USA COVID-19 Vaccination Updates

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scary stuff. my only comment is that this is the kind of stuff that has me convinced this virus came from a lab after being engineered for gain of function. I read, early on, that this virus was so far outside of anything seen before in terms of how quickly it adapts and mutates. It is off-the-charts. That is why it couldn't be contained from discovery to pandemic. Despite experiences with previous viruses, this one outperformed them by a WIDE margin. That kind of leap in capability defies laws of evolution and almost surely was the result of gain of strength engineering, IMHO>
Definitely came from Chinese lab…laughable to think otherwise.
 

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So the BA4 and BA5 variant are taking over, it appears that BA5 will end up completely taking over as the dominant strain in the next couple of weeks. Bad news is that the BA5 variant can evade previous immunity due to natural infection. So if you had Alpha or Delta or even Omicron BA1, it doesn't appear to care and you still get infected again. And for the double whammy, BA5 appears to be MORE VIRULENT then the other omicron variants as unlike previous omicrons which really just were upper respiratory (nose and throat mainly) the BA5 variant appears to be attacking back down in the chest again like the original strains. When you look at some numbers in Europe, it looks like BA5 is going to match the infection peaks of BA1 which is just crazy and amazing and bad at the same time.

In other bad news, P/M are working on the next generation of vaccine which they were synthesizing from the BA1 omicron variant, basically an Omicron vaccine. But now that BA5 is already evading natural infection from BA1, that vaccine appears to be going to have very little benefit.

This all is a bad thing. I know most of us have moved on and are just living with Covid. But there is a virus out there that is mutating so fast that literally it can evade the body's own immune system from an infection from less than 6 months ago, that is just insane. And as the experts (real experts, not CDC) have discussed, almost the entire time through history virus become less and less virulent over time and more infectious hence eventually just winding themselves out. This Covid virus though is somehow becoming more invasive and infectious at faster rates then ever seen and now seems to have become more virulent at the same time.

If you listen to the Youtube vidoes of Dr. John from the UK, you could tell in his last video that he was a little bit shaken by this new BA5 data coming out. He admitted that he thought that with Omicron that between the vaccine and natural infection that herd immunity was going to be reached after BA1. But in now seeing more infectious and virulent strains coming out, he doesn't know what to think much anymore. Not good.
Globally, while some growth in cases, no major countries anywhere near previous spikes and the death rates remain many orders of magnitude below previous highs.

Wake up call to get in better shape..going to have live with it until medical community develops a REAL solution.
 

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Globally, while some growth in cases, no major countries anywhere near previous spikes and the death rates remain many orders of magnitude below previous highs.

Wake up call to get in better shape..going to have live with it until medical community develops a REAL solution.
Or until virulence declines further. It already has significantly. But you hit the nail on the head with the wake up call on personal health. It's not in a pill or a shot. It's living a healthy lifestyle and that's a personal responsibility. No short cuts. Daily investment.
 

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Or until virulence declines further. It already has significantly. But you hit the nail on the head with the wake up call on personal health. It's not in a pill or a shot. It's living a healthy lifestyle and that's a personal responsibility. No short cuts. Daily investment.
Agreed but you will get old. Father Time is undefeated. You will only be healthy for so long
 
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Globally, while some growth in cases, no major countries anywhere near previous spikes and the death rates remain many orders of magnitude below previous highs.

Wake up call to get in better shape..going to have live with it until medical community develops a REAL solution.

From a case standpoint, some countries are approaching previous high. Recognize that the USA data for instance is grossly underestimated on cases as most people now do home tests which are not reported. But UK has some more advanced data with random testing and self reporting via an app that has them approaching previous high in case counts. I doubt the UK is much different than most other countries, they just track better.

Hospitalizations are definitely NOT nearing previous spikes. For instance right now the current 7 day average for new hospital admissions (best data point in the USA to track a trend right now) is 5,118 per day. Previous spikes for Alpha, Delta, and Omicron are 16k, 13K, and 22K respectively. So we are well below those numbers. But as we are talking about cases and increased virulence, the new hospital admission was at 1,400 per day in early April, so you can see that since that time the curve has just gone up. When you look at the slope of the curve, it is about a 45 degree angle up that is not looking like a plateau has been reached. So more virulent is BA4/5 but all relative speaking we are nowhere near the Alpha and Delta wave or even the original Omicron spike.

