said last night in an interview with Anderson Cooper that wearing masks outside makes no medical sense and should not be happening. Said we have to go from 'no risk' mentality to 'limited risk' mentality if we are ever going to get back to some semblance of normal. Anderson Cooper was literally shocked and started to stammer a little bit and Cooper literally said, "but what if I am walking down the street and somebody has Covid, isn't that risky, don't I need a mask". It was really bad on his part from either pure fear porn or being really stupid. This lady also said something else very interesting, she said this admin is failing on PUBLIC health policy and the reason is that when you are doing PUBLIC health policy you actually have to taken into account THE PUBLIC. And if as an agency most people have tuned you out and are not listening to you, then as a public health organization you have failed as your goal is to influence the public and how they act and view health initiatives. And until the admin recognizes that you have to meet the public sometimes halfway and be more practical in what you say that this will continue. I wonder if this lady will allowed to be on after the interview last night on CNN as she was definitely not using the typical CNN fear porn talking points.

2.1 million vaccinations is extremely disappointing. Seems to me with vaccines effectively open to all that number could/should be double the 2.1. now we'll start paying people to get vaccinated. if were slow walking this what would you do? Wait for the pay off.

 

[cment]

What I have found interesting that there has been 32 million positive COVID cases in the US. That is nearly 1 of 10 of all Americans and I would assume almost 95% of positive patients are over the age of 18 (74m kids in the US.). I am thinking that 75% of the population has either had COVID or been exposed to it by now.

 

[Obliviax]

What I have found interesting that there has been 32 million positive COVID cases in the US. That is nearly 1 of 10 of all Americans and I would assume almost 95% of positive patients are over the age of 18 (74m kids in the US.). I am thinking that 75% of the population has either had COVID or been exposed to it by now.

Also, I am reading that north of 30% of people that get COVID don't even know so there is no positive test to go by. That is even a small number because they really have no idea of the percentage of asymptomatic versus symptomatic infections. Those who are not symptomatic never go get tested. If 30% is the minimum, the 32 million positive is at least 41.6m. Then add those who got it, got mildly sick, and never went to get tested.

 

[Cletus11]

2.1M shots yesterday so total up to 230.768M with the 7 day rolling average at 2.74M. 79.4% of shots administered is the national average, 42.5% of population with 1+ dose (54.7% of the adult population), 28.9% of population fully vaccinated.

So far, 141 million Americans have received at least one dose of a vaccine. At least 95.9 million people have completed a vaccination regimen.

47,456 positives reported yesterday compared to 51,892 week over week. 7-day rolling average is at 58,300

Fatality was 455 compared to 273 yesterday and 504 week over week, 7-day rolling fatality at 715.

Hospitalizations reported is 27,672 compared to yesterday 34,488 with a 7 day rolling average at 36,654.

Hospital admissions reported is 3,936 compared to yesterday 4,962 with a 7 day rolling average is 5107.


Another very low daily positive day which is good to see, daily fatality also slowly working way down.

It is expected that the admin and CDC will come out with new guidance today concerning wearing masks outdoors and what vaccinated people can do. Interesting to watch CNN last night where they had one of their medical experts on (not Dr. Gupta) but another lady. This lady was actually rather negative on the previous administration in her first couple of interviews a couple of months ago to the point she was annoying about it and I thought a little unprofessional. But she has gotten much better over the last month plus and flat out said last night in an interview with Anderson Cooper that wearing masks outside makes no medical sense and should not be happening. Said we have to go from 'no risk' mentality to 'limited risk' mentality if we are ever going to get back to some semblance of normal. Anderson Cooper was literally shocked and started to stammer a little bit and Cooper literally said, "but what if I am walking down the street and somebody has Covid, isn't that risky, don't I need a mask". It was really bad on his part from either pure fear porn or being really stupid. This lady also said something else very interesting, she said this admin is failing on PUBLIC health policy and the reason is that when you are doing PUBLIC health policy you actually have to taken into account THE PUBLIC. And if as an agency most people have tuned you out and are not listening to you, then as a public health organization you have failed as your goal is to influence the public and how they act and view health initiatives. And until the admin recognizes that you have to meet the public sometimes halfway and be more practical in what you say that this will continue. I wonder if this lady will allowed to be on after the interview last night on CNN as she was definitely not using the typical CNN fear porn talking points.

1.6M shots yesterday so total up to 232.407M with the 7 day rolling average at 2.72M. 78.1% of shots administered is the national average, 42.7% of population with 1+ dose (55.0% of the adult population), 29.1% of population fully vaccinated.

So far, 142 million Americans have received at least one dose of a vaccine. At least 96.7 million people have completed a vaccination regimen.

