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OK Experts, put down the boxing gloves and sort through this:

Tested Positive and got sick January 2021.
Got 1st shot March 2021.
Got 2nd shot April 2021.
Gave blood May 2021 and tested positive for the antibody. (Old Test= could only tell if you had virus)
Gave Blood November 2021 and tested negative for the antibody. (Old Test= Could only tell if you had virus)
Gave Blood Tuesday (January 2022) and tested positive again for the antibodies. (New test says it can detect antibodies from infection OR vaccination.)

My question is this: Has my vaccination lasted this long or have I had the virus in the past month??
 
OK Experts, put down the boxing gloves and sort through this:

Tested Positive and got sick January 2021.
Got 1st shot March 2021.
Got 2nd shot April 2021.
Gave blood May 2021 and tested positive for the antibody. (Old Test= could only tell if you had virus)
Gave Blood November 2021 and tested negative for the antibody. (Old Test= Could only tell if you had virus)
Gave Blood Tuesday (January 2022) and tested positive again for the antibodies. (New test says it can detect antibodies from infection OR vaccination.)

My question is this: Has my vaccination lasted this long or have I had the virus in the past month??
If you’re producing antibodies you had Covid at some point. You may have had it and never known. Some people remain asymptotic. I caught Covid April 2021. Tested positive for antibodies in July 2021 and January 2022.
 
If you’re producing antibodies you had Covid at some point. You may have had it and never known. Some people remain asymptotic. I caught Covid April 2021. Tested positive for antibodies in July 2021 and January 2022.
But the new antibody test just says you have antibodies from either virus or vaccine. Doesn't have a difference where the old antibody test just said if you had the antibodies from the virus only, not vaccine.
 
But the new antibody test just says you have antibodies from either virus or vaccine. Doesn't have a difference where the old antibody test just said if you had the antibodies from the virus only, not vaccine.
I don’t believe the antibody test can differentiate between the presence of antibodies from infection or the vaccine. At least that is what I took away from this source.
 
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I don’t believe the antibody test can differentiate between the presence of antibodies from infection or the vaccine. At least that is what I took away from this source.
Scroll to the bottom and click on New Antibody Test. Maybe I'm not explaining my situation correctly. Basically in November I tested Negative with the old test which only tested positive from the virus itself. Which means my natural immunity had worn off after about 10 months. My test the other day, which is the new test came back positive. However, the new test find the antibody from both virus or vaccine. So my question was asking if people thought the antibody was from my last shot in april OR did I have the virus since November 24, 2021?

 
Scroll to the bottom and click on New Antibody Test. Maybe I'm not explaining my situation correctly. Basically in November I tested Negative with the old test which only tested positive from the virus itself. Which means my natural immunity had worn off after about 10 months. My test the other day, which is the new test came back positive. However, the new test find the antibody from both virus or vaccine. So my question was asking if people thought the antibody was from my last shot in april OR did I have the virus since November 24, 2021?

Ah, I get it now.
 
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so yes this thread has just gotten out of control, but i will still post some stuff to try and keep some sanity.

The omicron spike I think we can hopefully say is on the downward. daily positives spiked at 806,000 on January 13 and are now on a hard curve down with now at 613,000 two weeks later, so 100k down per week the last two weeks. Hospitalizations are also now on the downward trend with hospital admissions on an even higher percentage downward trend. the fatality curve is still on it's upward trend at 2300 per day and based on history probably will spike next week. interesting to note that even though positives were 800k (and most likely well over a million due to at home testing) that I doubt we will come even close to the 3500 per day fatality numbers at this time last year when the daily positives were only 250k or 25% (in reality probably 15-20%) of this peak. So in summary, 4 to 6 times the positives and only 75% of the fatalies. So basically about 7 to 8 times less deadly then previous variants.

I am thinking that by end of February we are back to some pretty low numbers going into March when the weather starts to break and historically the numbers are low for a few months. Based on what I am seeing out there even now with more and more people just done with Covid, I think that this spring there will be a large push to return to normalcy as the numbers really start to dip. we also see that politically covid fear porn is no longer a winning issue such that politicians are not going to continue to push in most occasions for continued lockdowns and mandates as most people are not in favor of it. so fingers crossed that by April/May timeframe we really start to see this thing truly in the rearview mirror.
Great point about the dropping relative lethality!
 
so yes this thread has just gotten out of control, but i will still post some stuff to try and keep some sanity.