For fatalities, since May 11 the fatality line is basically a straight line that hovers around 300 cases per day. And looking at who is dying, if you look at the chart since March 1st of this year, it is 95%+ 65 and over and 80% 75 and over. So basically the people dying right now at the current 300 per day based on the data that I can read without going really crazy into the nitty gritty details is people that are old with a very short life expectancy.
 

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And crazy enough, there are two people in our office who are now wearing masks when out in common areas. They are the two youngest people in our office, both late 20's/early 30's and both healthy. I want to ask them why they are wearing masks just to truly understand why but I know it will only somehow come back to bite me so it will remain in mystery.
 
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And crazy enough, there are two people in our office who are now wearing masks when out in common areas. They are the two youngest people in our office, both late 20's/early 30's and both healthy. I want to ask them why they are wearing masks just to truly understand why but I know it will only somehow come back to bite me so it will remain in mystery.
are they cloth masks? I still see cloth masks. In fact, saw a guy with a frog mask on the other day.
 

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And crazy enough, there are two people in our office who are now wearing masks when out in common areas. They are the two youngest people in our office, both late 20's/early 30's and both healthy. I want to ask them why they are wearing masks just to truly understand why but I know it will only somehow come back to bite me so it will remain in mystery.
I believed most things on the news were true and it was just reporting it when I was that age also
 

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are they cloth masks? I still see cloth masks. In fact, saw a guy with a frog mask on the other day.
I have a question on the blue paper masks. I thought their effectiveness had been pretty generally debunked. However my wife and I are the outliers in our family by being more conservative and more skeptical of the CDC. etc. So we have a niece's husband who is a n ER doctor and to his credit has dealt with a lot of Covid over the last 3 years. He wears a blue paper mask and a face shield while working but remains a strong advocate of the mask. So the entire family [save my wife and I] follows his advice and masks. Am I missing something. I guess i always felt the mask had to help a little [maybe 15-20%] but not much. BTW the ER doc has NOT had Covid while his wife and 2 young children have had it.
 

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I have a question on the blue paper masks. I thought their effectiveness had been pretty generally debunked. However my wife and I are the outliers in our family by being more conservative and more skeptical of the CDC. etc. So we have a niece's husband who is a n ER doctor and to his credit has dealt with a lot of Covid over the last 3 years. He wears a blue paper mask and a face shield while working but remains a strong advocate of the mask. So the entire family [save my wife and I] follows his advice and masks. Am I missing something. I guess i always felt the mask had to help a little [maybe 15-20%] but not much. BTW the ER doc has NOT had Covid while his wife and 2 young children have had it.

Take a wire screen and lay it flat raised off the ground. Dump sand on it and see how much doesn't fall through. That is how effective a non-N95 mask is for stopping a virus from going through it. The virus particles are much smaller than the filtering that non-N95 masks provide.

If you want the short version, go to around 2:13 of the video below.



Result from Yale Economic Growth Center:

  • The team also found that surgical masks were more effective than cloth masks. In villages where surgical masks were distributed there was a 12% reduction in Covid-19 symptoms, as opposed to a 5% decline in villages using cloth masks.

Largest study on masks and Covid-19 demonstrates their effectiveness in the real world

 
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And crazy enough, there are two people in our office who are now wearing masks when out in common areas. They are the two youngest people in our office, both late 20's/early 30's and both healthy. I want to ask them why they are wearing masks just to truly understand why but I know it will only somehow come back to bite me so it will remain in mystery.
We visited State College Saturday. Was really surprised(well not really) at the number of masks outside around campus. At some point someone needs to tell these people they were lied to
 