52,046 positives reported yesterday compared to 60,987 week over week. 7-day rolling average is at 57,024

Fatality was 885 compared to 455 yesterday and 888 week over week, 7-day rolling fatality at 722.

Hospitalizations reported is 33,927compared to yesterday 27,672 with a 7 day rolling average at 37,092.

Hospital admissions reported is 4,228 compared to yesterday 3,936 with a 7 day rolling average is 5089.

 

[Cletus11]

1.6M shots yesterday so total up to 232.407M with the 7 day rolling average at 2.72M. 78.1% of shots administered is the national average, 42.7% of population with 1+ dose (55.0% of the adult population), 29.1% of population fully vaccinated.

So far, 142 million Americans have received at least one dose of a vaccine. At least 96.7 million people have completed a vaccination regimen.

52,046 positives reported yesterday compared to 60,987 week over week. 7-day rolling average is at 57,024

Fatality was 885 compared to 455 yesterday and 888 week over week, 7-day rolling fatality at 722.

Hospitalizations reported is 33,927compared to yesterday 27,672 with a 7 day rolling average at 37,092.

Hospital admissions reported is 4,228 compared to yesterday 3,936 with a 7 day rolling average is 5089.

2.23M shots yesterday so total up to 234.639M with the 7 day rolling average at 2.67M. 77.7% of shots administered is the national average, 43.0% of population with 1+ dose (55.3% of the adult population), 29.5% of population fully vaccinated.

So far, 143 million Americans have received at least one dose of a vaccine. At least 98 million people have completed a vaccination regimen.

56,604 positives reported yesterday compared to 65,356 week over week. 7-day rolling average is at 55,773

Fatality was 954 compared to 885 yesterday and 913 week over week, 7-day rolling fatality at 727.

Hospitalizations reported 7 day rolling average is 37,606 compared to one week ago 38,651 down 2.5%.

Hospital admissions reported 7 day rolling average is 5,142 compared to one week ago 5625 down 8.6%.

For the hospital data, I am switching to just reporting the 7 day average of today versus the 7 day average from a week ago. The day to day appears to be too inconsistent to be able to use it.

So since reporting hospitalizations now, to give some historical data to compare. For hospital admissions, in the low point in September before the big spike, admissions were at a 7 day average of 3,300. At the peak in early January this year they were at 16,000. So the current admissions of 5,142 is low, but still has a ways to move to get down to all time low levels of 3,000.

For hospitalizations, in the low point in September before the big spike, admissions were at a 7 day average of 23,000. At the peak in early January this year they were at 120,000. So the current admissions of 37,606 is low, but still has a ways to move to get down to all time low levels of 20,000.

For daily positives, Top 10:
Florida - 5178
Michigan - 4943
Texas - 3852
PA - 3542
NY - 3365
Illinois -- 2728
NJ -- 2113
North Carolina -- 1765
Ohio -- 1723
Washington -- 1668

 

[Cletus11]

2.23M shots yesterday so total up to 234.639M with the 7 day rolling average at 2.67M. 77.7% of shots administered is the national average, 43.0% of population with 1+ dose (55.3% of the adult population), 29.5% of population fully vaccinated.

So far, 143 million Americans have received at least one dose of a vaccine. At least 98 million people have completed a vaccination regimen.

56,604 positives reported yesterday compared to 65,356 week over week. 7-day rolling average is at 55,773

Fatality was 954 compared to 885 yesterday and 913 week over week, 7-day rolling fatality at 727.

Hospitalizations reported 7 day rolling average is 37,606 compared to one week ago 38,651 down 2.5%.

Hospital admissions reported 7 day rolling average is 5,142 compared to one week ago 5625 down 8.6%.

For the hospital data, I am switching to just reporting the 7 day average of today versus the 7 day average from a week ago. The day to day appears to be too inconsistent to be able to use it.

So since reporting hospitalizations now, to give some historical data to compare. For hospital admissions, in the low point in September before the big spike, admissions were at a 7 day average of 3,300. At the peak in early January this year they were at 16,000. So the current admissions of 5,142 is low, but still has a ways to move to get down to all time low levels of 3,000.

For hospitalizations, in the low point in September before the big spike, admissions were at a 7 day average of 23,000. At the peak in early January this year they were at 120,000. So the current admissions of 37,606 is low, but still has a ways to move to get down to all time low levels of 20,000.

For daily positives, Top 10:
Florida - 5178
Michigan - 4943
Texas - 3852
PA - 3542
NY - 3365
Illinois -- 2728
NJ -- 2113
North Carolina -- 1765
Ohio -- 1723
Washington -- 1668

2.72M shots yesterday so total up to 237.360M with the 7 day rolling average at 2.63M. 77.7% of shots administered is the national average, 43.3% of population with 1+ dose (55.8% of the adult population), 30.0% of population fully vaccinated.