The omicron spike I think we can hopefully say is on the downward. daily positives spiked at 806,000 on January 13 and are now on a hard curve down with now at 613,000 two weeks later, so 100k down per week the last two weeks. Hospitalizations are also now on the downward trend with hospital admissions on an even higher percentage downward trend. the fatality curve is still on it's upward trend at 2300 per day and based on history probably will spike next week. interesting to note that even though positives were 800k (and most likely well over a million due to at home testing) that I doubt we will come even close to the 3500 per day fatality numbers at this time last year when the daily positives were only 250k or 25% (in reality probably 15-20%) of this peak. So in summary, 4 to 6 times the positives and only 75% of the fatalies. So basically about 7 to 8 times less deadly then previous variants.

I am thinking that by end of February we are back to some pretty low numbers going into March when the weather starts to break and historically the numbers are low for a few months. Based on what I am seeing out there even now with more and more people just done with Covid, I think that this spring there will be a large push to return to normalcy as the numbers really start to dip. we also see that politically covid fear porn is no longer a winning issue such that politicians are not going to continue to push in most occasions for continued lockdowns and mandates as most people are not in favor of it. so fingers crossed that by April/May timeframe we really start to see this thing truly in the rearview mirror.
Thanks for your continued posts. Despite the "contributions" of a handful of ignore worthy yo-yos, the thread has been a useful resource of information and discussion. You are a big reason for the positive part of the thread.

The Fairfax County (VA) government has case tracker that I follow daily, and the numbers have been interesting. Consistent with the information in your post, the case counts have been extremely high in the past month or so, but the hospitalizations and fatalities have stayed at rates similar to when we were seeing less than a hundred cases a day.
 
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Scroll to the bottom and click on New Antibody Test. Maybe I'm not explaining my situation correctly. Basically in November I tested Negative with the old test which only tested positive from the virus itself. Which means my natural immunity had worn off after about 10 months. My test the other day, which is the new test came back positive. However, the new test find the antibody from both virus or vaccine. So my question was asking if people thought the antibody was from my last shot in april OR did I have the virus since November 24, 2021?

Great question.
 
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OK Experts, put down the boxing gloves and sort through this:

Tested Positive and got sick January 2021.
Got 1st shot March 2021.
Got 2nd shot April 2021.
Gave blood May 2021 and tested positive for the antibody. (Old Test= could only tell if you had virus)
Gave Blood November 2021 and tested negative for the antibody. (Old Test= Could only tell if you had virus)
Gave Blood Tuesday (January 2022) and tested positive again for the antibodies. (New test says it can detect antibodies from infection OR vaccination.)

My question is this: Has my vaccination lasted this long or have I had the virus in the past month??
Sounds confusing. The vaccines tricks your body into making one of the spike proteins which your body then makes antibodies to that protein. So any antibody test could not differentiate between the vaccines or actual infection. Unless they are testing for antibodies to a different viral protein or structure.

There has even been some controversy about false positives for Covid because some test for the spike protein....which the vaccines trick your body into making.

Then you once tested negative then later on positive again. So either you had a false negative or were exposed to the virus again. Don’t know the percentage of false negatives of that test.
 
Scroll to the bottom and click on New Antibody Test. Maybe I'm not explaining my situation correctly. Basically in November I tested Negative with the old test which only tested positive from the virus itself. Which means my natural immunity had worn off after about 10 months. My test the other day, which is the new test came back positive. However, the new test find the antibody from both virus or vaccine. So my question was asking if people thought the antibody was from my last shot in april OR did I have the virus since November 24, 2021?


The old test looked for only one antibody, the nucleocapsid antibody, and will not detect vaccine spike antibodies. That antibody does wane with time and will not necessarily be detected months later, this does not mean that natural immunity is gone. Now there are tests that look for the nucleocapsid alone, the spike alone, or both together. Common/mainstream antibody testing does not typically test for T cells/B cells and other antibodies which play a role in immunity.

That's my story and I'm sticking to it!
 
Sounds confusing. The vaccines tricks your body into making one of the spike proteins which your body then makes antibodies to that protein. So any antibody test could not differentiate between the vaccines or actual infection. Unless they are testing for antibodies to a different viral protein or structure.

There has even been some controversy about false positives for Covid because some test for the spike protein....which the vaccines trick your body into making.

Then you once tested negative then later on positive again. So either you had a false negative or were exposed to the virus again. Don’t know the percentage of false negatives of that test.
Thank you.

We think I had it a few weeks ago because wife and daughter got sick the week after but son and I did not.

Certainly my 2nd shot isn't still giving me protection is it?
 