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I have a question on the blue paper masks. I thought their effectiveness had been pretty generally debunked. However my wife and I are the outliers in our family by being more conservative and more skeptical of the CDC. etc. So we have a niece's husband who is a n ER doctor and to his credit has dealt with a lot of Covid over the last 3 years. He wears a blue paper mask and a face shield while working but remains a strong advocate of the mask. So the entire family [save my wife and I] follows his advice and masks. Am I missing something. I guess i always felt the mask had to help a little [maybe 15-20%] but not much. BTW the ER doc has NOT had Covid while his wife and 2 young children have had it.
Similar situation. My brother is Dermatologist so with patients all day. Wears a surgical mask and face shield daily with his patients (which since he is in Florida are a lot of high risk old people). He and his family (wife and young child) were on complete lockdown during 2020 and into 2021 until he and his wife were vaccinated. I mean basically no contact with outside world other than him going to work. Kids pulled out of pre-school. And then last summer when they were both vaccinated, they stayed in a modified lockdown because their child was not vaccinated (healthy child). They finally lightened up some this past school year and put him back in school but still minimized any outside contact as reasonably possible. They wore masks whenever outside the house up until we saw them this past February. We saw them again recently at the beach up North and they were no longer wearing masks outside, but they still are 'concerned' with Covid and are still not living 'normal' due to fear or Covid and long term issues.
 

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From a case standpoint, some countries are approaching previous high. Recognize that the USA data for instance is grossly underestimated on cases as most people now do home tests which are not reported. But UK has some more advanced data with random testing and self reporting via an app that has them approaching previous high in case counts. I doubt the UK is much different than most other countries, they just track better.

Hospitalizations are definitely NOT nearing previous spikes. For instance right now the current 7 day average for new hospital admissions (best data point in the USA to track a trend right now) is 5,118 per day. Previous spikes for Alpha, Delta, and Omicron are 16k, 13K, and 22K respectively. So we are well below those numbers. But as we are talking about cases and increased virulence, the new hospital admission was at 1,400 per day in early April, so you can see that since that time the curve has just gone up. When you look at the slope of the curve, it is about a 45 degree angle up that is not looking like a plateau has been reached. So more virulent is BA4/5 but all relative speaking we are nowhere near the Alpha and Delta wave or even the original Omicron spike.

For fatalities, since May 11 the fatality line is basically a straight line that hovers around 300 cases per day. And looking at who is dying, if you look at the chart since March 1st of this year, it is 95%+ 65 and over and 80% 75 and over. So basically the people dying right now at the current 300 per day based on the data that I can read without going really crazy into the nitty gritty details is people that are old with a very short life expectancy.
Life will have risks (for me too…I have gotten closer to the COVID “danger age”)…but life will (and should IMO) go on with some sense of normalcy. And numbers clearly bear that out (again, IMO).
 

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Similar situation. My brother is Dermatologist so with patients all day. Wears a surgical mask and face shield daily with his patients (which since he is in Florida are a lot of high risk old people). He and his family (wife and young child) were on complete lockdown during 2020 and into 2021 until he and his wife were vaccinated. I mean basically no contact with outside world other than him going to work. Kids pulled out of pre-school. And then last summer when they were both vaccinated, they stayed in a modified lockdown because their child was not vaccinated (healthy child). They finally lightened up some this past school year and put him back in school but still minimized any outside contact as reasonably possible. They wore masks whenever outside the house up until we saw them this past February. We saw them again recently at the beach up North and they were no longer wearing masks outside, but they still are 'concerned' with Covid and are still not living 'normal' due to fear or Covid and long term issues.
Not living life but to each her/his own…
 
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Similar situation. My brother is Dermatologist so with patients all day. Wears a surgical mask and face shield daily with his patients (which since he is in Florida are a lot of high risk old people). He and his family (wife and young child) were on complete lockdown during 2020 and into 2021 until he and his wife were vaccinated. I mean basically no contact with outside world other than him going to work. Kids pulled out of pre-school. And then last summer when they were both vaccinated, they stayed in a modified lockdown because their child was not vaccinated (healthy child). They finally lightened up some this past school year and put him back in school but still minimized any outside contact as reasonably possible. They wore masks whenever outside the house up until we saw them this past February. We saw them again recently at the beach up North and they were no longer wearing masks outside, but they still are 'concerned' with Covid and are still not living 'normal' due to fear or Covid and long term issues.
Is he concerned with monkey pox?
 