So far, 144 million Americans have received at least one dose of a vaccine. At least 99.7 million people have completed a vaccination regimen.

59,269 positives reported yesterday compared to 66,963 week over week. 7-day rolling average is at 54,675

Fatality was 870 compared to 954 yesterday and 932 week over week, 7-day rolling fatality at 719.

Hospitalizations reported 7 day rolling average is 37,226 compared to one week ago 38,727 down 3.9%.

Hospital admissions reported 7 day rolling average is 5,057 compared to one week ago 5607 down 9.8%.


Note that todays 7 day rolling average of daily positives of 54,675 has finally gotten below the mid-March low point of 55,500 so we have finally got back down below where we were before the late March/early April spike. So lowest daily total since mid-October of last year.

Also note that the 7 day fatality of 719 is lower than any value at the low point this past 2020 autumn and you have to go back to last mid-June through early July as the only timeframe since Covid started that it has ever been lower.

 

[interrobang]

CDC estimates 114 million have gotten covid so far. Though the number of symptomatic seems very high, as well as the hospitalization number.

Cases, Data, and Surveillance

Cases, data, and surveillance to track and analyze COVID-19.

www.cdc.gov

 

[Cletus11]

2.72M shots yesterday so total up to 237.360M with the 7 day rolling average at 2.63M. 77.7% of shots administered is the national average, 43.3% of population with 1+ dose (55.8% of the adult population), 30.0% of population fully vaccinated.

So far, 144 million Americans have received at least one dose of a vaccine. At least 99.7 million people have completed a vaccination regimen.

59,269 positives reported yesterday compared to 66,963 week over week. 7-day rolling average is at 54,675

Fatality was 870 compared to 954 yesterday and 932 week over week, 7-day rolling fatality at 719.

Hospitalizations reported 7 day rolling average is 37,226 compared to one week ago 38,727 down 3.9%.

Hospital admissions reported 7 day rolling average is 5,057 compared to one week ago 5607 down 9.8%.


Note that todays 7 day rolling average of daily positives of 54,675 has finally gotten below the mid-March low point of 55,500 so we have finally got back down below where we were before the late March/early April spike. So lowest daily total since mid-October of last year.

Also note that the 7 day fatality of 719 is lower than any value at the low point this past 2020 autumn and you have to go back to last mid-June through early July as the only timeframe since Covid started that it has ever been lower.

2.8M shots yesterday so total up to 240.159M with the 7 day rolling average at 2.55M. 77.8% of shots administered is the national average, 43.6% of population with 1+ dose (56.2% of the adult population), 30.5% of population fully vaccinated.

So far, 145 million Americans have received at least one dose of a vaccine. At least 101 million people have completed a vaccination regimen.

59,906 positives reported yesterday compared to 67,062 week over week. 7-day rolling average is at 53,653

Fatality was 784 compared to 870 yesterday and 811 week over week, 7-day rolling fatality at 724.

Hospitalizations reported 7 day rolling average is 36,716 compared to one week ago 38,835 down 5.5%.

Hospital admissions reported 7 day rolling average is 4,963 compared to one week ago 5583 down 11.1%.


Hospitalizations and daily positives (and vaccines) still on the downward trend. Fatality data seems to be stuck at the low 700's number all week and not moving. We'll see if we start to see the fatality number start to go down again this week as we continue to see the other metrics going down again and we know fatality trails those somewhat.

 

[Nitt1300]

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Missouri hospitals are reeling from an influx of COVID-19 patients and the surge has prompted one hospital to open up a second intensive care unit.
COVID-19 hospitalizations have soared 135% at Saint Luke’s Health System in Kansas City over two weeks and the hospital is currently treating 40 patients, according to local ABC affiliate KMBC.
Doctors say the patients coming through their doors are unvaccinated 30- to 50-year-olds.
The University of Kansas Health System had to open a second COVID-19 ICU with the rise of patients. The health system had 17 patients hospitalized with COVID on Friday, a rise from 13 the day prior, and nine were in the ICU with three on ventilators, according to The Kansas City Star.

more: https://www.yahoo.com/gma/hospitalizations-rise-135-kansas-city-141800113.html

 

[tgar]

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Missouri hospitals are reeling from an influx of COVID-19 patients and the surge has prompted one hospital to open up a second intensive care unit.
COVID-19 hospitalizations have soared 135% at Saint Luke’s Health System in Kansas City over two weeks and the hospital is currently treating 40 patients, according to local ABC affiliate KMBC.
Doctors say the patients coming through their doors are unvaccinated 30- to 50-year-olds.
The University of Kansas Health System had to open a second COVID-19 ICU with the rise of patients. The health system had 17 patients hospitalized with COVID on Friday, a rise from 13 the day prior, and nine were in the ICU with three on ventilators, according to The Kansas City Star.

more: https://www.yahoo.com/gma/hospitalizations-rise-135-kansas-city-141800113.html

To back that up I will just drop this here.