The old test looked for only one antibody, the nucleocapsid antibody, and will not detect vaccine spike antibodies. That antibody does wane with time and will not necessarily be detected months later, this does not mean that natural immunity is gone. Now there are tests that look for the nucleocapsid alone, the spike alone, or both together. Common/mainstream antibody testing does not typically test for T cells/B cells and other antibodies which play role in immunity.

That's my story and I'm sticking to it!
So I had it for a second time and didn't know it, right?
 
Thank you.

We think I had it a few weeks ago because wife and daughter got sick the week after but son and I did not.

Certainly my 2nd shot isn't still giving me protection is it?
Most likely is giving you some. A lower antibody titer but you would have T-cell and other immune responses. And if you did have a recent infection you should have a pretty stout immunity buildup.
 
Sounds confusing. The vaccines tricks your body into making one of the spike proteins which your body then makes antibodies to that protein. So any antibody test could not differentiate between the vaccines or actual infection. Unless they are testing for antibodies to a different viral protein or structure.

There has even been some controversy about false positives for Covid because some test for the spike protein....which the vaccines trick your body into making.

Then you once tested negative then later on positive again. So either you had a false negative or were exposed to the virus again. Don’t know the percentage of false negatives of that test.
I was tested in July 2021 for antibodies. The results say SARS-CoV-2 Ab IgG, value positive. The test I took in January 2022 had a value associated with positive results. The results say SARS-COV-2 Semi-Quant IgG Ab, value was 116.0 AU/mL. They obviously changed the way texting is done. But have yet to get any understanding on what the value means. My sister is a physician assistant. She was going to do some research.
 
I was tested in July 2021 for antibodies. The results say SARS-CoV-2 Ab IgG, value positive. The test I took in January 2022 had a value associated with positive results. The results say SARS-COV-2 Semi-Quant IgG Ab, value was 116.0 AU/mL. They obviously changed the way texting is done. But have yet to get any understanding on what the value means. My sister is a physician assistant. She was going to do some research.

There are dozens of different brands of tests approved under a EUA.

 
So I am in Vegas at a conference this week. about 70% are using masks in the casinos despite signs everywhere saying they are required. About 70% of those wearing are wearing cloth masks that the CDC said are next to worthless. Then, with Omicron, even the cloth masks are of questionable use.

Bottom line is that the participation is rapidly declining≥
The omicron variant behaves no differently with respect to mask effectiveness than any other variant.

Exactly the same aerosolized particle, residence time in air, etc.

They just floated that "with Omicron masks are virtually useless" thing out there for the sheeple.

The correct statement is: For the Covid virus, only N95 masks can work, and only if they're fitted properly. Of course, when you've been lying for years, it is best to break the lie to your supporters by making up stuff like "with Omicron".
 
Just said positive. Didn't specify.
from the little bit i can understand, antibodies wane over time. but the T-cells and B-cells are what stay around. these memory cells do the below (cut and pasted from google). so basically your immune system's way of not having to keep antibodies in your bloodstream for the remainder of your life but storing that virus information such that if comes again, that antibodies to fight the virus can immediately start to be produced. So i think you can test negative for the antibody but still basically have immunity as the T/B cells you have in your bloodstream but they are not being tested for. I think this is where the whole 'natural immunity wanes after a couple of months and therefore you are not protected so need to get vaxxed" came from when in reality, you immune system was just doing what it always does which is be efficient in the storage of information. Again, why i think that medical article that used this common immune response to call into question natural immunity was a hit piece as any medical doctor knew that not to be true.
  • Once you've been exposed to a virus, your body makes memory cells. If you're exposed to that same virus again, these cells recognize it. They tell your immune system to make antibodies against it.
 
I was in Vegas this week. Despite signs to wear masks, some intended to shame others to threaten, about 30% went not using masks indoors. I was in Vegas in November and it was 100% compliance.

i had a short conversation with an employee that was asking people to mask and I asked her if she was enforcing the use of better materials than cloth and she had no idea what I was talking about
i think i mentioned earlier but will say again in case some people missed it. i goto my son's swim and dive meets for high school. since in a school, masking is required. in late November and early December, I would say 10% with no masks, another 15-25% with masks on chin and the remaining 65-75% with regular masking. Late December and early January was basically 100% mask compliance. I went last week and was in utter shock. About 40% with no masks, maybe 50%. Not mask on chins, no mask at all. I say another 15-20% with mask on chins or hung around their ear. So talking like 2/3 of people basically not wearing a mask. It really pushed in my mind that people were basically fed up with masks considering everybody recognized that omicron doesn't care about masks and just said not wearing anymore. I also saw people who walked in with masks, saw that so many people were not wearing them and after sitting there for a 30 seconds to a minute, took them off. I actually felt good inside seeing so many people just stop wearing masks as it really made me believe that the general population is just done with it.