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Not living life but to each her/his own…
It baffles me the lack of scientific knowledge and critical thought throughout the medical field. I think maybe most doctors are good memorizers and rule followers or maybe just very pigeon holed in their field.

It's like the virologists that want everything shut down to bring the covid risk to a minimum (it doesn't, people holed up in large apartment complexes are at considerably more risk staying at home 24/7) while simultaneously not understanding all of the risks that they are increasing in so many other areas with the covid-only focus. It's like their brains can only operate with one independent variable and all else must be held constant or they short circuit.
 

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Army Cuts Off More Than 60K Unvaccinated Guard and Reserve Soldiers from Pay and Benefits


I just had a conversation where someone tried to tell me that no pilots or nurses lost their jobs due to refusing the Fauci Ouchie.
which at this point in the pandemic makes no sense. the vaccine no longer 'protects' others as it does not stop infection or transmission. so what is the point now to require vaccination considering that is the case. at least when the vaccine came out it did stop infection/transmission in 90%+ of people, so getting the vaccine could lead to herd immunity. but now, omicron has rendered the vaccine more a therapeutic than vaccine so makes zero sense to require it and even less sense to fire people in valuable positions because of it.

goes to show again....what is this about....POWER and CONTROL not science.
 

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It baffles me the lack of scientific knowledge and critical thought throughout the medical field. I think maybe most doctors are good memorizers and rule followers or maybe just very pigeon holed in their field.

It's like the virologists that want everything shut down to bring the covid risk to a minimum (it doesn't, people holed up in large apartment complexes are at considerably more risk staying at home 24/7) while simultaneously not understanding all of the risks that they are increasing in so many other areas with the covid-only focus. It's like their brains can only operate with one independent variable and all else must be held constant or they short circuit.
Agree.

I know this cuts against the grain of the narrative, but the medical field has failed during this crisis - especially the “political doctors” like Fauci…utterly failed.

It started with the transparent denials about the funny business going on in Wuhan…and the non-scientific based lock downs and cloth/paper masks, the partially failed vaccines, and the still ongoing fear porn.

Someone should be held accountable!
 

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Agree.

I know this cuts against the grain of the narrative, but the medical field has failed during this crisis - especially the “political doctors” like Fauci…utterly failed.

It started with the transparent denials about the funny business going on in Wuhan…and the non-scientific based lock downs and cloth/paper masks, the partially failed vaccines, and the still ongoing fear porn.

Someone should be held accountable!
I am highly critical of the decision by hospital administrators and doctors offices to shut down nearly all other functions during the lockdown phase of this

1) creating huge wait lists for surgeries and other procedures that increased risk for millions

2) destroying many major hospital revenue streams resulting in major layoffs of medical staff during a pandemic

3) building up millions of new and unnecessary dry tinder via not diagnosing or treating early heart disease and cancer

4) forcing vaccination of staff or firing them

5) severely restricting medical doctors in treatment protocols particularly in cases of doctors treating patients with anything that might expose the emergency use approval of the vaccines by providing a viable alternative treatment (no doubt many were lost because they were not allowed to treat with emerging alternatives to top down forced treatment protocols)

6) continuing to force covid patients to die alone without family

7) continuing to make people wear masks that have almost zero effectiveness (either use the n95 or let's stop pretending)

8) continuing limiting visitation for many hospitalized

9) no joke, limiting outside food brought in for visitation as part of the covid policy as if it were transmitted via food

You could go on and on but the point is that the medical community has made so many decisions that made things worse and continues to do so in some ways. It's like they had no one who actually understood science or could anticipate negative consequences of completely changing everything they do. And anyone who did understand that was silenced or let go. Now I know many medical professionals deserve to be thanked for enduring the chaos to continue care but I wish more were willing to come forward to voice concerns with the total upheaval of normal and established medical care practices.
 