COVID 'Doesn't Discriminate By Age': Serious Cases On The Rise In Younger Adults — NPR

With older adults vaccinated, doctors say a growing share of their COVID-19 patients are in their 20s, 30s, 40s and 50s, as more contagious variants circulate among people who are still unvaccinated.

apple.news

 

[interrobang]

Well of course the patients are younger. It's because the younger you are, the less likely that you're vaccinated.

More fear porn about variants.

 

[tgar]

Well of course the patients are younger. It's because the younger you are, the less likely that you're vaccinated.

More fear porn about variants.

The current state of things as expressed by many folks here on the board is it only affects senior citizens and younger people shouldn’t concern themselves with getting vaccinated. Hell, Joe Rogan said it was cool, many here echoed that sentiment.

How does a population get to herd immunity again? Yeah, I get it, it’s less likely you will get vaccinated but it couldn’t hurt and could even help your own cause along with the cause of others. But hey, why bother, Joe said it was cool.

let’s keep encouraging the youth of America not your get vaccinated.

 

[interrobang]

I also find it hard to believe large Missouri hospitals are filling up over the couple hundred cases per day the state sees.

 

[Delco Lion]

I also find it hard to believe large Missouri hospitals are filling up over the couple hundred cases per day the state sees.

I looked at the websites for these medical systems and they are large multi location hospitals who you would think could handle 20-40 Covid patients. I think it’s good that they are getting the message out about the age group of these Covid patients, but I really have to question if these hospitals can’t handle the numbers mentioned in the article.

 

[Nitt1300]

I also find it hard to believe large Missouri hospitals are filling up over the couple hundred cases per day the state sees.

I find a lot of things hard to believe. Sadly many of them exist.

 

[wilbury]

The current state of things as expressed by many folks here on the board is it only affects senior citizens and younger people shouldn’t concern themselves with getting vaccinated. Hell, Joe Rogan said it was cool, many here echoed that sentiment.

How does a population get to herd immunity again? Yeah, I get it, it’s less likely you will get vaccinated but it couldn’t hurt and could even help your own cause along with the cause of others. But hey, why bother, Joe said it was cool.

let’s keep encouraging the youth of America not your get vaccinated.

We're going to get to herd immunity through a combination of vaccinations and people who've already had it. It's not going to happen through vaccinations alone. At least not this year.

 

[Nitt1300]

We're going to get to herd immunity through a combination of vaccinations and people who've already had it. It's not going to happen through vaccinations alone. At least not this year.

Agreed- if we get there at all, that is.

 

[Nitt1300]

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New Yahoo News/YouGov COVID poll: The U.S. is about to run out of adults who are eager to get vaccinated​

Andrew Romano
·West Coast Correspondent
Sat, May 1, 2021, 10:49 AM



The U.S. is about to run out of adults who are ready and willing to get vaccinated against COVID-19, according to a new Yahoo News/YouGov poll.
The survey of 1,558 Americans 18 or older, which was conducted from April 27 to April 29, found that while the number who say they have already been vaccinated (57 percent) has continued to climb in recent weeks, just 6 percent now say they have not yet been vaccinated but plan to get a shot “as soon as it is available to me.”
That’s down from 35 percent in February and 17 percent earlier in April.

At the same time, the share of adults who say they are unsure (7 percent), are waiting to see “what happens to others before deciding” (10 percent) or will “never” get vaccinated (20 percent) has not budged.
The implication is stark: Unless many of the unvaccinated Americans who have been saying for months that they’re waiting or unsure have a sudden change of heart, fewer than 65 percent of U.S. adults are likely to be inoculated against COVID-19 this spring — far short of the level experts say is required for the kind of lasting population-wide protection known as herd immunity.
Reaching that threshold — the point when an estimated 80 percent of all Americans regardless of age have been vaccinated and the coronavirus runs out of potential hosts — would then require an additional 96 million U.S. residents to be vaccinated, a process that could presumably begin when regulators approve the COVID vaccines for use in children.
The only problem? There are just 73 million minors in the entire country, and nowhere near all of them will be vaccinated.
Herd immunity through vaccination, in other words, seems almost certain to elude the U.S. — an outcome that has become increasingly plausible in recent weeks as vaccine supply outstrips demand and the average number of daily doses administered starts to slip.