another side note. at a production facility today for a kick-off meeting for a project. i was notified by my contact at the plant that they have 100% masking policy while in the plant. so get to the guard shack and check in and mask on. my contact at the plant comes out and gets me and has a mask on (i have mine on). we walk into the main building and into conference room. i sit down, open my computer and trying to get on the wifi and having trouble so not paying much attention (typical issue with password and upper and lower case). a few people from the plant walk in. i ask where the coffee is and they send me downstairs. I get back and am just getting ready, again not paying attention with mask on. about 10 people in the room. so we start the meeting by the typical meet and greet which is the first time i really look around and see what is going on....I am the only person with a mask on. nobody else has one one. not on their chin, i don't even see any on the table except for the person who got me and brought me in as her's is sitting on the table next to her. so i take my mask off. when meeting ends, everybody walks out with no masks.
 
so yes this thread has just gotten out of control, but i will still post some stuff to try and keep some sanity.

The omicron spike I think we can hopefully say is on the downward. daily positives spiked at 806,000 on January 13 and are now on a hard curve down with now at 613,000 two weeks later, so 100k down per week the last two weeks. Hospitalizations are also now on the downward trend with hospital admissions on an even higher percentage downward trend. the fatality curve is still on it's upward trend at 2300 per day and based on history probably will spike next week. interesting to note that even though positives were 800k (and most likely well over a million due to at home testing) that I doubt we will come even close to the 3500 per day fatality numbers at this time last year when the daily positives were only 250k or 25% (in reality probably 15-20%) of this peak. So in summary, 4 to 6 times the positives and only 75% of the fatalies. So basically about 7 to 8 times less deadly then previous variants.

I am thinking that by end of February we are back to some pretty low numbers going into March when the weather starts to break and historically the numbers are low for a few months. Based on what I am seeing out there even now with more and more people just done with Covid, I think that this spring there will be a large push to return to normalcy as the numbers really start to dip. we also see that politically covid fear porn is no longer a winning issue such that politicians are not going to continue to push in most occasions for continued lockdowns and mandates as most people are not in favor of it. so fingers crossed that by April/May timeframe we really start to see this thing truly in the rearview mirror.
I had a business lunch at the Eat'n Park on Ohio River Boulevard today. The buffet is BACK BABY! Nobody gives a fuc# about this virus anymore.
 
I was tested in July 2021 for antibodies. The results say SARS-CoV-2 Ab IgG, value positive. The test I took in January 2022 had a value associated with positive results. The results say SARS-COV-2 Semi-Quant IgG Ab, value was 116.0 AU/mL. They obviously changed the way texting is done. But have yet to get any understanding on what the value means. My sister is a physician assistant. She was going to do some research.

How do you get a test like the one you had done?

Insurance cover it??

Antibodies test?
 
Reading comprehension problems:
"The rates in Table 14 should not be used as a measure of vaccine effectiveness due to unaccounted for biases and risk factors."

"Interpretation of data There is a large risk of misinterpretation of the data presented in this section due to the complexities of vaccination data. A blog post by the UK Health Security Agency (UKHSA), formerly Public Health England (PHE), provides a comprehensive explanation of the biases and potential areas for misinterpretation of such data. They state that a simple comparison of COVID-19 case rates in those who are vaccinated and unvaccinated should not be used to assess how effective a vaccine is in preventing serious health outcomes, because there are a number of differences between the groups, other than the vaccine itself, and these biases mean that you cannot use the rates to determine how well the vaccines work."
See page 34
I don't agree with that statement.

The fact that biases exist simply means that your calculation will be wrong by some amount. So, you can't differentiate between a calculated number of, for example, vaccine effectiveness of 85% and maybe the true number of 92%.

But the data is real and does tell us SOME things.

It could be that the timing of when a person contracted Covid doesn't fit the definition of "fully vaxxed" and so forth.

It could be that those who are unvaxxed and infected/recovered once have such strong natural immunity that they're really contributing to the count of uninfected, unvaxxed people, improving that number.

So, you have the bias of your own calculation, which you can more or less trust as long as you remember that there are errors, OR you can just trust what the government puts out. The problem is, the government misleads us until they can't do it any longer (lies about masks and using "since January 1st xxx of deaths have been unvaxxed").
 