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I am highly critical of the decision by hospital administrators and doctors offices to shut down nearly all other functions during the lockdown phase of this

1) creating huge wait lists for surgeries and other procedures that increased risk for millions

2) destroying many major hospital revenue streams resulting in major layoffs of medical staff during a pandemic

3) building up millions of new and unnecessary dry tinder via not diagnosing or treating early heart disease and cancer

4) forcing vaccination of staff or firing them

5) severely restricting medical doctors in treatment protocols particularly in cases of doctors treating patients with anything that might expose the emergency use approval of the vaccines by providing a viable alternative treatment (no doubt many were lost because they were not allowed to treat with emerging alternatives to top down forced treatment protocols)

6) continuing to force covid patients to die alone without family

7) continuing to make people wear masks that have almost zero effectiveness (either use the n95 or let's stop pretending)

8) continuing limiting visitation for many hospitalized

9) no joke, limiting outside food brought in for visitation as part of the covid policy as if it were transmitted via food

You could go on and on but the point is that the medical community has made so many decisions that made things worse and continues to do so in some ways. It's like they had no one who actually understood science or could anticipate negative consequences of completely changing everything they do. And anyone who did understand that was silenced or let go. Now I know many medical professionals deserve to be thanked for enduring the chaos to continue care but I wish more were willing to come forward to voice concerns with the total upheaval of normal and established medical care practices.
It was, and continues to be, shocking at how ill prepared our medical community was in the first six months. Even worse, post vaccine, it was clear the entire system was corrupt.

  1. Shaming anyone who dared say it was man-made
  2. Censoring anyone who said it was man-made
  3. ridiculous protocols like one-way shopping lanes and cloth masks
  4. shots for kids (all deaths "involving" covid are ~ 1,000 for ages 0-17)
  5. The playing with numbers to hide the fact that mortality is an issue of age and the statistics for side affects of the vaccines
  6. Ongoing cover-ups
I mean, honestly, we've lost ~ 1,000,000 in the USA and 6,350,000 worldwide (assuming the stats are anywhere near accurate) and we don't even have curiosity as to why. we've had more investigation into some crazy loon shooting up a 4th of July parade killing 9 than 6 million people dead.

I really have lost any faith in politicians, media, medical industry.....now more than ever, I feel like I am on my own and don't listen to any single source for information. I look at the best statistics I can find and make my own choices.
 

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And crazy enough, there are two people in our office who are now wearing masks when out in common areas. They are the two youngest people in our office, both late 20's/early 30's and both healthy. I want to ask them why they are wearing masks just to truly understand why but I know it will only somehow come back to bite me so it will remain in mystery.
And one of the guys wearing the mask just tested positive for Covid. At least when he told everybody in the office nobody freaked out like they would have 2 years ago. Now it is more like 'that suck, get better'.
 

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9) no joke, limiting outside food brought in for visitation as part of the covid policy as if it were transmitted via food
The war on coffee was particularly amusing. Wife is a nurse. Facility staff cafeteria disarmed the damn coffee pots and soda fountain. Any highway rest stop you went to, even the crappy coffee vending machines were "out of order." And of course every other urinal was taped off. Like overcrowding at the line of wee-wee is a problem anyway. Go into Sheetz and they wouldn't let you fill your mug, you had to order a coffee from the people behind the counter. Just complete insanity. But it saved millions of lives, no doubt. I bet half the world would be dead now if not for these idiotic policies. Where exactly was the science behind coffee being the dominant vector for covid? Here I thought it was wet market pangolins.
 

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this thread is for daily updates on vaccinations given per day in the USA, and discussion about that.

I'm separating this out from the COVID-19 Testing & Treatment thread that's been on the board for most of the pandemic in the hope that thread can continue to focus on COVID-19 testing & treatment, and this thread can focus on COVID-19 vaccinations in the USA.

And while this seems to be a challenge for some of you when discussing this subject, please do not bring politics into this thread.

This New ‘Ninja’ COVID Variant Is the Most Dangerous One Yet
 
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So we are having a catered lunch brought in for our office as we do every summer, some BBQ from Mission and some other local favorites. So we invite all the remote workers into the office as well as some of the key management and staff from our parent office that we interact with on a frequent basis. So two of those guys show up today from the other office and the younger guy, early 30's has a mask on. So we have 4 people now in our office wearing masks, all four of them are in their late 20' through late 30's in age, all healthy people. Nobody over 40 wearing a mask.