I spoke with a friend of mine last night who is unvaccinated and got Covid two weeks ago. He became sick with a fever cough and sore throat. He said the sore throat was the worst of it. After he tested positive he called his doctor up to find out if he recommend anything to help with recovery. His doc advised him to take vitamin d, zinc and c and wrote a script for HCQ. I guess there are some practitioners out there that are writing it.
 
I have a DR friend who has posted on FB for months, his thoughts on covid. He is a pediatrician and is completely against mRNA in healthy kids. He posts facts and backs them up with links. Well he just got banned for this. Nothing in it is untrue. Why is FB so scared? There seems to be a massive push right now to silence anyone that doesn't follow the party line even though they are backed by facts. Welcome the Brandon's America.


You all know how I feel about the use of the novel, never before used in humans mRNA vaccines in healthy children. I have significant reservations, and would not advise their use in non-compromised, low-risk children. I'm not after high initial antibody levels and 95% efficacy numbers in children; I want vaccines that are known to be safe long-term. With a disease of such low risk in healthy children, we need vaccines of even lower risk.

So, I'm interested in the traditional vaccine models, and I've been awaiting the authorization of either recombinant protein or inactivated whole virus vaccines in our country - they are already in use in many other countries. One example of the latter technology is Covaxin, manufactured by the Indian company Bharat Biotech, a business partner of Ocugen, a Pennsylvania company. Its development has been funded by our NIH, and it has been licensed in 23 countries; the WHO issued an emergency use listing for it in November, 2021. It has been extensively used in India, including in children. India authorized it for use in the 2 to 18 year old age group earlier this month, and it is currently being given to the 15 to 18 year olds. It is given in a 2 dose series, 28 days apart, and recent studies have shown that a third dose 6 months later produced good protection against the omicron variant.

And...here's the fascinating news. Just earlier this week, I learned that Ocugen had filed a request for Emergency Use Authorization for Covaxin with our FDA...back in early November 2021...almost 3 months ago! And for kids 2 to 18 years old!

Wow! I couldn't believe it; we've been waiting for this, and the recombinant protein Novavax vaccine, for many months now. And this product is all ready to go, with complete filing data for immediate use in children - yet there is no word from the FDA. Why not?

Well, later that same day, I found out why not. I came across an interview Dr. Anthony Fauci, NIAID director and chief advisor to the President, had with NewsNation on 30 December 2021. He was specifically asked about Covaxin, and when it would be available. Here's his response:
"I am puzzled by that question. We have more vaccines than we need right now. We just need people to get vaccinated with the vaccines we have. We have what we need; we need to use it."
And, when pressed on the possible advantages of having an alternative model of vaccine, he responded:
"It's NOT an alternative. It's ANOTHER vaccine. We don't need another vaccine."

I mean, you really can't make this sort of stuff up. This kind of thinking is simply unbelievable. I mean, he's an expert in viruses and vaccines; he has to know that the inactivated whole virus vaccine model is VERY DIFFERENT than the mRNA model. It is a prime example of the previous classic vaccine model, as it allows the host's immune system to see the whole virus, yet not cause the disease. It doesn't conscript the cellular machinery of the host's normal somatic cells to make the foreign viral protein. I mean, to say that the Covavax is "just another vaccine" compared to the Pfizer mRNA vaccine is akin to the idiotic statement "It's just the flu!" when comparing the original Covid-19 virus to influenza. Both suggest a deficiency in understanding and sophistication.

Listen, I'm trying to be as balanced and unemotional as I can, but our national Covid-19 pointman has chosen to ignore natural immunity and, now, any vaccine options other than the mRNA vaccines. This is dangerous...and unacceptable.

God help us.
 

COVID-19 vaccines are very safe for kids​

“We know that they're extremely safe for kids and the side effect profiles are very similar in the 5 and up group as they are 16 and up,” which is similar to what “we saw with adults,” said Dr. Loethen. “So we know they're very safe and protect a lot of children, not only on the individual level, but also on the population level.”
 
I have a DR friend who has posted on FB for months, his thoughts on covid. He is a pediatrician and is completely against mRNA in healthy kids. He posts facts and backs them up with links. Well he just got banned for this. Nothing in it is untrue. Why is FB so scared? There seems to be a massive push right now to silence anyone that doesn't follow the party line even though they are backed by facts. Welcome the Brandon's America.


You all know how I feel about the use of the novel, never before used in humans mRNA vaccines in healthy children. I have significant reservations, and would not advise their use in non-compromised, low-risk children. I'm not after high initial antibody levels and 95% efficacy numbers in children; I want vaccines that are known to be safe long-term. With a disease of such low risk in healthy children, we need vaccines of even lower risk.

So, I'm interested in the traditional vaccine models, and I've been awaiting the authorization of either recombinant protein or inactivated whole virus vaccines in our country - they are already in use in many other countries. One example of the latter technology is Covaxin, manufactured by the Indian company Bharat Biotech, a business partner of Ocugen, a Pennsylvania company. Its development has been funded by our NIH, and it has been licensed in 23 countries; the WHO issued an emergency use listing for it in November, 2021. It has been extensively used in India, including in children. India authorized it for use in the 2 to 18 year old age group earlier this month, and it is currently being given to the 15 to 18 year olds. It is given in a 2 dose series, 28 days apart, and recent studies have shown that a third dose 6 months later produced good protection against the omicron variant.

And...here's the fascinating news. Just earlier this week, I learned that Ocugen had filed a request for Emergency Use Authorization for Covaxin with our FDA...back in early November 2021...almost 3 months ago! And for kids 2 to 18 years old!

Wow! I couldn't believe it; we've been waiting for this, and the recombinant protein Novavax vaccine, for many months now. And this product is all ready to go, with complete filing data for immediate use in children - yet there is no word from the FDA. Why not?

Well, later that same day, I found out why not. I came across an interview Dr. Anthony Fauci, NIAID director and chief advisor to the President, had with NewsNation on 30 December 2021. He was specifically asked about Covaxin, and when it would be available. Here's his response:
"I am puzzled by that question. We have more vaccines than we need right now. We just need people to get vaccinated with the vaccines we have. We have what we need; we need to use it."
And, when pressed on the possible advantages of having an alternative model of vaccine, he responded:
"It's NOT an alternative. It's ANOTHER vaccine. We don't need another vaccine."

I mean, you really can't make this sort of stuff up. This kind of thinking is simply unbelievable. I mean, he's an expert in viruses and vaccines; he has to know that the inactivated whole virus vaccine model is VERY DIFFERENT than the mRNA model. It is a prime example of the previous classic vaccine model, as it allows the host's immune system to see the whole virus, yet not cause the disease. It doesn't conscript the cellular machinery of the host's normal somatic cells to make the foreign viral protein. I mean, to say that the Covavax is "just another vaccine" compared to the Pfizer mRNA vaccine is akin to the idiotic statement "It's just the flu!" when comparing the original Covid-19 virus to influenza. Both suggest a deficiency in understanding and sophistication.

Listen, I'm trying to be as balanced and unemotional as I can, but our national Covid-19 pointman has chosen to ignore natural immunity and, now, any vaccine options other than the mRNA vaccines. This is dangerous...and unacceptable.

God help us.
If St Fauci said that he should be fired immediately. The current vaccines worked pretty good for the Alpha dog but Omicron flies right past it. Almost worthless now. We seriously need new and improved vaccines, especially ones that are more broadband like the one referenced above.
 
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COVID-19 vaccines are very safe for kids​

“We know that they're extremely safe for kids and the side effect profiles are very similar in the 5 and up group as they are 16 and up,” which is similar to what “we saw with adults,” said Dr. Loethen. “So we know they're very safe and protect a lot of children, not only on the individual level, but also on the population level.”
Doctor Loethen should have its license revoked, spreading disinformation like that.

It is known, without dispute, that vaccines do not protect on a population level very well at all, especially with Omicron.
 
If St Fauci said that he should be fired immediately. The current vaccines worked pretty good for the Alpha dog but Omicron flies right past it. Almost worthless now. We seriously need new and improved vaccines, especially ones that are more broadband like the one referenced above.
Careful. The current vaccines do seem to allow the immune system to respond earlier against Omicron.

Do they work to stop the spread - Hahahahaha, only sheeple believe that.

Do I STILL think that the vaccine is a good bet for older people - yes.
 
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If St Fauci said that he should be fired immediately. The current vaccines worked pretty good for the Alpha dog but Omicron flies right past it. Almost worthless now. We seriously need new and improved vaccines, especially ones that are more broadband like the one referenced above.
The contents of several more CDC/NIH emails came out last night regarding the suppression of counter opinions regarding Wuhan, mRNA, and several other issues that turned out to be correct. I suspect that, should anyone have suffered career setbacks as a result the CDC, NIH, Facebook, Youtube and Twitter could be sued. Might be a great class action opportunity for an enterprising lawyer out there.
 