And if you ask them why, they really don't have much of an answer. So I don't catch Covid. And then when you push and throw a little science at them, it comes back that it doesn't bother me to wear it so why do you care. Scares me a little about our future.
 
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So we are having a catered lunch brought in for our office as we do every summer, some BBQ from Mission and some other local favorites. So we invite all the remote workers into the office as well as some of the key management and staff from our parent office that we interact with on a frequent basis. So two of those guys show up today from the other office and the younger guy, early 30's has a mask on. So we have 4 people now in our office wearing masks, all four of them are in their late 20' through late 30's in age, all healthy people. Nobody over 40 wearing a mask.

And if you ask them why, they really don't have much of an answer. So I don't catch Covid. And then when you push and throw a little science at them, it comes back that it doesn't bother me to wear it so why do you care. Scares me a little about our future.
I just say that I'm glad that we didn't have to fight the Axis powers in WW II with today's 20 and 30 year olds.
 

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So we are having a catered lunch brought in for our office as we do every summer, some BBQ from Mission and some other local favorites. So we invite all the remote workers into the office as well as some of the key management and staff from our parent office that we interact with on a frequent basis. So two of those guys show up today from the other office and the younger guy, early 30's has a mask on. So we have 4 people now in our office wearing masks, all four of them are in their late 20' through late 30's in age, all healthy people. Nobody over 40 wearing a mask.

And if you ask them why, they really don't have much of an answer. So I don't catch Covid. And then when you push and throw a little science at them, it comes back that it doesn't bother me to wear it so why do you care. Scares me a little about our future.
Yes, like when the Chinese decide the time is right…these healthy 20-something mask wearers will fold up like a cheap suit.
 

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So we are having a catered lunch brought in for our office as we do every summer, some BBQ from Mission and some other local favorites. So we invite all the remote workers into the office as well as some of the key management and staff from our parent office that we interact with on a frequent basis. So two of those guys show up today from the other office and the younger guy, early 30's has a mask on. So we have 4 people now in our office wearing masks, all four of them are in their late 20' through late 30's in age, all healthy people. Nobody over 40 wearing a mask.

And if you ask them why, they really don't have much of an answer. So I don't catch Covid. And then when you push and throw a little science at them, it comes back that it doesn't bother me to wear it so why do you care. Scares me a little about our future.
They prefer to be controlled rather than think independently and critically?
 
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They prefer to be controlled rather than think independently and critically?
I have older kids, late teens/early 20's. it scares me some how I am seeing this younger generation without a sort of 'FU' attitude that most younger generations have. There is so much more of a hive, socialist mentality that are looking to be led. Obviously this is not 99.9% of the generation, but a much, much larger percentage it seems than previous generations.
 
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So we are having a catered lunch brought in for our office as we do every summer, some BBQ from Mission and some other local favorites. So we invite all the remote workers into the office as well as some of the key management and staff from our parent office that we interact with on a frequent basis. So two of those guys show up today from the other office and the younger guy, early 30's has a mask on. So we have 4 people now in our office wearing masks, all four of them are in their late 20' through late 30's in age, all healthy people. Nobody over 40 wearing a mask.

And if you ask them why, they really don't have much of an answer. So I don't catch Covid. And then when you push and throw a little science at them, it comes back that it doesn't bother me to wear it so why do you care. Scares me a little about our future.
Did any of these individuals actually ever interact with people? For many, this is there new blankie.
 
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Did any of these individuals actually ever interact with people? For many, this is there new blankie.
in that sense, they are not shying away from contact and locking themselves in their office and never coming out. I can tell one guy gets a little nervous if anybody gets too close to him but he doesn't actually do anything about it like move away or ask you to step back.
 
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in that sense, they are not shying away from contact and locking themselves in their office and never coming out. I can tell one guy gets a little nervous if anybody gets too close to him but he doesn't actually do anything about it like move away or ask you to step back.
I just wondered if they were extreme introverts or just became that way and now have found solace in the mask.