I have a DR friend who has posted on FB for months, his thoughts on covid. He is a pediatrician and is completely against mRNA in healthy kids. He posts facts and backs them up with links. Well he just got banned for this. Nothing in it is untrue. Why is FB so scared? There seems to be a massive push right now to silence anyone that doesn't follow the party line even though they are backed by facts. Welcome the Brandon's America.


You all know how I feel about the use of the novel, never before used in humans mRNA vaccines in healthy children. I have significant reservations, and would not advise their use in non-compromised, low-risk children. I'm not after high initial antibody levels and 95% efficacy numbers in children; I want vaccines that are known to be safe long-term. With a disease of such low risk in healthy children, we need vaccines of even lower risk.

So, I'm interested in the traditional vaccine models, and I've been awaiting the authorization of either recombinant protein or inactivated whole virus vaccines in our country - they are already in use in many other countries. One example of the latter technology is Covaxin, manufactured by the Indian company Bharat Biotech, a business partner of Ocugen, a Pennsylvania company. Its development has been funded by our NIH, and it has been licensed in 23 countries; the WHO issued an emergency use listing for it in November, 2021. It has been extensively used in India, including in children. India authorized it for use in the 2 to 18 year old age group earlier this month, and it is currently being given to the 15 to 18 year olds. It is given in a 2 dose series, 28 days apart, and recent studies have shown that a third dose 6 months later produced good protection against the omicron variant.

And...here's the fascinating news. Just earlier this week, I learned that Ocugen had filed a request for Emergency Use Authorization for Covaxin with our FDA...back in early November 2021...almost 3 months ago! And for kids 2 to 18 years old!

Wow! I couldn't believe it; we've been waiting for this, and the recombinant protein Novavax vaccine, for many months now. And this product is all ready to go, with complete filing data for immediate use in children - yet there is no word from the FDA. Why not?

Well, later that same day, I found out why not. I came across an interview Dr. Anthony Fauci, NIAID director and chief advisor to the President, had with NewsNation on 30 December 2021. He was specifically asked about Covaxin, and when it would be available. Here's his response:
"I am puzzled by that question. We have more vaccines than we need right now. We just need people to get vaccinated with the vaccines we have. We have what we need; we need to use it."
And, when pressed on the possible advantages of having an alternative model of vaccine, he responded:
"It's NOT an alternative. It's ANOTHER vaccine. We don't need another vaccine."

I mean, you really can't make this sort of stuff up. This kind of thinking is simply unbelievable. I mean, he's an expert in viruses and vaccines; he has to know that the inactivated whole virus vaccine model is VERY DIFFERENT than the mRNA model. It is a prime example of the previous classic vaccine model, as it allows the host's immune system to see the whole virus, yet not cause the disease. It doesn't conscript the cellular machinery of the host's normal somatic cells to make the foreign viral protein. I mean, to say that the Covavax is "just another vaccine" compared to the Pfizer mRNA vaccine is akin to the idiotic statement "It's just the flu!" when comparing the original Covid-19 virus to influenza. Both suggest a deficiency in understanding and sophistication.

Listen, I'm trying to be as balanced and unemotional as I can, but our national Covid-19 pointman has chosen to ignore natural immunity and, now, any vaccine options other than the mRNA vaccines. This is dangerous...and unacceptable.

God help us.
And LaJolla Lion thinks this is funny. I’m sure his other 2 amigos (tgar, & the mad scientist) think it’s funny too. 🤦‍♂️😉
 

COVID-19 vaccines are very safe for kids​

“We know that they're extremely safe for kids and the side effect profiles are very similar in the 5 and up group as they are 16 and up,” which is similar to what “we saw with adults,” said Dr. Loethen. “So we know they're very safe and protect a lot of children, not only on the individual level, but also on the population level.”
Closing comments say the vaccines help prevent variants which probably isn’t true and may actually help variants prosper. For decades we have been told the overuse of antibiotics is leading to resistant strains making antibiotics far less effective or useless. The mechanism is that using antibiotics kills most bacteria but allows mutations to grow unchecked since they no longer have to compete with the original strains.

Likely the same with the vaccines. A person gets infected, the antibodies produced due to the vaccine kills older variants but not the new mutations. So the mutations grow and spread.

This why natural immunity is so critical. It makes it far less likely for a mutation to arise.
 
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Closing comments say the vaccines help prevent variants which probably isn’t true and may actually help variants prosper. For decades we have been told the overuse of antibiotics is leading to resistant strains making antibiotics far less effective or useless. The mechanism is that using antibiotics kills most bacteria but allows mutations to grow unchecked since they no longer have to compete with the original strains.

Likely the same with the vaccines. A person gets infected, the antibodies produced due tot he vaccine kills older variants but not the mutations. So the mutations grow and spread.

This why natural immunity is so critical. It makes far less likely for a mutation to arise.
Lol, ok Doc.
 
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Careful. The current vaccines do seem to allow the immune system to respond earlier against Omicron.

Do they work to stop the spread - Hahahahaha, only sheeple believe that.

Do I STILL think that the vaccine is a good bet for older people - yes.
He has said almost daily in his posts that the vulnerable should get it for any protection they can get. However why when anyone presents facts about the vaccines lack of efficacy does it trigger the left. And why is the US the only country that doesn't recognize natural immunity even when the CDC's own study said it was 2.5X better then the vaccine? We know that answer. Why does Fauci not want a traditional vaccine? We know that answer to! The Left always wants to silence voices while claiming thats what the right does.
 
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I don't agree with that statement.
First of all, I didn't make the statement; the authors of the report did. But as someone who writes similar reports in a different field, you always need to caveat your data to discourage people from using it in a way that is inappropriate. One of the big issues with empirical human health data is that it is not controlled. Even "controlled" clinical trials aren't really controlled (in the way that most scientists would define controlled). So there are a lot of underlying variables that are not taken into account in the raw data.
The fact that biases exist simply means that your calculation will be wrong by some amount. So, you can't differentiate between a calculated number of, for example, vaccine effectiveness of 85% and maybe the true number of 92%.
Or it could be a much larger amount depending on the amount of bias.
But the data is real and does tell us SOME things.
Agreed.
It could be that the timing of when a person contracted Covid doesn't fit the definition of "fully vaxxed" and so forth.
Possibly, yes.
It could be that those who are unvaxxed and infected/recovered once have such strong natural immunity that they're really contributing to the count of uninfected, unvaxxed people, improving that number.
Also, possible.
So, you have the bias of your own calculation, which you can more or less trust as long as you remember that there are errors, OR you can just trust what the government puts out. The problem is, the government misleads us until they can't do it any longer (lies about masks and using "since January 1st xxx of deaths have been unvaxxed").
Not trying to pick on you here, but please don't conflate government scientists with government policy makers. For example, mask mandates are a policy (and one that I, who am hugely pro-vaccine, was against from day one). When Fauci or CDC or a local government says "you have to wear masks" that is a policy decision, not a scientific statement. Government scientists (who make the scientific statements) are NOT lying to you.
 
And LaJolla Lion thinks this is funny. I’m sure his other 2 amigos (tgar, & the mad scientist) think it’s funny too. 🤦‍♂️😉
Ummmmm, all sorts of vaccines being created and tested, this one is on par with the two primary vaccines being distributed here.


When my physician says it’s time to get another shot I will. Be it the Indian / American vaccine or any other Omicron or across the board all encapsulating vaccine approved.

There are numerous articles on vaccinations and s distribution in India. What is fascinating is the universal acceptance without all of the tin foil hat conspiracy babble so prevalent here in the USA.
 
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The contents of several more CDC/NIH emails came out last night regarding the suppression of counter opinions regarding Wuhan, mRNA, and several other issues that turned out to be correct. I suspect that, should anyone have suffered career setbacks as a result the CDC, NIH, Facebook, Youtube and Twitter could be sued. Might be a great class action opportunity for an enterprising lawyer out there.
Had my yearly physical in mid December. Asked my Doctor about getting the booster jab (I had the J&J in June). She said there is no benefit for me getting the booster at all, as I have no comorbidities. She was in the original Moderna vaccine tests, and is part of the University of Texas antibody studies. She gets blood drawn and tested every week as part of the study. She is perplexed as she only shows the vaccine spike protein antibody, but none of the other ones (as does the other doctor in the practice). She lamented that she was hoping to show antibodies for all of the proteins, but hasn't.

I have tested negative 42 weeks in a row for work (and after a Jan 15th trip to Allentown where I went to a huge maskless wedding with many teachers present). Never tested for antibodies, but 99% certain that I had the original China Virus, as I was in China from Jan 4-16, 2020. While in Shanghai, I was pretty sick for 2 nights (massive night sweats), and a sore throat the entire trip. That was a few days after a trip to a die casting shop which is 60 miles east of Wuhan!!!.

Now, work is asking us to do a quick Covid test Sunday night (they just gave us 4 test kits each). If negative, we do the PCR test Monday at work. We have about 20 people in a 150k square foot building as everyone wants to work from home (but they get nothing done there). We must be fully masked while in the building as well. Now, work is asking us to get the booster because of the new CDC definition. This is totally crazy
 
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